So I'm watching Casino Royal.
I just wanted some clarity on the issue - do those British speaking persons pronounce "ma'am" like "mum?"
Daniel Craig is British (from what I understand) so its not like he's a bloody American butchering the wonderful tongue or anything...
British Accent Clarification
Are you sure you're watching Casino Royale, or Quantum of Solace? Mitchel from Quantum sounded like he said mum when he said ma'am.
No, it's pronounced - "marm"
Ma'am is a respectful address which is only used when addressing females of seniority.
Okay, just for a little extra clarification on this there is no such thing as "British speaking persons". Craig is from England and so has a typical English accent but Great Britain also includes Scotland and Wales with both the Scottish and the Welsh having very distinctively different accents and that's without even getting into the details of the various different regional accents.
It is pronounced 'Marm' as Linkyshinks said and Gamer_152 is right about the huge variety of accents within the UK, so saying British accent is like me saying American accent when I know that people from say Washington for example sounds nothing like someone from Alabama, talk to someone from Yorkshire and they sound like they're from a completely different country to someone from London even though you can drive there in around 3 or 4 hours
ma'am is correctly pronounced mahm, anyone pronouncing it any other way is worng.
So Says The Leader
"Yeah totally, it seems that all Americans will call someone's English accent a British accent, but a Scottish for example will be called a Scottish accent. Even though they're from Britain too.Okay, just for a little extra clarification on this there is no such thing as "British speaking persons". Craig is from England and so has an English accent but Great Britain also includes Scotland and Wales with both the Scottish and the Welsh having very distinctively different accents.
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And to OP it's pronounced 'Mahm'
Ah bonds quintessential British oxford accent... marm is more slang its not officially a word
its is an american mispronounciation of the term ma'am, which in turn is an English colloquial derivative of the English term of address "madam"
You want hear some great accents? Go see a few Guy Ritchie movies. I suggest Snatch, although Brad Pitt isn't really a Brit. But, this guy is a real "pikey". Rex Harrison remarked that the Yanks hadn't been using the mother tongue for years, but it was Eliza Doolittle who offended his ears most of all. As Gamer_152 said, a country can have many dialects so you can't assume that any one actor represents for an entire people. Look at Michael Caine and Hugh Grant. Both are Londoners but both sound very different when speaking.
i always thought they jokingly referred to her as 'mum' in the film intentionally. She certainly knows how to act like Daniel Craig's mum, that's for sure.
" So I'm watching Casino Royal. I just wanted some clarity on the issue - do those British speaking persons pronounce "ma'am" like "mum?" Daniel Craig is British (from what I understand) so its not like he's a bloody American butchering the wonderful tongue or anything... "For God's sake, Britain also includes Scotland and Wales. Its not a god damn synonym for "English". And there's more than one type of English accent. Be more specific.
Scottish here. When referring to my mother I use the word "Mum" as most Scottish people do. The word "Ma'am" is short for "Madam" and I can tell you that we never really use either of those for anyone.
" @brndedhero: LOL You say American accent as a US only accent, but America is a continent with many languages. We have spanish and portuguese for example. America is not a country, The United States is a country that is part of America, the continent "General American is known as an accent. Where as "General British" is not because people have been situated in Britain for a long time and thus have gained many many different accents as a result. No need to overcomplicate things, it's just General American makes more sense than general British.
@MysteriousBob: To be more specific, it's the accent Daniel Craig has in the movie Casino Royal.
@MrTea: I've got a couple friends here at school from Brazil and Columbia who have traveled abroad, and South America is never referred to as America. Canadians don't really say they're from America either. From what I hear, we're referred to as The States or America(ns).
@Gamer_152: Yea, I know there are tons of different accents, dialects, etc. over on the islands. I was just referring to British as those not from America.
@LiquidElite: I think out of all the posts here, you came the closest to answering the question. Much thanks. Also, welcome to the Bomb! Hope you find your stay, users, and the staff welcoming and interesting enough for you to stick around!
" Yeah I'm pretty sure in the part you're talking about he actually does say 'mum' (as in mother), as a joke. She just got done telling him off right? "Yeah, I thought so as well. Given the unique love-hate relationship between M and Bond, I can totally see him calling her "mum", jokingly.
If anyone is interested, "General American" is actually Nebraskan. There are plenty of different region dialects here which might or might not be apparent to a non-North American ear. For example the Minnesota accent was popularized in the movie Fargo. Then there is Brooklynese, Bostonian and several grades of drawl to Southern accents including the Cajun accent which has additional French traces.
" @MrTea said:Isn't it everyone else who is over complicating things? If you're going to live by semantics, then you will die by them as well." @brndedhero: LOL You say American accent as a US only accent, but America is a continent with many languages. We have spanish and portuguese for example. America is not a country, The United States is a country that is part of America, the continent "General American is known as an accent. Where as "General British" is not because people have been situated in Britain for a long time and thus have gained many many different accents as a result. No need to overcomplicate things, it's just General American makes more sense than general British. "
I always thought it was pronounced "mum" and the first time I noticed it was on farscape where captain brace referred to commandant grayza as "mum" .
In the movieCasino Royale, Bond is saying "ma'am," but pronouncing it "mum." It can be pronounced either to rhyme with "jam" or as "mum," or somewhere a bit in-between, with the "a" more like an "ah" or an "ow" - I believe you will find all variants in different parts of the UK. I'm not sure what the breakdown is in terms of region/class on that though...I get the impression that Bond is intentionally pronouncing the "mum" more than he normally wood to put a double-meaning on the word and maybe needle M a bit.
Also, Ma'am is totally acceptable as a term of respect...for example, the Monarchy's official guidelines for addressing the Queen say you should "Your Majesty" when first introduced and "ma'am" afterward in the coversation.
" @JonathanMoore said:OK, in this case for the sake of convenience it would be easier to just say American." @MrTea said:Isn't it everyone else who is over complicating things? If you're going to live by semantics, then you will die by them as well. "" @brndedhero: LOL You say American accent as a US only accent, but America is a continent with many languages. We have spanish and portuguese for example. America is not a country, The United States is a country that is part of America, the continent "General American is known as an accent. Where as "General British" is not because people have been situated in Britain for a long time and thus have gained many many different accents as a result. No need to overcomplicate things, it's just General American makes more sense than general British. "
As for accents, I'm quite proud of my relatively Oxford English accent. On topic, Mum is, as I'm sure you know, shorthand for Mother, which despite having an 'O' in there is pronounced like it has a 'U' instead. So I suppose that's where it comes from. Ma'am... I haven't heard that in ages. Probably since I last watched Casino Royale.
Yeh I always find it a bit strange Americans always call it the British Accent, and call us British, when we never refer to ourselves as that, English, Scottish and Welsh etc, is just a lot more specific, and easier to tell where someone comes from then, much more than just a British accent and living in Britain for example :p
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