Posted by Danbo (191 posts) -

If someone asked me a year ago what I thought would be a new key feature for the next generation of handheld consoles, 3D would be the last thing on my mind. 3D and tiny screens, even 3D and videogames, are never two things I’ve related with each other. However, after seeing how 3D-filled 2010 was, being sported by countless films, the rise of 3D compatible TVs and subsequent 3D progams, it was certainly less surprising to see 3D as the next ‘logical’ step for enhancing the videogame experience.

      

And who better to bring about this step into the future of videogames than the company for bored moms and small kids everywhere– Nintendo! While it’s fair to say someone in the Nintendo building hit the nail firmly on the head for timing a jump onto the big money 3D bandwagon, it’s a nail I wish they didn’t hit. Not because I don’t want Nintendo to make some green, but because I fear they are once again going to be able to rely on a gimmick to sell their console rather than relying on making a great selection of quality games like they used to.

I sound cynical but bear in mind that before the current generation I would never have questioned the authority of the Gamecube as King of consoles. To this effect I couldn’t wait to get my hands on a brand, spanking new Wii come Christmas release time (even passing up the opportunity to sell it for £700 before I opened it), only to be greeted with the worst Zelda game I have ever played, and an extremely large selection of mediocre minigames. “It’s OK,” I thought to myself, “they’ll release some great games later on.” Bar a few exceptions (namely Galaxy – which I didn’t even like that much, and SSBB) this naïve presumption never actually came to fruition. This is ever so evident with the fact that my Wii is only ever used at present when I want to play a Gamecube game or my grandparents want to play “that game with the rabbits”. I couldn’t even play a goddamn  DVD on it if I wanted to, which I’m pretty sure I could do on my PS2 which I’ve had since two thousand and fucking one.

Apologies to any Nintendo fanboys out there but this anti-Nintendo rant does have some relevance to the 3DS. To expand on my previous point, it’s not that I have anything against companies looking to increase sales and market share, but I do have an issue when quality games are being almost completely replaced with games based on novel, but extremely shortlived, gimmicks designed to rope in traditional ‘non-gamers’. So could this be the same with 3DS? Sadly, I think it might be. There’s no need for games to be innovative when slapping 3D effects on them automatically makes them 'innovative'. Take Super Monkey Ball 3D for example – it’s exactly the same as the other Super Monkey Balls, except with added 3D effects and terrible minigames. 



 

In saying this, the original DS was based on the gimmick of touchscreen, and we've seen plenty of great releases since it's launch in 2004. Maybe I’m being too pessimistic when it comes to the 3DS and Nintendo, but it’s not without reason. I still have hope that the 3DS will create as much multiplayer fun that it’s predecessor did, and while Nintendo may have strayed with the Wii, they have managed to keep the balance between novelty cooking games and actual compelling gaming experiences on the DS, which may just carry on to be the case for the newly released 3DS.

#1 Edited by Danbo (191 posts) -

If someone asked me a year ago what I thought would be a new key feature for the next generation of handheld consoles, 3D would be the last thing on my mind. 3D and tiny screens, even 3D and videogames, are never two things I’ve related with each other. However, after seeing how 3D-filled 2010 was, being sported by countless films, the rise of 3D compatible TVs and subsequent 3D progams, it was certainly less surprising to see 3D as the next ‘logical’ step for enhancing the videogame experience.

      

And who better to bring about this step into the future of videogames than the company for bored moms and small kids everywhere– Nintendo! While it’s fair to say someone in the Nintendo building hit the nail firmly on the head for timing a jump onto the big money 3D bandwagon, it’s a nail I wish they didn’t hit. Not because I don’t want Nintendo to make some green, but because I fear they are once again going to be able to rely on a gimmick to sell their console rather than relying on making a great selection of quality games like they used to.

