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When Passions Flare, Lines Are Crossed [UPDATED]

One player's heated rhetoric about sexual harassment in the fighting community causes a furious debate, one that has Capcom apologizing.

UPDATE: Bakhtanians has issued a statement in the wake of today's coverage. Read it here.

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“This is a community that’s, you know, 15 or 20-years-old and the sexual harassment is part of a culture,” said competitive fighting game player Aris "Aris" Bakhtanians on a recent live stream for Capcom's Cross Assault show, “and if you remove that from the fighting game community, it’s not the fighting game community.”

Capcom has since apologized for comments made during a conversation on sexual harassment in the fighting game community, which that quote was pulled from. It was a discussion focused on Bakhtanians, and took place during a recent episode of the company’s Cross Assault reality show. It’s part of a promotion for Street Fighter X Tekken.

Cross Assault started with 10 contestants divided into two teams, Team Tekken and Team Street Fighter. The final four contestants will be determined today, and the last matches begin March 3.

A reader initially pointed out the inflammatory commentary, which took place during day five.

Bakhtanians is the head of Team Tekken, and was engaged in a conversation that chiefly involved Twitch.tv community manager Jared Rea. Twitch.tv is hosting the daily streaming of the day-long Cross Assault episodes.

“The views and opinions expressed by cast members in the live internet program 'Cross Assault' do not reflect those of Capcom,” said a Capcom spokesperson in a statement issued to me last night. “As a company, Capcom believes that everyone should be treated with respect. This particular issue was brought to our attention and has been addressed. We sincerely apologize to anyone that was offended by any comments expressed during the show.”

You can listen to the conversation by fast forwarding to one hour and 45 minutes into the following video. A user on YouTube also collected a series of comments made by Bakhtanians on day one.

For example: "Miranda, I wanna know your bra size."

Tensions were immediately raised over Rea's suggestion the fighting game community, once insular and limited but now steadily growing year-over-year, was potentially alienating outsiders from becoming fans of fighting games or the competitive scene because of inappropriate sexual language. Bakhtanians took issue with Rea's criticism.

Here’s a lengthy transcript of their exchange:

Rea: You know what it is, to be honest with you? We’re getting older. Do you really want to keep hanging around with a bunch of [guys in their] early 20s who don’t know how to treat one another with respect? That’s what it is.

Bakhtanians: Alright, man. The thing is...if you don’t like the scene, how it is right now, it just seems like you’re trying to create...turn it into something that it’s not, and it’s never going to be. You know what I mean?

Rea: That’s really unfortunate [inaudible]...the way it is right now, they want to enjoy fighting games, but they’re so incredibly turned off by [the language].

Bakhtanians: This doesn’t involve me, Jared, I don’t know if you can hear me--this is Aris. This doesn’t really involve me, but if you don’t like onions, you get your sandwich without onions, man. I mean, this is the fighting game community.

Rea: Can I get my Street Fighter without sexual harassment?

Bakhtanians: You can’t. You can’t because they’re one and the same thing. This is a community that’s, you know, 15 or 20 years old, and the sexual harassment is part of a culture, and if you remove that from the fighting game community, it’s not the fighting game community--it’s StarCraft. There’s nothing wrong with StarCraft if you enjoy it, and there’s nothing wrong with anything about eSports, but why would you want just one flavor of ice cream, you know? There’s eSports for people who like eSports, and there’s fighting games for people who like spicy food and like to have fun. There’s no reason to turn them into the same thing, you know?

You can’t go to the NBA and say “hey, I like basketball, but I don’t want them to play with a basketball, I want them to play with a football.” It just doesn’t...it doesn’t make sense to have that attitude, you know? These things are established for years. That would be like someone from the fighting game community going over to StarCraft and trying to say “hey, StarCraft, you guys are too soft, let’s start making sexual harassment jokes to each other on StarCraft.” That’s not cool, people wouldn’t like that. StarCraft isn’t like that. People would get defensive, and that’s what you’re trying to do the fighting game community, and it’s not right. It’s ethically wrong.

I know that you’re thinking “what do you know about ethics? You say racial stuff and sexist stuff.” But those are jokes and if you were really a member of the fighting game community, you would know that. You would know that these are jokes.

Rea: So, ensuring that we alienate any and all female viewers...that’s the ethical thing to do?

