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Unsurprisingly, George 'GeoHot' Hotz has Some Thoughts About this Whole PSN Hacking Thing

The kid who cracked the PlayStation 3's security is not shocked to learn someone else hacked the PlayStation Network.

As the news blogs and social media feeds continue to swell to the point of bursting with vitriolic, sarcastic, and generally unkind words regarding the compromising of the PlayStation Network and the bona fide communications catastrophe that has since followed, we of The Internet have waited with bated breath for words from George "GeoHot" Hotz, that lovable, firmware-hacking rapscallion whose fairly public and unpleasant legal battle with Sony over said PS3 hackery more or less set off all this nonsense.

 Hackers, meet your bed-headed messiah.
 Hackers, meet your bed-headed messiah.
Now, Hotz's deepest, most personal thoughts have come down from on high (via his blog), and perhaps unsurprisingly, he sees this issue as primarily the fault of Sony executives and their particular brand of hubris in dealing with the hacker community at large.

"The fault lies with the executives," wrote Hotz, "who declared a war on hackers, laughed at the idea of people penetrating the fortress that once was Sony, whined incessantly about piracy, and kept hiring more lawyers when they really needed to hire good security experts. Alienating the hacker community is not a good idea."

On the subject of the current issue and its ramifications for the personal identities of a whole bunch of PlayStation 3 owners, Hotz expressed a sort of defiant sympathy. "Running homebrew and exploring security on your devices is cool, hacking into someone elses server and stealing databases of user info is not cool. You make the hacking community look bad, even if it is aimed at douches like Sony."

== TEASER ==Hotz, who recently settled his civil suit with Sony over his hacked firmware chicanery, also distanced himself directly from the whole episode. "I'm not crazy, and would prefer to not have the FBI knocking on my door," he stated. Anonymous, the Super Mega Awesome Hacking Club who previously responded to Sony's legal chest-beating by threatening to use Sony executives' personal email addresses to sign up for Craigslist erotic service ads, have also claimed to not be directly involved in this personal info thievery.

Hotz closed with a message to the hackers involved in the PSN breach, imploring them not to be "dicks" and referring to Sony as "noobs" without a hint of identifiable irony.

"To the perpetrator, two things. You are clearly talented and will have plenty of money(or a jail sentence and bankruptcy) coming to you in the future. Don't be a dick and sell people's information. And I'd love to see a write up on how it all went down...lord knows we'll never get that from Sony, noobs probably had the password set to '4' or something. I mean, at least it was randomly generated."
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I always had a affinity for Hackers I dunno why, but this is all on Sony, it's like a bank that leaves it vault doors open and then gets robbed and all their costumers money are gone, yes the Bank robbers were the ones taking it but the clear incompetence of the bank is surely at fault here aswell.

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Password was 1...2...3...4...5...


"12345? that's a kind of password that some idiot would put on his luggage!"
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ZeroCool this kid Isn't.

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@Hailinel said:
" He actually uses "noob" without irony in a context unrelated to the Mortal Kombat character?Does he ever leave his basement when either not present in court or running around South America? "
This^

You'd almost want guys like him to be sent to jail for a few years to bring them crashing back into reality. 
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Geeks vs Nerds ... no one wins (it's the meek you have to watch out for apparently).

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this guy is fucking awesome 

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Yep, still hate this total twat. 

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@CL60 said:
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                @ryanwho said:
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                    @CL60 said:
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                    @ComradeKhan said:
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                    @Krakn3Dfx said:
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                It's too bad one of the stipulations in the settlement wasn't that George Hotz would stop talking.
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BOOM!.. Thank you sir, we're all done here.

                   

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No we're not, because I still need an explanation on how he is being annoying or a dick, by pointing out the obvious, and pointing out how the guys that did this are dicks.

                   

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CL stop being a gadfly.

                   

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Yeah, I'm the one being annoying. Not the people in this thread consistently posting 3 word responses after they clearly did not even read what Geohotz said. Or read it and failed to comprehend anything he said.
            "


You and I have both been a part of the Giantbomb forums since Giantbomb was born (I was previously known as crusnchill).