I sound cynical but bear in mind that before the current generation I would never have questioned the authority of the Gamecube as King of consoles. To this effect I couldn’t wait to get my hands on a brand, spanking new Wii come Christmas release time (even passing up the opportunity to sell it for £700 before I opened it), only to be greeted with the worst Zelda game I have ever played, and an extremely large selection of mediocre minigames. “It’s OK,” I thought to myself, “they’ll release some great games later on.” Bar a few exceptions (namely Galaxy – which I didn’t even like that much, and SSBB) this naïve presumption never actually came to fruition. This is ever so evident with the fact that my Wii is only ever used at present when I want to play a Gamecube game or my grandparents want to play “that game with the rabbits”. I couldn’t even play a goddamn  DVD on it if I wanted to, which I’m pretty sure I could do on my PS2 which I’ve had since two thousand and fucking one.

Apologies to any Nintendo fanboys out there but this anti-Nintendo rant does have some relevance to the 3DS. To expand on my previous point, it’s not that I have anything against companies looking to increase sales and market share, but I do have an issue when quality games are being almost completely replaced with games based on novel, but extremely shortlived, gimmicks designed to rope in traditional ‘non-gamers’. So could this be the same with 3DS? Sadly, I think it might be. There’s no need for games to be innovative when slapping 3D effects on them automatically makes them 'innovative'. Take Super Monkey Ball 3D for example – it’s exactly the same as the other Super Monkey Balls, except with added 3D effects and terrible minigames. 



 

In saying this, the original DS was based on the gimmick of touchscreen, and we've seen plenty of great releases since it's launch in 2004. Maybe I’m being too pessimistic when it comes to the 3DS and Nintendo, but it’s not without reason. I still have hope that the 3DS will create as much multiplayer fun that it’s predecessor did, and while Nintendo may have strayed with the Wii, they have managed to keep the balance between novelty cooking games and actual compelling gaming experiences on the DS, which may just carry on to be the case for the newly released 3DS.

#2 Posted by SuperSambo (2865 posts) -

The 3DS seems like a joke... The main attraction is a N64 game? Really? That is what they did with their last generation of handhelds!
 
Mobile phone gaming has taken over the handheld market. When you are on a bus or train, you dont want an indepth action packed game, just something to pass the time. How involved can you become in those short bursts? And if you are at home, why not just play a game on a console which would be better in every single way?
 
The only market that it seems useful for is long haul aeroplane flights or long car journeys, but this has been taken away by the 3 hour battery!

#3 Edited by Danbo (191 posts) -
@SuperSambo said:

" The 3DS seems like a joke... The main attraction is a N64 game? Really? That is what they did with their last generation of handhelds!    

They're best games on Wii/DS/3DS are those based on or are rereleases of those created in their glory days. Mario's great and all but surely there must be some creative minds at Nintendo who can create some new loveable characters? Like I said, Nintendo seem to be focussing on creating new gimmicks (like the pokemeter-esque stuff and the StreetPass) rather than great games, and when they do release great games they always seem to rely on their already established series/characters. 
#4 Posted by Juno500 (429 posts) -
@SuperSambo said:
"  And if you are at home, why not just play a game on a console which would be better in every single way? "
How are they better in every single way? I've much preferred the DS to any console this gen, and spend most of my time playing a DS at home.
#5 Posted by guthwulf (251 posts) -

"Obnoxious and misguided." At least you got that right. :)
 
Precious little about the 3DS, though. Can't really blame you for that, seeing it's been only out for a couple of days. I'm definitely interested, though, because the only thing that really bugged me about 3D so far were the glasses.

#6 Posted by Danbo (191 posts) -
@guthwulf said:
" "Obnoxious and misguided." At least you got that right. :) Precious little about the 3DS, though. Can't really blame you for that, seeing it's been only out for a couple of days. I'm definitely interested, though, because the only thing that really bugged me about 3D so far were the glasses. "
At least I admit to my imperfections ;)  Don't get me wrong though, I would love for Nintendo to prove me wrong. As you said it hasn't been out long yet, so it still has plenty of time to prove itself.
#7 Posted by SuperSambo (2865 posts) -
@Juno500 said:
" @SuperSambo said:
"  And if you are at home, why not just play a game on a console which would be better in every single way? "
How are they better in every single way? I've much preferred the DS to any console this gen, and spend most of my time playing a DS at home. "
Anything that can be done on a handheld can be done better on a console.
#8 Posted by LordXavierBritish (6320 posts) -
@Danbo said:
" @SuperSambo said:

" The 3DS seems like a joke... The main attraction is a N64 game? Really? That is what they did with their last generation of handhelds!    