Bakhtanians: Well, you know, there are layers here, if you think about this. There are layers of ethics. There are people who are racist and commit hate crimes, right? And then there are people who are racist but they have tons of friends of all colors and they have deep love for those friends. Do you think those people are one and the same? Absolutely not.

StarCraft was brought up several times during the discussion of fighting games role in the larger eSports movement, specifically in regards to what lessons the community should and should not learn from its popularity.

I reached out to Bakhtanians to discuss his comments on Cross Assault, but he didn't respond.

When I contacted Capcom, I included a transcript of the relevant conversation. The company told me the cast and crew had been informed that “any inappropriate or disrespectful comments will not be tolerated during filming.”

Upon receiving the statement from Capcom, I forwarded it in full to Bakhtanians. No response.

And there is one very important fact about this whole story: Cross Assault is not a male-only event. There are two females: Team Street Fighter’s Sherry “Sherryjenix” Nhan and Team Tekken’s Miranda “Super_Yan” Pakozdi.

During the exchange, as matches raged in the background, Pakozdi chimed in about Bakhtanians’ explanation for the pervasiveness of inappropriate sexual language within fighting game culture.

“It hurts the community,” she said.

Everyone in the stream made reference to Keystone events at the San Jose Bar & Grill in San Jose, California, a spot that’s reportedly known for its more crass comments about during play. Pakozdi acknowledged it was an issue during Keystone events, but that it never went, from her perspective, over the line.

“You don’t know where the line is,” she declared.

“My point is is where I’m from, in our arcade, our line may be different than yours,” responded Bakhtanians, “but the point is that fighting games are never gonna be the same as StarCraft, it’s never gonna be the same. You can’t turn basketball into baseball, no matter what you do.”

Rea said sexual harassment was less of an issue in the StarCraft community, a point that others, including Bakhtanians, pushed back on. He conceded. Regardless, he argued, private matches can’t be controlled, but the actions of the participants and audience members raised the real concern.

Again, here’s a snippet:

Rea: When I go to MSL or MLG and someone blows up a ghost [Starcraft], does someone go “Yeah, rape that bitch!”?

[group laughter]

Bakhtanians: But, you know, Jared, you’re right. But if there was that much money being spent on Street Fighter, it wouldn’t be happening here, either, you know. There would be more rules, there would be security here, it’s not the same thing. It’s not the same thing.

Rea: When I go to SoCal regionals and I see a Phoenix [from Marvel vs. Capcom 3] on main stage getting blown up and there’s some dude in the audience just yelling “Bitch! Bitch!” every time she gets hit and then she killed and goes “Yeah, rape that bitch!” Yeah, that’s totally acceptable! Really? Really? You’re going to tell me that’s acceptable?

Bakhtanians: Look, man. What is unacceptable about that? There’s nothing unacceptable about that. These are people, we’re in America, man, this isn’t North Korea. We can say what we want. People get emotional.

There was some light discussion after this, but it mostly trailed off.

Pakozdi, who was assigned to work with Bakhtanians as part of Team Tekken, did not simply blow things off. Like many people, she signed onto Twitter and expressed disappointment over the day’s events. She eventually deleted much of her commentary, but it was captured by the same reader who tipped me off to this in the first place.

“I hope my mom isn’t disappointed with all of this shit,” reads one tweet.

“Capcom and the stream teams know and they don’t care. I just gotta wait 2 more days,” reads another.

“I’m not leaving because by contract I have to stay here 2 more days. If it were up to me I would have left long ago," she said.

Bakhtanians is a well known in the community, explaining his Cross Assault involvement.

I reached out to Pakozdi, but she did not respond.

Day six of Cross Assault took place yesterday. Pakozdi played, but if you start watching around eight hours and 32 minutes into the stream, where she's playing as Balrog, she doesn't even attack. She just pushes forward on the stick. This continues in the next matches, where she plays as Ken using the same "strategy."

Essentially, she's given up.

Per the rules of the show, she would then have to face off against John "Dr. Sub-Zero" Rockafeller, who was already eliminated. If he beat her in three out of five matches, he would be "revived."

Instead, she forfeited. Moments after she bowed out, Rockafeller looked over and handed his prizes over to her.

