#1 Edited by Demoskinos (15107 posts) -

So this is going to change how people use twitch. Basically the tl;dr of it is they are removing past broadcasts entirely. The past broadcasts can be made into highlights that WILL be saved forever or exported.

ALL archives of past broadcasts WILL be deleted in the coming weeks! So export your most cherished videos now! You can read the whole blog here: http://blog.twitch.tv/2014/08/update-changes-to-vods-on-twitch/

#2 Edited by Kung_Fu_Viking (717 posts) -

Really the TL;DR is that past broadcasts will still be a thing, but they will only be retained for up to 14 days (60 if you're a turbo/partner user). You won't be able to save them forever (Unless you manually archive them yourself of course). Highlights can still be made and those are kept forever.

#3 Posted by CornBREDX (5838 posts) -

Makes sense. It was kind of shocking that they've saved all this video of people life streaming, and other insanity.

The people who recorded that stuff should save it if they really care. That's a lot of space to use up.

#4 Edited by MooseyMcMan (11454 posts) -
#5 Edited by Lego_My_Eggo (1068 posts) -

That kinda sucks, but not really unexpected. Well better get to watching some of those old Giant Bomb video shenanigans that aren't on this site.

#6 Posted by I_Stay_Puft (3705 posts) -

There's also that content the staff did on their personal twitch channels. Sad to see those go as well.

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#7 Posted by BisonHero (6815 posts) -

Oh man, all those Divekick eSports Hours. I'm gonna miss 'em.

#8 Posted by Aviar (446 posts) -

Anything I have ever done on twitch I save locally while I'm streaming and then produce it up to YouTube. I've never really thought of twitch being a "placeholder" for my past videos, I have always considered it just more of my live channel place.

It's interesting that they would be doing this considering that most of the content will just end up on YouTube anyway. About the only reason I can think of them doing this is to just clean up twitch from any sort of liability from copyright claims before Google does take over. I wonder if once Google does take them over, if this would ever change, or if they are going to try to keep Twitch content and YouTube content that separate.

#9 Posted by AndrewB (7686 posts) -

It's a good thing I literally just started streaming on Twitch, apparently...

I mean, everything I have is archived locally because online services come and go all the time and I figured this would happen eventually, but I liked the idea that if someone wanted to watch a full, unedited stream, they could do so at any point.

It still sounds to me like anyone can make a highlight of any length, thereby just manually "highlighting" entire videos for the purpose of "permanent" archival. But then I guess the idea is to transfer those over to Youtube and the Google overlords for monetization.

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#10 Posted by Lego_My_Eggo (1068 posts) -

@andrewb: Im not sure if there leaving that option open for the three weeks before they delete everything as a loophole, but highlights are limited to two hours now, so anything longer then that would need multiple highlights. The only option for a full length archive is exporting to YouTube it looks like.

Now im wondering if all the Extra Life and Child's Play events are archived on here, gana have to do some searching when im not feeling lazy.

#11 Posted by MooseyMcMan (11454 posts) -

@bisonhero: I'm pretty sure those are all uploaded to Iron Galaxy's YouTube. Pretty sure.

#12 Posted by Szlifier (508 posts) -

So who is going to transfer old TNTs and other wierd shit from GB twitch channel to YouTube? If it's done already then I would love to have the link so I could replace all of these.

#13 Posted by BradBrains (1146 posts) -

Sucks but makes sense. Archiving all those multi hour streams can't be cheap

#14 Posted by spraynardtatum (3521 posts) -

Maybe they can just do this and not sell out to Google?

#15 Edited by spraynardtatum (3521 posts) -
#16 Posted by BigJeffrey (5147 posts) -

RIP

#17 Edited by AMyggen (3530 posts) -
@spraynardtatum said:

aaaannnnnnnd also a giant policy change regarding audio.....

it's safe to say that google bought Twitch I think...

Damn.

They've already muted several GTA streams because of in-game music, the first 48 or so minutes of this stream with only in-game music etc. It seems like Google's robot is going about this with a fucking sledgehammer instead of a scalpel.

But good thing, I was gonna watch a 4 hour DOTA stream to listen to some random song while someone talks over it instead of buying the song on itunes. So they're really fixing a problem here.

Even Lord Helix isn't safe.

#18 Edited by Milkman (17201 posts) -

"We respect the rights of copyright owners, and are voluntarily undertaking this effort to help protect both our broadcasters and copyright owners."

"voluntarily undertaking this effort to help protect both our broadcasters and copyright owners."

"voluntarily"

#19 Edited by Bollard (5763 posts) -

The audio policy change is fucking outrageous:

http://blog.twitch.tv/2014/08/3136/

They are COMPLETELY MUTING 30 minutes either side of ANY COPYRIGHTED AUDIO. Guess what? You streaming a GTA game? Well now your VOD is 90% fucking silence. This is beyond draconian, this is ridiculous.

They have to go back on this, they have to. Everyone I know from the #gta speedrunning community will probably migrate. I mean, who wants to run a GTA game only listening to VCPR or KCHAT?

