British Accent Clarification

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#1  Edited By matthew

So I'm watching Casino Royal.   
 
I just wanted some clarity on the issue - do those British speaking persons pronounce "ma'am" like "mum?" 
 
Daniel Craig is British (from what I understand) so its not like he's a bloody American butchering the wonderful tongue or anything...

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#2  Edited By LiquidPrince

Are you sure you're watching Casino Royale, or Quantum of Solace? Mitchel from Quantum sounded like he said mum when he said ma'am.

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#3  Edited By matthew
@LiquidPrince: Nah, it's Casino.  Specific moment I'm talking about is when Bond is in M's room.  She tells him to leave, he says "yes ma'am."  It just sounds terribly close to "mum," which is what I hear those across the pond they refer to their momma as.
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#4  Edited By MrSnow

Mum mammy ma maw{the correct spelling of the ma that pakie calls his ma in Gta 4}. its all good and by ma'am i presume you mean madam. Its rude to shorthen a titile.
 
But to the question in hand no idea google it.

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#5  Edited By Linkyshinks

No, it's pronounced - "marm"  
 
Ma'am is a respectful address which is only used when addressing females of seniority. 

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#6  Edited By gamer_152  Moderator

Okay, just for a little extra clarification on this there is no such thing as "British speaking persons". Craig is from England and so has a typical English accent but Great Britain also includes Scotland and Wales with both the Scottish and the Welsh having very distinctively different accents and that's without even getting into the details of the various different regional accents.

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#7  Edited By brndedhero

It is pronounced 'Marm' as Linkyshinks said and Gamer_152 is right about the huge variety of accents within the UK, so saying British accent is like me saying American accent when I know that people from say Washington for example sounds nothing like someone from Alabama, talk to someone from Yorkshire and they sound like they're from a completely different country to someone from London even though you can drive there in around 3 or 4 hours

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#8  Edited By raidingkvatch

ma'am is correctly pronounced mahm, anyone pronouncing it any other way is worng.
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#9  Edited By Griddler
@Gamer_152 said:
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Okay, just for a little extra clarification on this there is no such thing as "British speaking persons". Craig is from England and so has an English accent but Great Britain also includes Scotland and Wales with both the Scottish and the Welsh having very distinctively different accents.

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Yeah totally, it seems that all Americans will call someone's English accent a British accent, but a Scottish for example will be called a Scottish accent. Even though they're from Britain too.
 
And to OP it's pronounced 'Mahm'
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#10  Edited By LiquidElite

Ah bonds quintessential British oxford accent... marm is more slang its not officially a word 
its is an american mispronounciation of the term ma'am, which in turn is an English colloquial derivative of the English term of address "madam" 

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#11  Edited By penguindust

You want hear some great  accents?  Go see a few Guy Ritchie movies.  I suggest Snatch, although Brad Pitt isn't really a Brit.  But, this guy is a real "pikey".  Rex Harrison remarked that the Yanks hadn't been using the mother tongue for years, but it was Eliza Doolittle who offended his ears most of all.   As Gamer_152 said, a country can have many dialects so you can't assume that any one actor represents for an entire people.  Look at Michael Caine and Hugh Grant.  Both are Londoners but both sound very different when speaking.

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#12  Edited By Binman88
@PenguinDust said:
"But, this guy is a real "pikey"."
Before anyone is misled by that video, that's a stong Northern Irish accent spoken by a Belfast man. Nothing "pikey" about it.
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#13  Edited By L33tfella_H

i always thought they jokingly referred to her as 'mum' in the film intentionally. She certainly knows how to act like Daniel Craig's mum, that's for sure.

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#14  Edited By penguindust
@Binman88:   Then the video title is misleading.  I stand corrected.  Which then leads me to ask, what does a "pikey" sound like?
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#15  Edited By MysteriousBob
@Matthew said:
" So I'm watching Casino Royal.    I just wanted some clarity on the issue - do those British speaking persons pronounce "ma'am" like "mum?"  Daniel Craig is British (from what I understand) so its not like he's a bloody American butchering the wonderful tongue or anything... "
For God's sake, Britain also includes Scotland and Wales. Its not a god damn synonym for "English". And there's more than one type of English accent. Be more specific.
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#16  Edited By Jimbo

Yeah I'm pretty sure in the part you're talking about he actually does say 'mum' (as in mother), as a joke.  She just got done telling him off right?

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#17  Edited By Lucidforest

Scottish here. When referring to my mother I use the word "Mum" as most Scottish people do. The word "Ma'am" is short for "Madam" and I can tell you that we never really use either of those for anyone. 

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#18  Edited By Binman88
@PenguinDust said:

" @Binman88:   Then the video title is misleading.  I stand corrected.  Which then leads me to ask, what does a "pikey" sound like? "

This is the best example I could find, particularly the guy on the left:
 
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#19  Edited By turbomonkey138

...there is not British accent . Its a English accent .

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#20  Edited By Oriental_Jams

Well, I say Ma'am as it's spelled. Also, we all know the Queen.

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#21  Edited By Jwkokosmakroon

Dunglish FTW!
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#22  Edited By MrTea
@brndedhero: LOL You say American accent as a US only accent, but America is a continent with many languages. We have spanish and portuguese for example. America is not a country, The United States is a country that is part of America, the continent
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#23  Edited By JonathanMoore
@MrTea said:
" @brndedhero: LOL You say American accent as a US only accent, but America is a continent with many languages. We have spanish and portuguese for example. America is not a country, The United States is a country that is part of America, the continent "
General American is known as an accent. Where as "General British" is not because people have been situated in Britain for a long time and thus have gained many many different accents as a result. No need to overcomplicate things, it's just General American makes more sense than general British.
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#24  Edited By GreyFox

In Crysis Warhead, Psycho pronounced it the same way.