“I would like to donate everything to Super_Yan for being an angel,” he said.

Bakhtanians also contributes the website Avoiding the Puddle and the site’s associated Twitter account.

“esports,” he wrote last night.

Previously, however, he did have his own personal Twitter account. What’s listed in his bio?

“Fuck you.”

1225 Comments
Posted by Sword5

People need to look at more of the FGC than just those clips and Cross Assault.

1. Maximilian the Online Warrior: Great and informative videos for fighting games and Call of Duty. Check out his work and see the new face of the FGC.

2. Level Up Series: They were the first to ban racism and most profanity on their stream. They stream a weekly event "Wednesday Night Fights" that is a lot of fun to watch and other than the weak pre-game show it is very professional. Find clips on their youtube page to start and maybe catch a stream.

3. Cross Counter - Gootecks and Mike Ross: Pro players that reached out to the online community and now have a pretty decent weekly live show. They are a safe start for most people and Mike Ross did have a documentary done about him. They make good Youtube videos and have called out offensive people on xbox live.

4. Ultra David and James Chen. They are the professional voices of the FGC. They are always good to listen to.

5. Iplaywinner: 50/50. They have great streams, but they pride themselves in keeping aggressive arcade culture alive. They have tried to make things better in the past and one of their writers even wrote a post about sexism - http://iplaywinner.com/news/2011/11/2/the-salty-runback-oktoberfest.html They aren't perfect, but they have been working on it.

DON'T LOOK AT THE CHAT. THAT IS ALWAYS GOOD ADVICE.

I also want to mention that Jared isn't perfect. I watched the TNT when he pitched Frame Trap and I watched every episode of that show. Jared was a perfect example of the childish cynicism that he harped on while talking to Jeff and the gang. He picked on fans of non street fighter games and passed judgement on games he never played.

Posted by Zokari

@RagingDaemon: No. You do not get the "choice" to be sexist.

Not without people rightfully calling you out.

Posted by mrpandaman
Posted by AaronChance

I wonder what the reaction would be if instead of shouting about rape, it was, "That nigger is getting hung!" I'm guessing people would be generally less cool with it.

Posted by mrfluke
@RagingDaemon: enjoy  fighting games while they last you asshole, 
 
look at you, your part of the fighting game community and this is what you saying are you that dense?
 
youve got a boatload of new players breaking into fighting games due to SF4 and Mk9 and thats your fucking attitude  towards new players? to fucking be an elitist towards new players, and scare them off.  
 
i hope your a minority , otherwise this genre's growth is going to get stagnant real fast as fighting games dont have the luxury of a call of duty mainstream appeal to keep it alive, and sooner or later this genre is gonna depend on a community to keep it alive ,  
 
which if it has pricks like you that love to be "passionate" about a fucking video game enough to scare off the newcomers, then enjoy wacking off with your other elitists about fighting game theory and see u in another 10 years 
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Posted by Milkman
@RagingDaemon said:

@Milkman: Was that an attempt to shame me? No tide of first year gender studies white knights or otherwise weak thinking people are going to get anywhere with just insults. Are you sure this isn't the comment section of Jezebel or Feministing?

It was more of an attempt to say you look like a meat head inbred fuck. If wanting to make sure that women can freely participate in e-sports without being shamed by rape threats makes this "Feministing", then sure, welcome to Feministing. I guess you're on the wrong site.
Edited by GreggD

@Sword5: Well at least he's not 100% OPPOSED to MK. Go visit SRK some time, that forum is the fucking WORST when it comes to shitting on Ed Boon and Co.

Posted by IronSouls

@RagingDaemon said:

If this is the kind of crying and hand-wringing that ensues, "Esports" just needs its own version of a WNBA that no one gives a shit about and no one watches because comparatively speaking it's unskilled garbage. I can remember an 8 year old boy getting close to the finals at the last EVO. Can't remember a single woman getting that far.

"Correlation does not imply causation" - Perhaps the reason a single woman didn't get that far is a symptom of the inherent misogynist tendencies of the community.

Real talk: name a single thing women have ever invented that men clamored to be a part of? Vagina doesn't count. Everything from dungeons and dragons to combat sports started as a by dudes, for dudes cool thing.

