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The War Z Pulled from Steam Amid Torrent of Complaints by Players

Steam issues a statement calling the game's release "a mistake."

I haven't really paid The War Z much consideration over the course of this year. It always looked to me like a crass capitalization of the success of the DayZ mod for ArmA II--which itself is getting its own full-fledged game release sometime in the future--and not much else. So perhaps this lack of initial interest is why I'm so taken aback at the crazy amount of backlash the game has received since its release earlier this week.

This is what The War Z is supposed to be. Apparently, it isn't that.
This is what The War Z is supposed to be. Apparently, it isn't that.

Much of that backlash seems to stem from either obfuscations of the truth, or outright lies tied to the zombie apocalypse survival game's initial product description on Steam. Developer Hammerpoint Interactive cites, among other things, up to 100 players supported per server, access to private servers, learnable character skills, and multiple maps spanning anywhere from 100 to 400 square kilometers. None of these things turned out to be true. In reality, servers were capped at 50 players, there was only one (considerably smaller than advertised) map in the game, and no skill trees whatsoever.

As of last night, Hammerpoint had altered the product's description to reflect something closer to reality, but amid an apparent onslaught of complaints from players who purchased the $15 game from Steam, Valve has pulled the game altogether, issuing a statement to Kotaku that referred to the game's release as "premature" and "a mistake."

From time to time a mistake can be made and one was made by prematurely issuing a copy of War Z for sale via Steam. We apologize for this and have temporary removed the sale offering of the title until we have time to work with the developer and have confidence in a new build. Those who purchase the game and wish to continue playing it via Steam may do so. Those who purchased the title via Steam and are unhappy with what they received may seek a refund by creating a ticket at our support site here.

Hammerpoint boss Sergey Titov has been defending his game in a variety of interviews, including a particularly stand-offish conversation with GameSpy's Dan Stapleton, telling him that only a small percentage of players were complaining about the game's quality, while defending the original product descriptions. In a thread on The War Z's forums, Titov essentially chalked up the response to Day Z fanboys (his words, not mine) bitter about The War Z's existence.

Titov has since responded to Valve's statement on the matter, telling Kotaku, "We're making sure that our Store page is 100% correct this is why. Bottom line – our end goal is to have satisfied and not angry customers, so this is more important for us than everything else."

Titov, it's worth noting, has something of a checkered history in the game industry. He's credited on a number of different games, including the original Gears of War and League of Legends, but he's also purportedly the brain behind Stellar Stone, the sort-of-developer of Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing, otherwise known as the worst goddamn game ever made.

I don't know if Titov is a snake oil salesman or just supremely misguided in his understanding of how game development ought to work--I have a guess, but probably oughtn't share it here--but whatever the case, the damage seems to be done. Whether or not The War Z ever lives up to its original promises is largely irrelevant, and if the game ever does come back to Steam, it's hard to imagine players flocking to a game that's received such a critical drubbing both in the press and by its own players.

For what it's worth, if The War Z does end up back on Steam, I'll definitely check it out and report back on just what the hell is going on with this thing.

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The game obviously was in Beta, they should've treated it as such with a proper Store page warning the consumers that what was given wasn't even close to what is being promised. Shame it slipped through Stream, shame the Developer sought no need to warn it's potential fans.

@Buckaroosamurai:

I honestly wonder about all of your comments considering the last paragraph written...

Hacking for FPS games has been the norm for PC gamers for ages now. Stating that it is because people dislike the game is petty and makes me wonder your motives. Especially considering the article "One Shot, One Kill, No Skill" which is clear on trying to figure WHY people hack.

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@Buckaroosamurai:

I don't think you're providing enough background information on the things you are saying, and as such, trying to spin what has occured in a different direction. From the beginning Sergey has been pretending the War Z was made before Day Z, promoting his game by disparaging Day Z continually. Even going so far as to create multiple sockpuppet accounts on the Day Z forum to promote it. The fact that it was so mind-numbingly obvious that this game was not in development years before Day Z, and was simply a cheap mod of War INC hurried to market to captialize on Rocket's success, was also a large part of the negativity felt toward War Z.

As for Devin, the former War Z forum mod, that incident only occured recently. And was a very minor one at that, contrary to what you stated. It didn't "turn out" he was disgruntled, It was known he had been banned, and had his privileges taken away. Sergey, the PR dunce that he is, had embroiled himself in a public war with a youtuber who made a negative video on War Z. Devin specifically went to that youtubers blog page, to try and entice him to make a video on his obvious nonsense. That's where the post originated. The youtuber didn't fall for it, and most other people didn't fall for it either.

