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#51 Edited by mlarrabee (2924 posts) -

I actually hope that too. I've used and enjoyed my 360 much more than my PS3, and beside the ads and the occasional slowdowns I think the dashboard is fine, but lately Microsoft has been acting exactly like Sony did at the close of the last generation.

It's about time platform developers started catering to consumers and game developers.

EDIT: Just so we're clear, I'd much rather Microsoft get their head together without having to "eat dirt" in this coming gen.

#52 Posted by SpudBug (633 posts) -

Yeah, I was a huge fan of them starting the generation, and now I just am happy with my PC.

On one hand I hope there are big, awesome console games announced at E3, on the other hand, I hope they're not XBox or PS4 exclusive so I can enjoy them on PC.

I don't know why people are paying any attention to Microsoft - if you don't love Call of Duty, Madden, FIFA, and Halo, or aren't interested in paying $60 a month to access netflix and "entertainment" options they're really not paying much attention to you. They've very clearly shifted from games to wanting to be a cable-box like device. I have no interest in such a thing, and I suspect most people who are traditional fans of games don't either.

#53 Edited by Superfriend (1543 posts) -

@ez123 said:
@superfriend said:

Oh, it´s doom and gloom alright.

I can certainly see that it is for you. Why are they shitting on consoles by having timed exclusives? You complain about too much shooters/racing games. Then when it comes to games like Dust or MOTN, the problem is that they keep it exclusive to 360 for about a year. There are unique games to that console that you're saying doesn't release any unique games, and that's somehow a problem?

Plus, the doritos game just came out. You can't complain days after a hot exclusive like that comes out.

Well, I was mostly talking about them not having more than 2 big retail games per year. I know first party stuff is not all that important, but since I´m mostly on PC now, I´m looking for reasons to buy a console. First party stuff would be a good reason.

The problem with XBLA is twofold: Yes, there are still some great games coming out, some of them even produced by Microsoft. I would even go as far as to say that XBLA saved the 360´s ass from 2009-2011. But now the tables have turned and most of the interesting indie stuff comes out on PC. Microsoft also treats their indie devs like poop, which is why Fez gets updates on the PC and not on Xbox (or not anymore). So, there are more and more memorable indie games out on PC, they´re cheaper and they run better most of the time. XBLA is not the ideal platform for those games anymore, not by a long shot. And whenever a game comes out and has some weird timed exclusive, I can´t help but wonder if it would run 100x better no PC.

In short: I want Microsoft to have good exclusives next generation, but not at the expense of gamers. They should not have the need for so many timed exclusives.



Edit: Timed exclusives exist in part to keep the other consoles from having that content. Sometimes it almost seems like Microsoft is doing it only to hurt the competition. That´s what I meant by "shitting on the other consoles". Combine that with the subpar versions you get on Xbox most of the time and the situation really, really sucks. I wanted to play the last Skyrim addon when I still had a lot of fee time in December.. so I got it on 360 and it ran like crap. I just recently got it again (!) on PC and that would have been the preferable version. If it hadn't been blocked by some arbitrary exclusive deal back in December.

#54 Posted by ProfessorEss (7319 posts) -

@believer258 said:

However, Metro on Windows 8 isn't that bad. I just hit the Windows button and I'm out of it. It has not bugged me in the least since I started using it.

Win 8 Metro is actually really useful if you have your PC hooked up to your TV, as the standard desktop has always looked / scaled terribly to me.

I actually find it quite baffling how Metro could be so effectively implemented in Windows 8 while being such mess on the 360.

#55 Posted by JJWeatherman (14558 posts) -

You don't need to place commas before the last word or two of your sentences.

#56 Edited by Vinny_Says (5700 posts) -

It's like saying you really enjoyed the time you spent with your ex-girlfriend and she made you really happy, but ever since she broke your heart you want her to burn in a car wreck.....

Relax a bit and try to enjoy the memories you have. People move on and so should you. Because of your own selfish reasons microsoft should put out a shitty console just so they can "eat dirt"?

#57 Edited by Bigandtasty (3202 posts) -

@vinny_says: Not a valid comparison. It's a business (not a person) that previously got things right, but has now lost its way. Most businesses have to be humbled before they get back to what made them great.

#59 Edited by horseman6 (388 posts) -

Windows 8 is fantastic. . . once you purchase and install Start8 for 5 bucks.

#60 Posted by DonPixel (2585 posts) -

pay for a sub par experience in free online services, pay for ads, pay for crappy avatar gear, pay for online..

yeah.. kinda fuck MS

#61 Posted by super2j (1667 posts) -

microsoft did a good job this gen. they won, but as a ps3 user, aside from a couple games(most eventually coming to pc or ps3), I have had zero regret in picking the ps3. Sony seemed so open and proconsumer. I mean, originally the ps3 could use any laptop harddrive, they allowed linux installations, they didnt charge for online and all the usb devices I plugged into it actually worked (also their system wasn't shoddily made). Later on they added their payed service which still seems to be going strong and amazing, granted I have not taken advantage of this. All these years, when I compared xbox to ps3 I would always see microsoft's box as very closed and inflexible. I love my ps3 and I think that Sony eating dirt at the beginning of this generation will just lead to more good things next gen.