Really? Let's see... How about Dr. Grace Murray Hopper? She lead the team that created the first proper computer language, COBOL. This site and probably half the stuff you use a day is influenced by her actions.

Or maybe how about Stephanie Kwolek? Her chemical research created Kevlar. Or Patsy Sherman, another chemist who created Scotchguard? I could go on all night but what a ridiculous statement for you to have made...

If the community doesn't want to change and is willing to give up some or all of the corporate money to be free, it's their choice. The choice of the guys who were there from day 1 and paid their dues. They don't need your idealistic bullshit moral highground finger wagging.

Just because a "good ol' boy" club exists doesn't mean they should get a free pass. Times change and people are expected to grow up and change with them or they will be left behind. Of course that is there choice they are free to choose whatever they want.

Or it's entirely possible mainstream culture accepts the behavior. Look to rap lyrics and torture porn style horror movies for one. Competitive outlets must exist. You cannot shut away the primal and negative sides of human emotion because in your rainbow sunshine worldview that would be real nice.

Don't confuse free speech with acceptance of an idea, people can say whatever they want. Doesn't mean you have to listen or accept them.

Those of you going nuclear at this smack of hyper liberal idealists who are either ignorant or willfully naive about how the real world with real people works. It's ugly. We're tribal.

So it's fine to just give in to your baser side and be a horrible human being? I thought the idea was to be a better person and rise above that.

Look at your righteous indignation and understand there are people who legitimately wish one or all of their hobbies never went mainstream. Back when it was just the truly passionate working in the trenches without leeches and Johnny come latelys trying to change the shit the pioneers built. And people who wanted to be a part of it had to be able to handle it.

I was a huge time anime fan back in the day, back when we were still bootlegging VHS tapes and subtitling things with Amiga with genlocks.. I saw the same thing as anime became more mainstream. Plenty of anger from people, screaming how anime isn't pure and the new fans are posers. Isn't the point of prompting a hobby to expose to to more people? To get people to share your passion for it? You are winning, people are taking notice. I don't understand why you would push away those you were trying to attract in the first place?

This situation reminds me of the vast majority of women who tried to hang in one of my former kickboxing gyms. They would talk a good game, but the first real, full force punch to the face, and they were gone. The ones who stayed and flourished weren't the cry babies, mentally weak, victim mentality types.

I'm not even sure what to say to this? Equating sexual harassment to sparring? No one wants to be broken down, male or female.

Posted by JuggaloAcidman

I agree that his comments were sexist! Very sexist! But, I disagree with people saying that the clothing in fighting games is sexist... Both men and women alike wear little to nothing in fighting games! I think that female fighters in a bikini and dude fighters going shirtless is not really that bad!

Posted by RagingDaemon

@Zokari: One dude engaged anything I had to say with any substance. The rest of you that responded were clearly gotten to and went right to some version of insults that didn't even contain a cursory element of calling someone out. Point out things I said that were untrue, provide counter examples. Like a woman that won an EVO, or say the WNBA gets awesome ratings for their terrific slam dunks. If you want to pepper ad homs in between that, go nuts. Otherwise I write you off as both indoctrinated and too stupid to even explain yourself.

Posted by benson
Posted by Duffyside

@pekoe212 said:

@Duffyside said:

I feel... I feel like that time Superman realized he needed to team up with Lex Luthor to defeat Darkseid. That to save the world, he had to team up with the world's greatest enemy.

I... yes. It has to be done. No matter the cost.

Guys? We need Leigh Alexander to get involved in the fighting game community.

Oh my God. I...am trying to picture how that would end. All I see is death.

I know. ... Glorious, isn't it?

Posted by Zokari

@RagingDaemon: What the fuck are you talking about, you simpleton? Women do not need to win a tournament to be deserving of being treated with respect.

Posted by Napalm

@RagingDaemon: The people that matter support Super__Yan's actions. Continue on thinking everybody wants this, because they don't. A couple want to hold it back and to themselves like they are still in high school. Nope! Don't think so. Either you guys mature with the rest of them kicking and screaming, or be left behind.

It's as simple as that. It's not 1997 anymore.

Posted by SlightConfuse
Posted by xxizzypop

I wish I could sift through all of these comments and join in the conversation/shit slinging, but, mother of god, those comments.