The game itself is exactly what you would expect from a mediocre CoD clone repurposed to be a "zombie survival MMO". With a 50 player cap it's hardly an MMO. And when you can buy food/water/medicine when ever you need it, it's hardly a survival game.

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What is the name "The War Z" even supposed to mean, other than being shockingly close to "World War Z?" This game seems like it's in the same category as Transmorphers or Rock Revolution, and other shit products designed to confuse idiots and grandparents.

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Hahaha I thought Patrick wrote this until I read the words BIG RIGS, then I knew it was Alex.

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You don't know the half of it until you watch it being played, it will SHOCK you.

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the fact that this was made by the guy behind Big Rigs is just too perfect. I wish I'd known that earlier. could have told my friends not to buy this piece of shit.

(I say my friends because I can't run this game myself. it has the highest minimum system requirements I've ever seen, I think)

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well played valve

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@crusader8463 said:

Good to see Valve supporting the consumers.

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@Buckaroosamurai said:

Hey ,

So far this is some of the better reporting I've seen on this incident. I have a feeling that WarZ woes is a two way street. There has been what appear to be a lot of dodgy dealings by this developer when it comes to saying whats in the game, however there has been a lot of slanderous outright lies spread about this game. Specifically an instance where a forum mod (who was eventually dismissed from that position) claimed to know the inner workings of what was going on, and how it was all a giant scam. It turned out he was a disgruntled mod who had no knowledge of anything other than what goes on in forums and actually playing the game and was essentially committing slander. He retracted all his statements as I am guessing he was facing legal action.

The reddit community at r/games however ate it up with almost no fact-checking or questioning, and those that did were in an extreme minority. Lots of vitriol even before the game was released to 'steam' that basically boiled down to people not liking the F2P model and complaining about stuff not being in the game when it was in beta. Also complaining about charging for a game in beta, which was funny considering there are tons of games doing this right now, Don't Starve for instance which is a great game but still being worked on. It also appears that a lot of DayZ fans have either been spreading outright lies or at least are the ones with the most vitriol about the game. I've seen legitimate commentors that get ranted on and slammed just because they don't see what all the fuss is about and actually enjoy the game. It really seems like a vocal minority/and some bad decisions by the developer are tainting this game more than anything else.

On a side note just because he made one of the worst games ever really says nothing about him as a developer. Look at Howard Scott Mcgrew who was one of the godfathers of gaming creating Yar's Revenge, he also created E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial probably and most famously the worst game ever made.

Would really like to see some real hard info on what is going on with this game. Would like to see someone with hopefully no knowledge of any of this stuff play the game and see if they like it. So far people's perception of the game seem so tainted by preconceived notions or biases that the game isn't really being evaluated fairly. Yeah those features weren't there, but how much does it matter, and it was dodgy to sell the game on those merits, but is the game fun with what it is or at least do people seem to be enjoying themselves.

Another example of bad behavior on the gamers end is that some of the people who do not like or really hate the game have decided to hack it and do their best to make other player's experiences bad. This is a bad sign on the developer side that their game is so easily hacked, but it is a stark example of the immaturity and pettiness of some gamers. If you don't like a game fine, if you feel like you got ripped off try and get a refund, but don't try and actively make other gamers experience miserable because you are. Oh wait I'm talking about the gaming community where griefing is a thing.

This is a great comment. Thank you for taking the time to write it and being a better part of the Giant Bomb community!

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I bought it for $15, was I expecting it to be great? No. Was I disappointed? No. Tempted to get a refund just for the sake of getting a Steam refund but whatever I'll just hold onto it as a reminder of how dumb this game is. Never know, maybe they will improve it but i doubt it. Definitely appreciate Vales stance on this and do think the Devs should have been more upfront about release content. Ah well.

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@PosableActionFigure said:

@Djnuttty said:

Crazy.

Cray Z

Cray cray

Z Z
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@Buckaroosamurai said:

Hey ,

So far this is some of the better reporting I've seen on this incident. I have a feeling that WarZ woes is a two way street. There has been what appear to be a lot of dodgy dealings by this developer when it comes to saying whats in the game, however there has been a lot of slanderous outright lies spread about this game. Specifically an instance where a forum mod (who was eventually dismissed from that position) claimed to know the inner workings of what was going on, and how it was all a giant scam. It turned out he was a disgruntled mod who had no knowledge of anything other than what goes on in forums and actually playing the game and was essentially committing slander. He retracted all his statements as I am guessing he was facing legal action.