#62 Posted by TheManiacsGnome (269 posts) -

Pre-Metro, I turned on my 360 and either hit the button to play the game in the disc drive or went up one time to get to the row with all MY stuff. Not a fraction of my stuff plus a whole bunch of other crap MS wants to sell me. Ads for games, movies and music that I can buy on the 360 are still ads. Claiming the current dash has one square per block for ads is disingenuous at best and delusional, at worst. The stuff I bought doesn't even get highlighted on the current dash. It's hidden behind the one tile per group that we are given for our stuff. It would be like loading up Itunes and having to scroll past albums they want to sell you to get to your music collection. For the record, I don't like how the Playstation Store works on the PS3, either, but at least Sony put their Marketplace in one spot, which is what I wish Microsoft would go to. I bought a game console 5 years ago and they have since turned it into a storefront that happens to play games that I have to pay them to be able to use to it's full potential.

Um, buying games, movies and music on your console is kind of a thing now. I really don't see the issue with MS letting me know I can buy The Hobbit for half price, or that a game trailer has been released which I can view with a single push of the button. I know what games are on my hard drive, I don't need them displayed front and centre on the dash. There are aspects of the current dashboard that I can't stand, Recent and My Pins being two absolutely useless squares but it's hardly as offensive or ugly as XMB.

We want both companies to be competitively healthy, Sony and Nintendo as the lone major console manufacturers is just as bad a situation as MS and Nintendo being the only ones. It's incredibly short sighted to want anyone of the current players to back out and leave us with less choice, MS forced Sony to get the lead out and make other consumers on the fence and desire a PS3. I want the same from MS, not for them "Eat Dirt".

#63 Posted by Sweep (8844 posts) -

Moved to the DiRT forum. That's what you were talking about, right?

Nailed it.

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#65 Posted by Bigandtasty (3202 posts) -

@sweep said:

Moved to the DiRT forum. That's what you were talking about, right?

Nail'd it.

Fixed

#66 Posted by jdh5153 (1034 posts) -

I don't see what the problem with the dashboard is. It's one of the best OS experiences in all of technology, right up with Windows 8 Metro. It's great that it's different every time you turn it on, and a lot of times the ads are for things I want to it's doing me a favor. I can jump right into Netflix / Hulu / MLB.tv in a matter of seconds. Nothing about the dashboard is slow.

#67 Edited by ez123 (1956 posts) -

@superfriend: Yes, PC versions of games run better(duh). Doesn't mean those games aren't a plus for the Xbox. Unless it was some amazing deal, I'd never buy something like Skyrim for 360. That's just common sense.

PC is great for indie devs but MS wants the 360 version to sell very well and having it only available on that platform accomplishes that. So they don't let them release those games for a while. I feel like that's meeting halfway more than anything.

#68 Posted by JouselDelka (967 posts) -

@sweep said:

Moved to the DiRT forum. That's what you were talking about, right?

Nailed it.

Haha you really are slowly throwing all the conventions of these forums in the trash and having your fun with it aren't you? Funny stuff. Now there's a thread about Microsoft listed under the DiRT franchise forums, is this Y2K all over again?

#69 Posted by Darson (450 posts) -
@andorski said:
  1. Paying for Gold is a rip-off.

The worst part about it is that they raised the price because they felt the "service's" value had increased with the addition of Netflix, NFL-MLB-ESPN-CNN-NBC-CBC-TBC-CCC-CCC-BLAH-TV, and many others despite the fact that 90% of these additions required subscriptions to third parties.

Also because no one wants that shit.

#70 Edited by Andorski (5268 posts) -

I actually find it quite baffling how Metro could be so effectively implemented in Windows 8 while being such mess on the 360.

The Metro screen on PC is customizable, so you can make it less cluttered and have only the things you use all in one screen. The Metro UI on the 360 has full pages of stuff most people don't use (like seriously... who listens to music on their console?) and there is a bunch of space on the screen that isn't used at all.

#71 Edited by Superfriend (1543 posts) -

@ez123 said:

@superfriend: Yes, PC versions of games run better(duh). Doesn't mean those games aren't a plus for the Xbox. Unless it was some amazing deal, I'd never buy something like Skyrim for 360. That's just common sense.

PC is great for indie devs but MS wants the 360 version to sell very well and having it only available on that platform accomplishes that. So they don't let them release those games for a while. I feel like that's meeting halfway more than anything.

Yeah, it makes total sense for Microsoft. But I´m not with the company and I don´t care about their business plan. All I see is that for my personal way of playing games and buying them, their strategy is kinda harmful.

It´s not the end of the world yet, but what if they feel the need to secure even more exclusives next time around? The PC crowd is the one getting screwed then.