Posted by Katkillad

The worst part about it, I bet that Aris guy is enjoying all of the attention he is getting.  I try to watch some of the fighting game tournaments on twitch, but just about every announcer is racist and/or sexist.  It's like, they took the anonymity that people hide behind on the internet and removed it and that's how they act in real life now.
 
What is funny...is the MOBA community is even worse than the fighting game community if you can believe that.

Posted by Sword5

@GreggD: There is a reason I didn't list SRK. They have some good people and do work with Level Up, but their forums are huge risk for beginners to wander into. They also have links to the old guard of SF players that spawned Aris.

Fans of MK should check out TestYourMight and follow 16bit on twitter. His podcast is okay.

There are a lot of great things coming out of the FGC. Cross Assault was a bad marketing experiment that was doomed from the start when they picked Aris. It also seemed poorly planned when it came to the events. Shouldn't have been live.

Posted by benson
Posted by RagingDaemon

@mrfluke: Like I said to the other guy, despite the Ryu a/v, I'm not a part of the fighting game community. My stance on that issue is that if their community wants to change, it should be their culture changing from within, not having to bow under populist pressure from all these people dying to protect an innocent little girl from the mean misogynists. I'll always give props to the elitists who kept the culture alive when no one cared about them. They were fine before the casual revival, if it fades out as a fad, they'll be fine after.

Posted by Napalm

This is what the FGC is about. Fuck the fringe players. They can have their awful sexist rape jokes and awkward advances. Nobody gives a shit about them anymore.

Posted by Zokari

@RagingDaemon: Hahaha, oh my God. "I stand with the misogynists." How courageous of you. You're sort of like Gandhi, or maybe Nelson Mandela.

Edited by benson

@Robo said:

@benson: Right. Because he didn't write a whole book about how he was born a man and chose to be a woman. Seriously, fuck off.

So you finally admit that she IS a woman! You're making progress!

edit to respond to your edit: I did read it, it shows clearly that gender isn't a binary thing and is determined by a multiplicity of factors wich can be affected by a number of pathologies.

Posted by InsidiousTuna

It's way too late for me to bother throwing in my two cents, but I'm glad that this story's blown up over the past couple of days. People shouldn't be dicks. Quit being dicks, people!

Posted by Crysack

This is new and exciting.

No really, Aris is actually right to a certain extent, not only has he been doing exactly the same thing for years now (just take a look at his recent SC5 streams for reference) but so have a large portion of the SF/SC/Tekken/whatever else commentators. I find it odd that people are only starting to complain now.

Posted by KoolAidMan

@RagingDaemon: It's because most of your points are stupid.

I actually do agree that people in the people in the FGC have every right to act the way they do. It is their community and if they want to keep it insular and not "sell out", which in this case means institutionalizing abusive and unsportsmanlike behavior, it is their prerogative. Aris just shouldn't be surprised at any backlash that comes as a result.

Sperg away

Edited by Alkaiser

@RagingDaemon said:

If this is the kind of crying and hand-wringing that ensues, "Esports" just needs its own version of a WNBA that no one gives a shit about and no one watches because comparatively speaking it's unskilled garbage. I can remember an 8 year old boy getting close to the finals at the last EVO. Can't remember a single woman getting that far.

Real talk: name a single thing women have ever invented that men clamored to be a part of? Vagina doesn't count. Everything from dungeons and dragons to combat sports started as a by dudes, for dudes cool thing.

If the community doesn't want to change and is willing to give up some or all of the corporate money to be free, it's their choice. The choice of the guys who were there from day 1 and paid their dues. They don't need your idealistic bullshit moral highground finger wagging.

Or it's entirely possible mainstream culture accepts the behavior. Look to rap lyrics and torture porn style horror movies for one. Competitive outlets must exist. You cannot shut away the primal and negative sides of human emotion because in your rainbow sunshine worldview that would be real nice.

Those of you going nuclear at this smack of hyper liberal idealists who are either ignorant or willfully naive about how the real world with real people works. It's ugly. We're tribal.

Look at your righteous indignation and understand there are people who legitimately wish one or all of their hobbies never went mainstream. Back when it was just the truly passionate working in the trenches without leeches and Johnny come latelys trying to change the shit the pioneers built. And people who wanted to be a part of it had to be able to handle it.