The reddit community at r/games however ate it up with almost no fact-checking or questioning, and those that did were in an extreme minority. Lots of vitriol even before the game was released to 'steam' that basically boiled down to people not liking the F2P model and complaining about stuff not being in the game when it was in beta. Also complaining about charging for a game in beta, which was funny considering there are tons of games doing this right now, Don't Starve for instance which is a great game but still being worked on. It also appears that a lot of DayZ fans have either been spreading outright lies or at least are the ones with the most vitriol about the game. I've seen legitimate commentors that get ranted on and slammed just because they don't see what all the fuss is about and actually enjoy the game. It really seems like a vocal minority/and some bad decisions by the developer are tainting this game more than anything else.

On a side note just because he made one of the worst games ever really says nothing about him as a developer. Look at Howard Scott Mcgrew who was one of the godfathers of gaming creating Yar's Revenge, he also created E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial probably and most famously the worst game ever made.

Would really like to see some real hard info on what is going on with this game. Would like to see someone with hopefully no knowledge of any of this stuff play the game and see if they like it. So far people's perception of the game seem so tainted by preconceived notions or biases that the game isn't really being evaluated fairly. Yeah those features weren't there, but how much does it matter, and it was dodgy to sell the game on those merits, but is the game fun with what it is or at least do people seem to be enjoying themselves.

Another example of bad behavior on the gamers end is that some of the people who do not like or really hate the game have decided to hack it and do their best to make other player's experiences bad. This is a bad sign on the developer side that their game is so easily hacked, but it is a stark example of the immaturity and pettiness of some gamers. If you don't like a game fine, if you feel like you got ripped off try and get a refund, but don't try and actively make other gamers experience miserable because you are. Oh wait I'm talking about the gaming community where griefing is a thing.

If only we could end every conversation about the game with this comment

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Got my money back. Going to stick with Day-Z from here on out.

Got so pissed of when they updated the game yesterday, you see when you die with your character you had to wait 1 hour before you could play again (on that character. You are limited to 5), then they changed it... to 4 hours. Unless you give them money for an instant revive.

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Has nobody really posted this yet?

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@buft said:

I thought The War Z was the standalone version of Day Z for Arma, i was fairly misinformed, admittedly through faults of my own rather than anyone over at Hammerpoint but from what I read the game had some fairly stinking micro transactions like buying a revive or waiting four hours for a free one which they increased from 1 hour some time ago and that Early adapters to the alpha paid more for the privilege.

I heard a few people saying this - Ordinarily I would be saying "do your research", but this is such a direct rip-off right down to the name that I understand why people might make that mistake. Still, it's worrying to see how many people threw their money down on it purely from what the devs promised on the page - because almost any media coverage I've seen has been negative.

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@Bunny_Fire said:

as for Day Z releasing a alpha build with a heverly exaggerated description of what you can do in the game and what the game is capable of. Just says to me not to ever touch that game.

A fine example of how a poorly-thought, poorly-developed cashgrab that rips-off another well-known game can cause market confusion.

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@Kornnugget said:

Good on Steam for issuing refunds. The game might have been a releasable low budget game, but it was mis-advertised and the screen shots were not actual game footage. They should have been honest about the current state of the game with actual game play screen shots and stated that the game was in Beta. Steam should do the same thing for TOWNS.

Hey .. hey ... hey ... hey but they didn't lie!!! zomigosh guys you should all know what 'foundation' release means!

God if you don't want a game thats in 'foundation' then don't buy a game thats in 'foundation' gawd.

::EDIT:: If you can't see through the /sarcasm, apparently they stated that it was in 'foundation' state or something. That was their defense, its not in beta its in 'foundation' or whatever.

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"oughtn't" ? seriously? is Alex trying to broaden his vocabulary or something?

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The power of the Internet! I just love shit storms!

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I wasn't even aware of this game's existence until I started hearing about all the negativity and outrage from the playerbase. Good grief. I will be staying as far away as possible from this trainwreck.

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@Buckaroosamurai: In retrospect, it actually looks like everything that mod said is true.

