You Surprise That Counter Strike Hasn't Gotten An Actual Sequel?

#1 Posted by falserelic (5413 posts) -

I was thinking about this for awhile now. The game has been out for years and alot of people loved it. It surprises me that valve hasn't actually made a sequel to this game. The game itself has potential to become something even more. I know valve is capable of making a good sequel but they never did. I don't know if there's a certain reason why, but its weird that they never made one.

What are your thoughts about it?

#2 Posted by Tim_the_Corsair (3065 posts) -

There have been several "sequels" in terms of new versions on new(er) engines.

True, there has never been a CounterStrike 2, but I struggle to see a need for one, or what they would do to it that wouldn't stop it from fundamentally being CS.

#3 Posted by NickL (2246 posts) -

There is no need or reason to make a "true" sequel to a game like CS.

#4 Posted by falserelic (5413 posts) -

@Tim_the_Corsair said:

There have been several "sequels" in terms of new versions on new(er) engines. True, there has never been a CounterStrike 2, but I struggle to see a need for one, or what they would do to it that wouldn't stop it from fundamentally being CS.

If they do end up making a sequel. How would you feel if they added a campaign mode or co-op?

#5 Edited by Gantrathor (205 posts) -

Counter-Strike is a highly competitive E-Sport, and it's been around a long time. Making a sequel, and potentially changing the fundamental rules of the game, would be like ESPN making "Football 2." I don't think the fans would like it if a full blown sequel were made.

#6 Posted by Mixwizzard (83 posts) -

It doesn't need a sequel. It has an OK mod community that makes maps regularly.

#7 Posted by Savage (321 posts) -

Valve was working on a Counter-Strike 2 for a time in the early years after Counter-Strike went retail. They hired Minh Le and Jess Cliffe, the creators of the mod (as is Valve's frequent MO) and gave them free reign at Valve to make a proper followup to the original CS. After a couple years though, the sequel project was shelved and Minh Le left Valve. Since then I'm not sure if it's known if Valve has made another serious attempt at a fullblown sequel to CS, but they've not forgotten about the game as they've kept patching it and adding to it to help keep it alive, including re-releases in CS:CZ, CS:S, and CS:GO.

#8 Posted by NickL (2246 posts) -

@falserelic said:

@Tim_the_Corsair said:

There have been several "sequels" in terms of new versions on new(er) engines. True, there has never been a CounterStrike 2, but I struggle to see a need for one, or what they would do to it that wouldn't stop it from fundamentally being CS.

If they do end up making a sequel. How would you feel if they added a campaign mode or co-op?

They tried to make CS into a campaign once. Have you ever played CS:Condition zero deleted scenes? (I think at some point it came with copies of condition zero)

#9 Posted by falserelic (5413 posts) -

@Savage said:

Valve was working on a Counter-Strike 2 for a time in the early years after Counter-Strike went retail. They hired Minh Le and Jess Cliffe, the creators of the mod (as is Valve's frequent MO) and gave them free reign at Valve to make a proper followup to the original CS. After a couple years though, the sequel project was shelved and Minh Le left Valve. Since then I'm not sure if it's known if Valve has made another serious attempt at a fullblown sequel to CS, but they've not forgotten about the game as they've kept patching it and adding to it to help keep it alive, including re-releases in CS:CZ, CS:S, and CS:GO.

That's interesting, first time I've heard about that.....

#10 Posted by Ravenlight (8040 posts) -

@falserelic said:

If they do end up making a sequel. How would you feel if they added a campaign mode [...]

IMO, it would cease to be CS and become some other game at that point.

[...] or co-op?

Based on how Valve thinks TF2's MvM mode does, I wouldn't be surprised if a co-op sort of mode snuck in somewhere down the line.

#11 Posted by Dixego (384 posts) -

There's no sequel because this ain't Call of Duty, son.

#12 Posted by falserelic (5413 posts) -

@NickL said:

@falserelic said:

@Tim_the_Corsair said:

There have been several "sequels" in terms of new versions on new(er) engines. True, there has never been a CounterStrike 2, but I struggle to see a need for one, or what they would do to it that wouldn't stop it from fundamentally being CS.

If they do end up making a sequel. How would you feel if they added a campaign mode or co-op?

They tried to make CS into a campaign once. Have you ever played CS:Condition zero deleted scenes? (I think at some point it came with copies of condition zero)

CS:GO was the first game I've played I never played the previous CS games. The reason why I made this topic. Is because during a match some CS fans was disappointed how CS:GO turned out. They was hoping for something more, and felt bored of playing the game. But I'm surprised to hear that valve tried to make a campaign for CS in the past.

#13 Posted by Savage (321 posts) -

@falserelic said:

@Savage said:

Valve was working on a Counter-Strike 2 for a time in the early years after Counter-Strike went retail. They hired Minh Le and Jess Cliffe, the creators of the mod (as is Valve's frequent MO) and gave them free reign at Valve to make a proper followup to the original CS. After a couple years though, the sequel project was shelved and Minh Le left Valve. Since then I'm not sure if it's known if Valve has made another serious attempt at a fullblown sequel to CS, but they've not forgotten about the game as they've kept patching it and adding to it to help keep it alive, including re-releases in CS:CZ, CS:S, and CS:GO.

That's interesting, first time I've heard about that.....

Considering Valve's approach to game development has always been constant iteration and playtesting without being afraid to toss out what isn't working, I'm sure there's an awe-inspiring amount of work left on Valve's proverbial cutting room floor from all sorts of games they've worked on over the years, both ones that did eventually came out and others that never survived to release.

#14 Posted by NickL (2246 posts) -

@falserelic: From what I remember it was pretty bad.

#15 Posted by falserelic (5413 posts) -

@Dixego said:

There's no sequel because this ain't Call of Duty, son.

I wouldn't want counter strike to end up being a Call of Duty rip-off. Valve would never let that happen.

#16 Posted by Ghost_Cat (1431 posts) -

I want a CS sequel where I shoot more dudes. YEH!

#17 Posted by falserelic (5413 posts) -

@NickL said:

@falserelic: From what I remember it was pretty bad.

From watching that vid it does seem like it could have been better.

#18 Posted by Dixego (384 posts) -

@Ghost_Cat said:

I want a CS sequel where I shoot more dudes. YEH!

This guy knows his games.

#19 Posted by Tim_the_Corsair (3065 posts) -

Condition Zero was a fucked up abortion of a game, holy shit I just broke out in hives remembering playing it.

It was also responsible for the fucking riot shield making it across into normal CS if I remember correctly.

#20 Posted by EquitasInvictus (2028 posts) -

As already mentioned, I also think Counter-Strike isn't the sort of game to warrant a numeric sequel.

CS:S and CS:GO are justifiably enough of a "sequel" for the kind of game Counter-Strike is. As long as each new iteration and update on the formula keeps selling, I don't think they'll ever be ambitious enough to take the franchise any further. There's a lot of risk in attempting to make it something more (and potentially making it into something it's not, which would make it a non-Counter-Strike entirely), and if what was posted about a scrapped campaign are true, that experience probably gives them even more a reason to not bother.

I'm sure there are people with great ideas that are channeling it over other avenues than trying to make Counter-Strike a game it isn't supposed to be, though, so it's not like anyone is losing out.

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