This situation reminds me of the vast majority of women who tried to hang in one of my former kickboxing gyms. They would talk a good game, but the first real, full force punch to the face, and they were gone. The ones who stayed and flourished weren't the cry babies, mentally weak, victim mentality types.

Real Talk: Things that women invented that might be important to men. Hmm... lets see... maybe kevlar, fireproof materials... the circular saw... computer languages such as COBOL...

But lets stick to strictly nerd stuff. How about our beloved Street Fighter? God, SF2 sure had a kicking soundtrack huh? I wonder who was responsible for composing most of that game, along with a few other nerd-famous games...

Or what about comic books? Certainly that is a male dominated genre! I'll bet a woman wouldn't go anywhere near those things...

Look, no one is forcing them to change their ways. But that doesn't mean that people can't criticize them for what they choose to say. It works both ways.

Edit: Ack, too slow on the draw I guess. Somebody beat me to my first sentence. Ah well.

Posted by KoolAidMan

@Katkillad said:

What is funny...is the MOBA community is even worse than the fighting game community if you can believe that.

It depends on which MOBA we're talking about. HoN is the absolute worst in my experience while the DOTA 2 community has been surprisingly cool so far.

Posted by benson

@Robo said:

@benson: No, you're just arguing with utter nonsense because you don't really understand the topic or the statement I made.

You didn't read a word of the link I posted. You are completely ignoring the fact that the individual in question admits to being born genetically male.

Unless you want to really provide some pertinent proof to the contrary, again, fuck off.

Nah, I'm pretty confident of the fact that I have a better grasp on transgender issues than you, and I intend to stay.

Posted by DrPockets000

The excuses for his behavior are excruciatingly poor. A white supremacist cannot be pardoned for using the n-word just because that's what's expected of him and because he's passionate about his cause.

Posted by Crysack

@DrPockets000 said:

The excuses for his behavior are excruciatingly poor. A white supremacist cannot be pardoned for using the n-word just because that's what's expected of him and because he's passionate about his cause.

See: The moronic argument over racism in the Starcraft 2 community around mid-way through last year.

Edited by chaosnovaxz

@depecheload:

Woah woah dude, did you miss the part where I said I didn't support that kind of talk at all?

I'm saying it's stupid to call it sexist. Imagine you were a man who was raped; you wouldn't find it funny then, either. I'm just humored by women claiming to be offended by the word "rape" everywhere it's used because they say it's "sexist". Because only women can be raped, right?

My point is that you can go play any game online, and hear "Get raped bitch!" in a lobby full of just GUYS. It's ludicrous for a woman to join up in such a session, and then claim that they're only saying those things to her because she's a woman and the guys she's with are sexist. They're just dumbasses.

Posted by R3DT1D3

Even though this is blown out of proportion, the fact still remains that Aris would rather have a community of 15-20 year olds who are hostile to new comers than a larger, more accepting community.

I don't care how you frame it, that's just childish. Hopefully someday he'll mature and realize how great a real community is.

Posted by ADV215

@Sword5: TestYourMight is great with welcoming new players to Mortal Kombat. It's one of the benefits of having a smaller community. A lot of the top players are actually willing to play you online... even though MK's online leaves something to be desired... They also are usually good with advice.

TYM actually reminds me of Giant Bomb in a weird way. And it's funny that you mention 16 Bit because he's actually a member of Giant Bomb. I saw him wearing a GB T-shirt in pools right before he won an MK major. Cool stuff.

Posted by DrPockets000

@Crysack said:

@DrPockets000 said:

The excuses for his behavior are excruciatingly poor. A white supremacist cannot be pardoned for using the n-word just because that's what's expected of him and because he's passionate about his cause.

See: The moronic argument over racism in the Starcraft 2 community around mid-way through last year.

Oh damn, totally forgot about that. All is excused, then. Carry on, Aris.

Posted by GreggD

@Sword5: Fair enough. I think the main thing with fighting games and me is that I don't really wanna get to the point where I'm counting frames. I'm wicked casual, but I LOVE to play them. It's really hard finding like-minded players in my particular "bracket", though. And then I read this article and what's going on, and it kinda seems to stem from what I've learned about the FGC, and how it's really impenitrable and for a specific subset of players.