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the War z crew has nothing to do with Day z crew but, war z was trying to release there game first so that they can get a chunk of mun then run for the hills before Dayz stand alone game appears. The main problem with War z is most of the people hack in the game and, the people who make this game never punished hacking until it was to late if they were to ban players for hacking the bulk of there player base would vanish.

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@George_Hukas said:

GOTY

We've only seen 2/10th of this decade's game releases, but I am confident in declaring WarZ GOTD.

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@PosableActionFigure said:

@Djnuttty said:

Crazy.

Cray Z

Cray cray

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Good on Steam for issuing refunds. The game might have been a releasable low budget game, but it was mis-advertised and the screen shots were not actual game footage. They should have been honest about the current state of the game with actual game play screen shots and stated that the game was in Beta. Steam should do the same thing for TOWNS.

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Hey ,

So far this is some of the better reporting I've seen on this incident. I have a feeling that WarZ woes is a two way street. There has been what appear to be a lot of dodgy dealings by this developer when it comes to saying whats in the game, however there has been a lot of slanderous outright lies spread about this game. Specifically an instance where a forum mod (who was eventually dismissed from that position) claimed to know the inner workings of what was going on, and how it was all a giant scam. It turned out he was a disgruntled mod who had no knowledge of anything other than what goes on in forums and actually playing the game and was essentially committing slander. He retracted all his statements as I am guessing he was facing legal action.

The reddit community at r/games however ate it up with almost no fact-checking or questioning, and those that did were in an extreme minority. Lots of vitriol even before the game was released to 'steam' that basically boiled down to people not liking the F2P model and complaining about stuff not being in the game when it was in beta. Also complaining about charging for a game in beta, which was funny considering there are tons of games doing this right now, Don't Starve for instance which is a great game but still being worked on. It also appears that a lot of DayZ fans have either been spreading outright lies or at least are the ones with the most vitriol about the game. I've seen legitimate commentors that get ranted on and slammed just because they don't see what all the fuss is about and actually enjoy the game. It really seems like a vocal minority/and some bad decisions by the developer are tainting this game more than anything else.

On a side note just because he made one of the worst games ever really says nothing about him as a developer. Look at Howard Scott Mcgrew who was one of the godfathers of gaming creating Yar's Revenge, he also created E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial probably and most famously the worst game ever made.

Would really like to see some real hard info on what is going on with this game. Would like to see someone with hopefully no knowledge of any of this stuff play the game and see if they like it. So far people's perception of the game seem so tainted by preconceived notions or biases that the game isn't really being evaluated fairly. Yeah those features weren't there, but how much does it matter, and it was dodgy to sell the game on those merits, but is the game fun with what it is or at least do people seem to be enjoying themselves.

Another example of bad behavior on the gamers end is that some of the people who do not like or really hate the game have decided to hack it and do their best to make other player's experiences bad. This is a bad sign on the developer side that their game is so easily hacked, but it is a stark example of the immaturity and pettiness of some gamers. If you don't like a game fine, if you feel like you got ripped off try and get a refund, but don't try and actively make other gamers experience miserable because you are. Oh wait I'm talking about the gaming community where griefing is a thing.

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@vinsanityv22 said:

I don't care. I DON'T CARE! Zombies are stupid, and I'm sick of them plaguing film, books and video games. People who are into them are idiots and no one should be able to blame a company for taking advantage of people dumb enough to see the word, "Zombie" on any old item and proceed to throw their money away to nab said item? Screw those morons; this developer is a hero. Those people are stupid and stupid people shouldn't have money. The only people who have ever done ANYTHING interesting with zombies is Telltale - every one else, and every other zombie product, can suck it.

Someone had a chip on their shoulder. There's nothing wrong with zombies when they're handled well, DayZ and Left 4 Dead are proof of this. If you think people deserved to be financially screwed over for having different tastes to you then that's just malicious.

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GOTY

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Poor Alex. The shadow of Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing still looms over him.

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@TrueEnglishGent said:

While I'm glad they've taken this action, it's taken Valve long enough to do this. The fact that it was the number one seller on Steam baffles me to no end, who was buying this with all the crap surrounding it?

People who frequent gaming sites that would post news about this game are in the minority of gamers, even PC gamers. Most people thought it just looked cool and jumped on it.

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despite the crap nature of the game and the incredebly shady nature of the developers, this game sold like hotcakes. Its obvious from everything (except the faked screenshots) that this game is absolutely horrid and worse than the free mod dayz in virtually every aspect. Yet people bought it anyways, a $15 game full of hackers and microtransactions. The only conclusion I can draw here is that people are generally not as smart as I try to give them credit for.

