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#1  Edited By yani

  With the industry continuing to struggle against rampant piracy and Ubisoft about to deploy their always connected DRM, will we eventually see DRM for the 360?  9 times out of 10 there will be a 360 version of a game on the torrents before a pc one, and while Microsoft can ban people from Live, nothing can stop pirates from playing single player on the 360. 
  This means that either all 360 games need to start having amazing multiplayer/co-op experiences, in order to convince more people to buy and play their games without risk of being banned, or companies/Microsoft will have start taking steps to protect sp games like Ubisoft.  
  Will there come a day where you have to be connected to Live to play single player campaigns?
 
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From VGChartz article about 2009 piracy (numbers from TorrentFreak)
" Modern Warfare 2 of course leads the bunch, with downloads of 970k. Street Fighter 4 and Prototype were both pirated over 800k times. DiRT 2 and UFC 2009 Undisputed were also pirated over 700k times. DiRT 2 actually has more illegal downloads then retail sales, very bad news for Codemasters."

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#2  Edited By sodiumCyclops

It all depends how Ubisoft's DRM works out. If it's terrible then I would bet no one else would do the same thing.
 
But something will work eventually.

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#3  Edited By FartyMcNarly

Since microsoft controls what happens on it's console, no there will never be any DRM other than what microsoft puts on it. Console piracy is nothing new and they're having no problems selling games.

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#4  Edited By sodiumCyclops
@FartyMcNarly said:
" Since microsoft controls what happens on it's console, no there will never be any DRM other than what microsoft puts on it. Console piracy is nothing new and they're having no problems selling games. "
This. Console piracy still doesn't hold a torch to PC piracy either.
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#5  Edited By SeriouslyNow

People people people, please educate yourselves.  The whole point of the console's built in TPM authentication is DRM.  The 360, PS3 and Wii ALL use DRM.

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#6  Edited By yani
@SeriouslyNow: Apologies, further DRM then as the 360's (and Wii's) has clearly and repeatedly been circumvented.
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#7  Edited By SeriouslyNow
@yani: 
Well probably not to be honest.  The point of a fixed target platform is so the publishers can concentrate on game development solely and leave all of the security and management up to the platform providers.  It's more likely that MS and other companies will just patch and ban rather than ask the devs to implement further DRM strategies.
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#8  Edited By yani
@SeriouslyNow: Changed my OP slightly.  Should companies be putting more pressure on Microsoft then as some of them are losing a huge amount in potential sales and those numbers are just from the torrents.
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#9  Edited By iam3green

no, there won't be any DRM for consoles. there are already somewhat of a DRM on consoles, at least the 360. if u put a hard drive on another console and not on live than it will say u have to be on xbox live to play the game.

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#10  Edited By SeriouslyNow
@yani said:
" @SeriouslyNow: Changed my OP slightly.  Should companies be putting more pressure on Microsoft then as some of them are losing a huge amount in potential sales and those numbers are just from the torrents. "
I don't think so.  The last ban wave and the responding increase in console and MW2 sales figures for that period (which I don't have handy, but feel free to look them up) indicate that MS has a pretty good handle on their userbase.  I don't think the publishers are really that worried at all.
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#11  Edited By pause422

It happens. its going to continue happening. Just like PC piracy. Really nothing you can do about it, and talking about it more isn't changing anything. Even with it they aren't having problems selling games for the 360 or anything.

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#12  Edited By Seppli

Just let local law enforcement crack down on videogame pirates. Break down doors. Put cuffs on them pirates and throw them all in ass-rape central!

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#13  Edited By Doctorchimp

Console Piracy is an asterisk when you talk about PC software piracy...
 
Add in the fact that you can't get on LIVE anymore with a modded console and the people who go through all that trouble now probably wouldn't have bought it anyway...
 
It's a non-issue...they aren't sweating as much now like they were last year.
 
And again...people are going to the consoles for security on sales.

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I HATE game pirates >:(

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#15  Edited By Meowayne

In the end, DRM will only hurt paying customers, and pirates won't care or be affected in the slightest.

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#16  Edited By oldschool
@Meowayne said:
" In the end, DRM will only hurt paying customers, and pirates won't care or be affected in the slightest. "
Exactly.  It only punishes the good customer and has no effect on the non customer.  When will they learn that as those on the edge get pissed off about restrictions and are more likely to become the non customer.  There are always better ways and DRM is not one of them.
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#17  Edited By WilliamRLBaker

 @oldschool said:

" @Meowayne said:
" In the end, DRM will only hurt paying customers, and pirates won't care or be affected in the slightest. "
Exactly.  It only punishes the good customer and has no effect on the non customer.  When will they learn that as those on the edge get pissed off about restrictions and are more likely to become the non customer.  There are always better ways and DRM is not one of them. "
DRM done smart and good will not punish the customers and will punish the pirates sadly we haven't seen DRM done right or even smart yet.
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#18  Edited By Semition
@WilliamRLBaker: It's pretty hard to do good DRM considering that pirates can screw with the code and set up private servers.
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#19  Edited By Sirico
@sodiumCyclops:  Apart from the fact most games are leaked a month in advance and offer all the features of a store brought product, with minimal effort to the user compared to the pc.
The best drm so far has been the fade system seen in the Arma games nothing says don't pirate like guns that can't hit a barn door and being turned into a bird when joining multiplayer.
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#20  Edited By Video_Game_King
@sodiumCyclops said:
But something will work eventually.
Not exactly. Given enough time, the pirate always wins.