I will say this, though. People defending Aris are not good people. He is wrong, and seems like a despicable human being. He has the right to say what he wants, but that doesn't take away our right to react the way we did to it.

Posted by benson

@Robo: Let me check my inbox to verify if I changed any part of your post... nope, that big paragraph at the end that once again doesn't support your argument wasn't there before.

Posted by Sword5

@ADV215: "I am coming for you Tom Brady" was the Lincoln Force t-shirt guy. Bizarre and amazing video.

Patrick should reach out to 16-bit. Top 8 in Evo and a giantbomb fan.

Posted by TannerSmith

After reading this and seeing what this guy looks like I have a few adjectives that I feel adequately describe him:

  • Juggalo (ICP fan)
  • Unhealthy
  • Obese
  • Uneducated
  • Unclean
  • Lonely (based on his amazing ability to alienate anyone of the opposite sex)
Posted by ZenTzen

Ok i just need to say my 2 cents about this.

First, Miranda enabled the guy, not only did she not say anything about his behaviour but she also took part and said some pretty retarded stuff (talking about korean p**** sizes and that she likes being hit on by black guys and other pretty stupid stuff) during all those days of the show, in all those days she was laughing, talking with Aris, engaging on his conversations even when they turned stupid, all the while without any problems, forget the fact that she also said she didnt give a damn about what he was doing.

Then we have Sherry, the girl that was part of the other team, shes personally acquainted with Aris and they are friends, she says hes a pretty good guy(a sentiment shared by the people at cross assault that know him by the way) but he can seem like a pretty rude and mean guy to the people that dont know him and has come out and said that the way Miranda acted to the whole situation was uncalled for, she also said that if Miranda said anything to him and said to him that she didnt like the way he was treating her he would have stopped, but none of that happened.

Heres the thing about the FGC, they all trash talk, just see any tournament streams or videos by so called "professional players" and you will see this and in a community that likes to talk trash on anyone it is true that people need to toughen up and not pay attention to the s*** thats flinged at them. Another thing his that the FGC is a pretty emotional one, they vibrate and live for the hype in matches, it is a competition, especially an action packed genre like FGs , the whole "Rape that b****" was only about a character in a game that was unfair and overpowered that people would make these kinds of comments in the heat of the moment isnt surprising, similarly the same can be said with "kill that guy" or "F*** him up", people say these things and they dont have any real malice intended, especially in competitive games.

Now about Aris himself, sure he should have controled himself more, but how things played out in all these days of Cross Assault isnt all on him, he isnt some villain that needs to be crucified, because besides the fact that he was insensitive, Miranda(Super_Yan) did go along with him and took part in all of his B******.

Posted by Terjay

Great job Patrick. This needed to be written.

Posted by 1p

Yeah, that guy is a grade A dickhead, and the fact that he thinks there's "nothing unacceptable" about how he behaved himself makes me even more angry. I hope the fighting game community shuns him.

Posted by ThePhenomenal1

for some reason this fighting game community aris speaks of isn't what my FGC that i've been a part of is.

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Posted by unstoptheday

I think the best part is when he tells Jared he's not truly part of the fighting game community.

Posted by jmic75

@princess_zelda said:

of course he looks like that. lmao.

lol exactly what I thought when I saw the pic.

Posted by depecheload

@chaosnovaxz said:

@depecheload:

Woah woah dude, did you miss the part where I said I didn't support that kind of talk at all?

I'm saying it's stupid to call it sexist. Imagine you were a man who was raped; you wouldn't find it funny then, either. I'm just humored by women claiming to be offended by the word "rape" everywhere it's used because they say it's "sexist". Because only women can be raped, right?

My point is that you can go play any game online, and hear "Get raped bitch!" in a lobby full of just GUYS. It's ludicrous for a woman to join up in such a session, and then claim that they're only saying those things to her because she's a woman and the guys she's with are sexist. They're just dumbasses.

The "bitch" in "get raped bitch" is either a woman or a man who is being given the "role" of a woman by being called "bitch." It's a sexist comment. Deal with it.

And even if using the word rape everywhere isn't sexist, it's stupid, immature, hyperbolic, overplayed and horribly offensive.

Posted by TwoPiArrrr
Posted by august

Real Talk: anyone who shouts "rape that bitch" in a public place should have thier goddamn balls cut off.