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I don't care. I DON'T CARE! Zombies are stupid, and I'm sick of them plaguing film, books and video games. People who are into them are idiots and no one should be able to blame a company for taking advantage of people dumb enough to see the word, "Zombie" on any old item and proceed to throw their money away to nab said item? Screw those morons; this developer is a hero. Those people are stupid and stupid people shouldn't have money. The only people who have ever done ANYTHING interesting with zombies is Telltale - every one else, and every other zombie product, can suck it.

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@geirr said:

@Alex

Looking forward to Big Rigs Z, eh?

Big RigZ

BigZ RigZ
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@geirr said:

@Alex

Looking forward to Big Rigs Z, eh?

Big RigZ

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@geirr:big rigZ

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@Alex

Looking forward to Big Rigs Z, eh?

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I wonder if they can even show their game again on steam. Wonder if they can recover.

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I can't believe Alex is talking about Big Rigs again. I watched the video review last night again, absolutely one of the greates videos ever made.

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the fact that alex wrote this, and referenced the fact the guy worked on big rigs tickles me.

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That interview was bizarre. Denying false advertising and instead claiming players "didn't read carefully enough."

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I think at this point that anything which prompts Alex to think back to Big Rigs should be rendered a war crime. And considering taking a look at this new piece of shit? Either the man suffers for his art, or he has Stockholm syndrome.

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Only a tiny bit disappointed you didn't link to the youtube video of your big rigs ... um... blue period(?) 
 
Anyway, for reals though, I don't know if this guy is a scam or just inept but I found no shock in all the complaints coming out of this. The only disappointment to me is people are raising such complaints now.  
 
Although, the fact that this one in particular seems shady at least helps me understand why. 

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@Subjugation said:

@fisk0: I absolutely bet it was. It would fit right in with the scumminess of the whole situation. I read that they actually hid a DayZ tag in their Steam page so it would pull up when you search for DayZ, but I haven't been to reproduce it myself. The closeness of the name is easily enough to cause confusion for someone who doesn't follow these things closely.

Yeah, especially since the DayZ developers announced they would do a stand alone (retail?) release. I wonder if this may also negatively affect the DayZ release, if and when this starts reaching a broader audience (Forbes picked up on it), and people think DayZ is just War Z re-released under a new name.

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@Droop said:

"oughtn't"

It's a word.

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@fisk0: I absolutely bet it was. It would fit right in with the scumminess of the whole situation. I read that they actually hid a DayZ tag in their Steam page so it would pull up when you search for DayZ, but I haven't been to reproduce it myself. The closeness of the name is easily enough to cause confusion for someone who doesn't follow these things closely.

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It looked awful from the start, to be fair.

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@jozzy said:

@johnbakosh said:

Proof #infinite that Valve is the Greatest

If they were the greatest they would've screened the game before release, or would've just known about the controversy because they are game enthusiasts and the controversy was there months ago. Now it's just a company that made a stupid mistake but responded in the best way possible.

Apparently if a developer/publisher has already published something on Steam, their next release doesn't have to go through as lengthy a certification process (if any), and apart from that, Valve doesn't do a very strict certification, they allow beta (or even pre-beta) builds to be submitted and approved. I don't know exactly what they look for, but they probably allow games with issues that can reasonably be expected to have been fixed before release to pass cert. At least that's how they described the process on their old site for submitting games, before they launched Greenlight.

And it seems like The War Z, unlike Big Rigs, is actually playable. It may be mediocre or bad, but it has collision detection and sound effects, even rudimentary AI and online functionality. The cause of the negative reactions were the blatant lies and misinformation on the Store page, and the last minute addition of microtransactions.

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One of the worst things about this for me is that shady junk like this has no problems getting on Steam, but great and legitimate games like SPAZ and Gemini Rue had to go through hell to get on. And even though Wadjet Eye (Gemini Rue and Resonance) had a working relationship with Steam they still had to go through Greenlight for their latest game Primordia. I really hope Valve is seeing all the bad publicity surrounding this stuff and changing their game certifying priorities up.

Also, Big Rigs. Everything about this game makes so much sense now.

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@Subjugation said:

@Bunny_Fire: WarZ ≠ DayZ

You got your games mixed up. WarZ is the one in trouble, not DayZ.

My guess would be the choice of name and the market confusion it causes was very much deliberate.