They're best games on Wii/DS/3DS are those based on or are rereleases of those created in their glory days. Mario's great and all but surely there must be some creative minds at Nintendo who can create some new loveable characters? Like I said, Nintendo seem to be focussing on creating new gimmicks (like the pokemeter-esque stuff and the StreetPass) rather than great games, and when they do release great games they always seem to rely on their already established series/characters.  "
You act like first party publishers are still the people making worthwhile franchises.
#9 Posted by SuperSambo (2865 posts) -
@LordXavierBritish said:
" @Danbo said:
" @SuperSambo said:

" The 3DS seems like a joke... The main attraction is a N64 game? Really? That is what they did with their last generation of handhelds!    

They're best games on Wii/DS/3DS are those based on or are rereleases of those created in their glory days. Mario's great and all but surely there must be some creative minds at Nintendo who can create some new loveable characters? Like I said, Nintendo seem to be focussing on creating new gimmicks (like the pokemeter-esque stuff and the StreetPass) rather than great games, and when they do release great games they always seem to rely on their already established series/characters.  "
You act like first party publishers are still the people making worthwhile franchises. "
So who for Nintendo is making the worthwhile franchises?
#10 Posted by LordXavierBritish (6320 posts) -
@SuperSambo said:
" @LordXavierBritish said:
" @Danbo said:
" @SuperSambo said:

" The 3DS seems like a joke... The main attraction is a N64 game? Really? That is what they did with their last generation of handhelds!    

They're best games on Wii/DS/3DS are those based on or are rereleases of those created in their glory days. Mario's great and all but surely there must be some creative minds at Nintendo who can create some new loveable characters? Like I said, Nintendo seem to be focussing on creating new gimmicks (like the pokemeter-esque stuff and the StreetPass) rather than great games, and when they do release great games they always seem to rely on their already established series/characters.  "
You act like first party publishers are still the people making worthwhile franchises. "
So who for Nintendo is making the worthwhile franchises? "
On the DS? Capcom. 
 
Atlus has but out a lot of good shit too. 
 
Square. 
 
A bunch of other people.
#11 Posted by Juno500 (429 posts) -
@SuperSambo said:
" @Juno500 said:
" @SuperSambo said:
"  And if you are at home, why not just play a game on a console which would be better in every single way? "
How are they better in every single way? I've much preferred the DS to any console this gen, and spend most of my time playing a DS at home. "
Anything that can be done on a handheld can be done better on a console. "
The fact that they could be done better on a console doesn't necessarily mean that they are being done better on a console. For my money the RPGs on consoles this gen have been far outclassed by those on the handhelds, and that's why I spend so much time on them, even when at home and with easy access to my consoles.
#12 Posted by Danbo (191 posts) -
@LordXavierBritish said:
" @Danbo said:
" @SuperSambo said:

" The 3DS seems like a joke... The main attraction is a N64 game? Really? That is what they did with their last generation of handhelds!    

They're best games on Wii/DS/3DS are those based on or are rereleases of those created in their glory days. Mario's great and all but surely there must be some creative minds at Nintendo who can create some new loveable characters? Like I said, Nintendo seem to be focussing on creating new gimmicks (like the pokemeter-esque stuff and the StreetPass) rather than great games, and when they do release great games they always seem to rely on their already established series/characters.  "
You act like first party publishers are still the people making worthwhile franchises. "
For me, Nintendo ARE the only ones making worthwhile games on Nintendo consoles.
#13 Posted by Juno500 (429 posts) -
@Danbo said:
" @LordXavierBritish said:
" @Danbo said:
" @SuperSambo said:

" The 3DS seems like a joke... The main attraction is a N64 game? Really? That is what they did with their last generation of handhelds!    