 

I remember reading a few of your 3-4 worded outburst comments about Bobby Kotick, whilst unrelated to this matter in context this still stands, even though Bobby made it clear through statements to the press, and the through them to the public, so too does GeoHotz state to the public through his blog, that he is against such and such a thing or simply wants people to understand him, you simply responded to the articles about Bobby Kotick saying basically that "He's still a dick", even though he'd defended himself and his comments on the Activision workplace quite well.

 

Even though Kotick had specifically explained his angle and why he'd said the things he'd said.

 

And now, here you are text-shouting at everybody that nobody has actually read into what Geohotz is saying and that leaving 3 word comments simply exacerbates the problem of misunderstanding this whole sitaution. Maybe take a step back and chill, the foot is simply on the other and you're the one being rather over-sensitive to this issue, almost like you have a vested interest in the hacking community.

 

So I ask you; Are you a hacker too? Or do you simply follow that community quite closely?

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@MooseyMcMan said:
" At least this Hotz fellow realizes that it's "not cool" to steal credit card info and stuff. I guess not all hackers are completely bad. But they're all at least mostly bad.  "
I second this, I still dislike him but at least he doesn't want to try to take my money and personal info.
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@Daroki said:
" @pornstorestiffi said:
" Some one needs to hire him!!!! no, just no... some one needs to kick his face in. Thats pretty much all there is to it.
"
God, please let that person be Dana White.  I'd pay good money to watch Jon Jones get his hands on him. 

Geohot:  But I'm not 204 pounds!

Ok, maybe Jose Aldo instead, but only if they reallow kicks to the head of a downed opponent.
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HURR HURR DUMB GUY MAKE VIOLENCE JOKE HURR HURR DAT FUNNY!
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I like George.

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@KaosAngel said:
" Before some dumbass says George was responsible for what happened to PSN, George only does hardware.  Network hacking requires advance knowledge of encryption and cryptology, both of which George has stated he cannot do.  People who do network hacking are some of the smartest people in the world, and make a very rate percent of the population.  

People who did this are the ones who go to DEFCON every year, post on the PartyVan IRC, and are constantly tracked by the FBI and NSA in the hopes the hacker fucks up, so the government can make a deal to work for them to drop charges or bail them out.

Hardware breaking =/= Network Cryptology 

George had NOTHING to do with PSN, he doesn't have the brains for it.
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Every goddamn thread...
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Did anyone else see the claims that Sony are actually data-mining more information about their users than their EULA gives them right to?

And if someone points out some obscure wording in the EULA that might allow for such a thing then it just means that the EULA is in violation to privacy laws in some countries - those laws trump EULA agreements.

(Same claims have been brought forward on Apple, Google and Microsoft though.)
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My Personal stunner from the comments section.

  Sony got as they deserved, the only bad thing is the credit card information shared. 

Let us pray this invidual has been neutered to save future generations from his 'stoopid gene'.

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 To the perpetrator, two things. You are clearly talented and will have plenty of money(or a jail sentence and bankruptcy) coming to you in the future. Don't be a dick and sell people's information.

Hey bro, don't sell any of those 2.2 million credit cards that may/or may not, have been stolen.

"The fault lies with the executives," wrote Hotz, "who declared a war on hackers, laughed at the idea of people penetrating the fortress that once was Sony, whined incessantly about piracy, and kept hiring more lawyers when they really needed to hire good security experts. Alienating the hacker community is not a good idea." 

So my personal information has been compromised, in-order to counter a grudge? -_-
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Hahahaha nice.

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Sony lost a case like this in Australia to a dude who mod-chipped ps1 so they could play region free games. Sony lost so now it is legal in Australia to mod-chip your consoles. :D

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Their pr just sucks, could have handled it much smoother. Now they get the shaft, I'll never trust sony with shit from here on out.

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this dumbass ever know when to shut up? he dodged a fucking bullet already and now hes talking shit like he won.

and WHY WON'T HE JUST PLAY VIDEO GAMES?

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HACK THE PLANET, FIGHT THE POWER, then KICK THE BUCKET

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@YukoAsho: Or you could follow the law and admit George did nothing illegal.  All this stuff was posted for the iPhone stuff years ago, guess what...Apple didn't cry like a bitch.  It's fucking scary that you would compromise American laws to defend a corporation.  You're allowed to reverse engineer code, it's part of copyrights.  if you can reverse engineer it, it's legal.  These laws are out there to protect consumers.  