EDIT: I didn't even touch on what the ludicrous 2 hour highlight limit does to RPG runners. Enjoyed Chrono Trigger speedruns at AGDQ? Not on Twitch you don't.

#20 Posted by Irvandus (2886 posts) -

All of this just seems like the worst.

#21 Edited by CornBREDX (5838 posts) -
@spraynardtatum said:

aaaannnnnnnd also a giant policy change regarding audio.....

it's safe to say that google bought Twitch I think...

Damn.

Not really an indication of anything. Twitch has been manually taking down/banning/removing streams with copyright infringing music for years now. They seem to be attempting to streamline the process now that they're growing.

Blame the litigious music industry you guys. It's not twitch's fault, nor game developers (or even publishers for the most part).

This is also important to note: Audio Recognition will only be run against audio in VODs. We are not scanning live broadcasts and there is no automated takedown of live content.

#22 Edited by Marokai (3115 posts) -

@irvandus said:

All of this just seems like the worst.

Yeah, this is kind of heartbreaking. So much content is just going to be lost forever and will cripple aspects of the site for good. This is atrocious.

I feel like I should just buy more hard drives and start ripping every fucking thing I like these days before it's inevitably lost to time.

#23 Edited by Demoskinos (15107 posts) -

Well awesome all that PS4/XBone streaming capability is now fucking useless due to this new system. Draconian Copyright laws win again. Was fun while it lasted. Oh.... also... this:

#24 Posted by Bollard (5763 posts) -
#25 Edited by Demoskinos (15107 posts) -

Gonna be fantastic when streams are getting flagged/muted during extra life you know when people are raising money for charity for sick kids. Good job Twitch.

#26 Posted by Wikitoups (870 posts) -

Press spacebar twice over the affected position.

#27 Posted by CornBREDX (5838 posts) -

@wikitoups: If that is true, it wont be for long now that you've highlighted it.

@demoskinos: This doesn't affect live broadcasts so a charity stream will not be affected other than when it is archived.

#28 Edited by spraynardtatum (3521 posts) -

@cornbredx said:
@spraynardtatum said:

aaaannnnnnnd also a giant policy change regarding audio.....

it's safe to say that google bought Twitch I think...

Damn.

Not really an indication of anything. Twitch has been manually taking down/banning/removing streams with copyright infringing music for years now. They seem to be attempting to streamline the process now that they're growing.

Blame the litigious music industry you guys. It's not twitch's fault, nor game developers (or even publishers for the most part).

This is also important to note: Audio Recognition will only be run against audio in VODs. We are not scanning live broadcasts and there is no automated takedown of live content.

The bolded statement means dick. It's terrible as it is. Also, it is Twitchs fault. They did it, I don't think it only falls on the ones who are pressuring them. They're accountable for their actions.

#29 Posted by Demoskinos (15107 posts) -

@wikitoups: If that is true, it wont be for long now that you've highlighted it.

@demoskinos: This doesn't affect live broadcasts so a charity stream will not be affected other than when it is archived.

There are already reports of live streams being muted. See above tweet I posted.

#30 Edited by CornBREDX (5838 posts) -

@spraynardtatum: It made itself bold, just so you know. I didn't.

Anyway just saying, the live broadcast is still unaffected. This is important- to live broadcasts. People are already confusing this and archives (only thing affected is archives).

@demoskinos: if they are then that is a bug and is not part of their supposed new policy.

Just to be clear, I am not standing up for this move, but I don't blame Twitch for it. The music industry has been shady and hated the internets practices of sharing for a very long time now. Ya'll remember that web cartoon: Napster Bad. Ya...

#31 Posted by Boboblaw (325 posts) -

This is just plain depressing. Also since they killed Justin.tv I really wouldn't be surprised if Twitch became an all encompassing streaming service not just for games. That also sucks, but has yet to happen so I'll keep my hopes up.

#32 Posted by Giganteus (194 posts) -

Twitch has muted its own official channel.

http://www.twitch.tv/twitch/c/4691978

A good indicator of a fine system they've implemented.

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#33 Edited by CornBREDX (5838 posts) -

@giganteus: Ya, I saw that on that tweet someone posted. It's very funny. (The one that says "IM DEAD")

#34 Posted by spraynardtatum (3521 posts) -

Fuck Google. There I said it.

#35 Edited by GorillaMoPena (2285 posts) -

Time for another streaming service to rise and then eventually have this happen and the cycle will go forever

#36 Posted by syz (252 posts) -

This went to shit faster than I expected.

#37 Posted by GaspoweR (3369 posts) -
#38 Posted by ThunderSlash (1909 posts) -

Well this is pretty bad. I haven't finished watching all of the EVO archives yet!

#39 Posted by AlexW00d (6389 posts) -

People use Twitch to watch past streams?

#40 Posted by Baillie (4279 posts) -

This kinda sucks for the speed running community.

#41 Posted by spraynardtatum (3521 posts) -