They're best games on Wii/DS/3DS are those based on or are rereleases of those created in their glory days. Mario's great and all but surely there must be some creative minds at Nintendo who can create some new loveable characters? Like I said, Nintendo seem to be focussing on creating new gimmicks (like the pokemeter-esque stuff and the StreetPass) rather than great games, and when they do release great games they always seem to rely on their already established series/characters.  "
You act like first party publishers are still the people making worthwhile franchises. "
For me, Nintendo ARE the only ones making worthwhile games on Nintendo consoles. "
Then you're missing out on a lot of great DS games.
#14 Edited by Kjellm87 (1728 posts) -

 Nintendo has always been gimmicky, but it is in this time and age their crazy ideas actually works, when used right motion controls works, as seen in Galaxy.
Besides 3D is just a selling point, the 3ds is a more powerful machine than DS..
I can agree on them making more new characters, new IPs is made I guess but never become as popular.
 
Then again I always welcome a new Mario game, 
because I know when Mario is involved Nintendo can't aford to mess around.
 
What Wii has been lacking is good 3rd party support, which I hope will not be the case with 3DS, Ds did well on that I think.

#15 Posted by Danbo (191 posts) -
@Juno500 said:
" @Danbo said:
" @LordXavierBritish said:
" @Danbo said:
" @SuperSambo said:

" The 3DS seems like a joke... The main attraction is a N64 game? Really? That is what they did with their last generation of handhelds!    

They're best games on Wii/DS/3DS are those based on or are rereleases of those created in their glory days. Mario's great and all but surely there must be some creative minds at Nintendo who can create some new loveable characters? Like I said, Nintendo seem to be focussing on creating new gimmicks (like the pokemeter-esque stuff and the StreetPass) rather than great games, and when they do release great games they always seem to rely on their already established series/characters.  "
You act like first party publishers are still the people making worthwhile franchises. "
For me, Nintendo ARE the only ones making worthwhile games on Nintendo consoles. "
Then you're missing out on a lot of great DS games. "
OK sorry that was my bad, maybe not the only ones, the point I was trying to get across is that in this case the first party publishers are making some of the best games, which LordXavier was suggesting otherwise. As I said in my blog, I DO think the DS is a great console with compelling games, and that was the reason I still have some hope for the 3DS despite my other preconceptions. 
#16 Posted by el_tajij (711 posts) -
@Danbo:  I couldn't agree more with the whole remaining skeptical about 3D thing. It just seems like all these companies are going "HEY GUYS CHECK IT OUT, THIS IS NEW AND EXCITING, RIGHT? RIGHT!? Look check it out our new handheld is COMPLETELY BASED around SUPER AWESOME 3D GAMES!"
 
Hey Nintendo, how about releasing a hand-held where the AMAZING NEW feature is that 98% of the catalog of games AREN'T completely shit?
#17 Posted by Kjellm87 (1728 posts) -
@el_tajij:  DS' launch games was worse, and the 3D is optional. The machine itself is more powerful
#18 Posted by el_tajij (711 posts) -
@Kjellm87: I guess what I'm saying is, I hope they don't go the way of the Wii. Because I should say, I really really love my DS - there are some of the best titles in the last decade on that handheld. But on the Wii, personally, SSBB is really the only game that has held my attention on the console and I've had mine for 3 years. I dunno, it just seems so exhausting to have to wade through all these shitty games that both flood and are promoted for the Wii to find the decent stuff it just seems to sour the whole console.
 
I really hope the 3DS stays away from that and there isn't a total (right, our game has 3D in it, LET'S GET IT OUT THE DOOR!) half finished feel to the games for it.
#19 Posted by Kjellm87 (1728 posts) -
@el_tajij: 
Yeah I see your points, but I feel it will be fine. 
The Wii was a difficult console for developers beside Nintendo to make expensive games for , it required some risk. 
I don't think 3DS will have that problem.