When Microsoft TELLS George to do the same thing to their products, you have to realize that it's not illegal.  

Apple, Google, and Microsoft have all stood up to George and admitted what he does isn't illegal.  They didn't cry like pussies when George had his fun, because they knew they had no case.  When those big three can't touch George, what makes you think think Sony has a chance?
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@KaosAngel said:
" @Addfwyn: Jailbreaking hardware isn't illegal.  He did with the iPhone, Android, and loads of other devices.  The DMCA said it's not illegal to hardware mod products you legally own.  George more than likely paid for more PS3s than you own, more than likely due to bricking a lot of them because of trial and error. "
The problem was A) circumventing copy protection (this is a whole different realm than "modding your hardware") and B) publishing copyrighted code keys on the internet for everyone to see.

Stop defending this asshat, it makes you look stupid.
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@Green_Incarnate: Won?  Sony fucking settled that shit before they would lose.  Did you even properly read the settlement or kept up with it?  Apple fucked it up for everyone last year when George got in trouble for the iPhone stuff, guess what the Federal Government said it's perfectly legal.  And George laughed his ass off and went back to doing what he does.

Sony realized this and didn't want to fuck it up for the entire console market.  Sony was going to lose that case hard and console modding was going to be perfectly legal, instead of "grey area".  If you read up on it all the sites even stated this.  Engadget, ArsTechnica, Leo Laport, etc.

It's not illegal to jailbreak shit you own.  The DMCA proved this last year with George's iPhone jailbreaking.

EDIT:  Even Microsoft gave George a fucking Windows Phone 7 in the hopes he jailbreaks it for the consumers.  Microsoft even knew George couldn't lose the Sony case, and sent him that Windows Phone 7 during the Sony stuff.
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@KaosAngel: I'm not trying to argue either way, but I find it funny. It's not illegal but Sony somehow sued him and won?
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@Addfwyn: Jailbreaking hardware isn't illegal.  

He did with the iPhone, Android, and loads of other devices.  The DMCA said it's not illegal to hardware mod products you legally own.  George more than likely paid for more PS3s than you own, more than likely due to bricking a lot of them because of trial and error.
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 "I'm not crazy, and would prefer to not have the FBI knocking on my door"


Maybe he shouldn't be engaging in illegal activities then...just a thought.  Regardless of his intentions (which I question to begin with anyway).  

That said, I do hope every hacker involved in this is found and put away for a good long time.  I have zero sympathy for this kind of criminal.   
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I fucking hate this guy. He's such a cocky douche.

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@CL60: Well I know we've been over this before you and I but it isn't so much the message but the way it was said. He kind of talks like a 'douche' so that goes a long way in making people not like him. Also give the guy a bit of credit he had to imagine that there would be some repercussions like this for Sony. Part of the SOny's security was the the PS3 was uncrackable once he did that it opened up a large hole in their security. I imagine he understood this and if he didn't maybe I am giving him too much credit and really is as much of a douche as he makes himself out to be.
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I was with him until he used a word like "noobs" without a trace of irony....

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@Punk1984: All consoles are cracked, and PS3 is the only one that was able to be hacked this badly. There is no possible way GeoHotz could have ever known that Sonys security was this terrible. He's called the guys that did this hack dicks, he said that hacking for him isn't about doing shit like breaking into other peoples property. For him it's simply unlocking a product which he owns. Which isn't even illegal, and that the people who did this to PSN are assholes. I fail to see why people in this topic are calling him a dick for saying that.
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@Punk1984: Hmm, good point.  The WikiLeaks conundrum if you will...
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@pkjr92: People don't like him because of his demeanor and because when something is a closed controlled eco-system like the PS3 was cracking it open can cause problems. Yeah Sony should have more security and people should be upset with them but at the same time part of the PSN's security was the fact that the PS3s were un-crackable. Geohotz cracks it because he wants to prove he can and even though he doesn't do anything bad with that information it does expose the PS3's users to a major headache. I'm not saying GeoHotz knew something like this was going to happen but he is pretty smart guy he should have applied a little forethought before publicizing his crack.
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Why does everyone hate Hotz?  He's just having fun making equipment do more than it's meant to.  I don't see anything wrong with increasing functionality, and he's made it clear he's not there for piracy.  He even called out the guys behind the PSN outage.  I don't see a problem with anything he did, the problem is Sony's and Sony's alone.  If they can't hire a decent security team, they're asking for it.