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#25  Edited By matthew
@Jimbo: Yep, just finished telling him never to break into her house again. 
 
@MysteriousBob: To be more specific, it's the accent Daniel Craig has in the movie Casino Royal. 
 
@MrTea: I've got a couple friends here at school from Brazil and Columbia who have traveled abroad, and South America is never referred to as America.  Canadians don't really say they're from America either.  From what I hear, we're referred to as The States or America(ns). 
 
@Gamer_152:
 Yea, I know there are tons of different accents, dialects, etc. over on the islands.  I was just referring to British as those not from America. 
 
@LiquidElite:
 I think out of all the posts here, you came the closest to answering the question.  Much thanks.  Also, welcome to the Bomb!  Hope you find your stay, users, and the staff welcoming and interesting enough for you to stick around!
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@Jimbo said:
" Yeah I'm pretty sure in the part you're talking about he actually does say 'mum' (as in mother), as a joke.  She just got done telling him off right? "
Yeah, I thought so as well. Given the unique love-hate relationship between M and Bond, I can totally see him calling her "mum", jokingly.
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#27  Edited By penguindust
@Binman88:   Thanks for the example.  That's not at all what I had thought.
 
If anyone is interested, "General American" is actually Nebraskan.  There are plenty of different region dialects here which might or might not be apparent to a non-North American ear.  For example the Minnesota accent was popularized in the movie Fargo.  Then there is Brooklynese, Bostonian and several grades of drawl to Southern accents including the Cajun accent which has additional French traces.
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#28  Edited By EvilTwin
@JonathanMoore said:
" @MrTea said:
" @brndedhero: LOL You say American accent as a US only accent, but America is a continent with many languages. We have spanish and portuguese for example. America is not a country, The United States is a country that is part of America, the continent "
General American is known as an accent. Where as "General British" is not because people have been situated in Britain for a long time and thus have gained many many different accents as a result. No need to overcomplicate things, it's just General American makes more sense than general British. "
Isn't it everyone else who is over complicating things?  If you're going to live by semantics, then you will die by them as well.
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#29  Edited By Philbuster

I always thought it was pronounced "mum" and the first time I noticed it was on farscape where captain brace referred to commandant grayza as "mum" .

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#30  Edited By brndedhero
@MrTea: Then that makes it an even better example than I originally intended as Britain is made up of 4 countries England, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales where the Welsh have their own language as well as islands such as the falklans (near Argentina) and Gibraltar (near Spain). The point I was making was that saying British accent is as inaccurate as saying American accent.
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In the movieCasino Royale, Bond is saying "ma'am," but pronouncing it "mum."   It can be pronounced either to rhyme with "jam" or as "mum," or somewhere a bit in-between, with the "a" more like an "ah" or an "ow" - I believe you will find all variants in different parts of the UK.  I'm not sure what the breakdown is in terms of region/class on that though...I get the impression that Bond is intentionally pronouncing the "mum" more than he normally wood to put a double-meaning on the word and maybe needle M a bit. 
 
Also, Ma'am is totally  acceptable as a term of respect...for example, the Monarchy's official guidelines for addressing the Queen say you should "Your Majesty" when first introduced and "ma'am" afterward in the coversation.
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#32  Edited By JonathanMoore
@EvilTwin said:
" @JonathanMoore said:
" @MrTea said:
" @brndedhero: LOL You say American accent as a US only accent, but America is a continent with many languages. We have spanish and portuguese for example. America is not a country, The United States is a country that is part of America, the continent "
General American is known as an accent. Where as "General British" is not because people have been situated in Britain for a long time and thus have gained many many different accents as a result. No need to overcomplicate things, it's just General American makes more sense than general British. "
Isn't it everyone else who is over complicating things?  If you're going to live by semantics, then you will die by them as well. "
OK, in this case for the sake of convenience it would be easier to just say American.
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#33  Edited By GreggD
@raidingkvatch said:
" ma'am is correctly pronounced mahm, anyone pronouncing it any other way is worng.
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I pronounce it "mayum". Does that make me wrong, or am I just an over-pronunciator?
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#34  Edited By matthew
@Gooddoggy: You nailed it.  I mean, as far as I know.   
 
+1 GiantBomb to you good sir.
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#35  Edited By aaox

As for accents, I'm quite proud of my relatively Oxford English accent. On topic, Mum is, as I'm sure you know, shorthand for Mother, which despite having an 'O' in there is pronounced like it has a 'U' instead. So I suppose that's where it comes from. Ma'am... I haven't heard that in ages. Probably since I last watched Casino Royale.

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#36  Edited By raidingkvatch
@GreggD: I am afraid that makes you incorrect sir.
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#37  Edited By GreggD
@raidingkvatch: Not really, but you're entitled to your opinion.
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#38  Edited By raidingkvatch
@GreggD: To be perfectly serious about it I don't think it really matters, there's bound to be variation in pronunciation due to accents etc. the world would be very dull if we all spoke the Queen's English (I know I don't).
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#39  Edited By GreggD
@raidingkvatch: Exactly.
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#40  Edited By assatm

Yeh I always find it a bit strange Americans always call it the British Accent, and call us British, when we never refer to ourselves as that, English, Scottish and Welsh etc, is just a lot more specific, and easier to tell where someone comes from then, much more than just a British accent and living in Britain for example :p

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It's pronounce marm

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#42  Edited By Rowr

mum and ma'am are kind of different words.