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Lighten the mood in here.


  
  
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cant take anything this guy says seriously when its not communicated through the art of white nerd rap

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@KaosAngel said:
" The people who hacked PSN will NEVER be caught or given to the public.  The FBI is already on this, and you can sure as fuck bet the FBI will break a deal with the people who did this, assuming they're from the states like it was said in the ParyVan IRC.The worst that's going to happen is that the FBI will tell Sony that they took care of it, and the hacker(s) will be working for the government instead of being sent to jail.  It's how the community works.  If you want proof, go to DEFCON and listen to the speeches from top-ranked hackers.  They'll even admit it, the best way to work for the NSA or FBI is to hack something big, and tell them you'll work for the government to skip punishment.  No one is going to go to jail for this. "
I find this really hard to believe, there are numerous reports online about hackers going to jail.  19yr. old sentenced to 11 years, Albert Gonzales got 20 years, a 21 yr. old here in Michigan got 9 years, not to mention a bunch of smaller sentences like 2 years.  There are plenty of examples of people going to jail for all kinds of hacking.  I would advise anyone not to take your words of advice about what happens to hackers as many do end up in prison.

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What a conflicting article to read.

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Dude kinda seems like a dick.

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@ryanwho said:
" @CL60 said:
" @ComradeKhan said:
" @Krakn3Dfx said:
" It's too bad one of the stipulations in the settlement wasn't that George Hotz would stop talking. "
BOOM!.. Thank you sir, we're all done here. "
No we're not, because I still need an explanation on how he is being annoying or a dick, by pointing out the obvious, and pointing out how the guys that did this are dicks. "
CL stop being a gadfly. "
Yeah, I'm the one being annoying. Not the people in this thread consistently posting 3 word responses after they clearly did not even read what Geohotz said. Or read it and failed to comprehend anything he said.
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It is rather funny watching all of these people calling GeoHotz a "dumbass".  Rich irony right there.  A smartass maybe, a dumbass definitely not.

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@CL60 said:
" @ComradeKhan said:
" @Krakn3Dfx said:
" It's too bad one of the stipulations in the settlement wasn't that George Hotz would stop talking. "
BOOM!.. Thank you sir, we're all done here. "
No we're not, because I still need an explanation on how he is being annoying or a dick, by pointing out the obvious, and pointing out how the guys that did this are dicks. "
CL stop being a gadfly.
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You know, he's still kind of a arrogant prick, but I don't mind Hotz. Don't fully understand the hate for him here.

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@pornstorestiffi said:
" Some one needs to hire him!!!! no, just no... some one needs to kick his face in. Thats pretty much all there is to it.
"
God, please let that person be Dana White.  I'd pay good money to watch Jon Jones get his hands on him. 

Geohot:  But I'm not 204 pounds!

Ok, maybe Jose Aldo instead, but only if they reallow kicks to the head of a downed opponent.
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@ComradeKhan said:
" @Krakn3Dfx said:
" It's too bad one of the stipulations in the settlement wasn't that George Hotz would stop talking. "
BOOM!.. Thank you sir, we're all done here. "
No we're not, because I still need an explanation on how he is being annoying or a dick, by pointing out the obvious, and pointing out how the guys that did this are dicks.
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@Krakn3Dfx said:
" It's too bad one of the stipulations in the settlement wasn't that George Hotz would stop talking. "
BOOM!.. Thank you sir, we're all done here.
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I do agree with his statement about Sony needing to hire more tech specialists than lawyers. Of course in reality almost every modern company is guilty of this, but it's still pretty funny.

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@FoxMulder said:
" Get a fuckin life you no good hacker. "
All of you saying this have yet to give me any reason why his blog post garnered so much hostility. HINT: He is calling these hackers that did this dicks!
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i'm totally gay for geohot

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Get a fuckin life you no good hacker.

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Fuck you, George Hotz.  You're the one who cracked the PS3.  This crap is your fault.