5 iterations of Halo and still no improvements to their lacking vehicle control scheme...

I've always liked the warthog controls.  In the tank where you can shoot while driving the left analog stick controls the movement, while the right stick controls the aim... so they do have those kinds of controls where it's needed.  Otherwise, when you're just driving a warthog, it's fun to slide the back end out.  And in the ghost it seems to work because you have to turn to aim. 

I can agree on some level with you when it comes to absorbing heaps of damage in vehicles, it's pretty strange when you think about it. As for controlling the vehicles, I have no issues with that. I mean, have you flown the Banshee, or driven the Chopper in H3? Works perfectly fine. It just so happens that the Warthog lacks weaponry for the driver, which makes sense too.

I dont mean this to sound sarcastic, I just don't play as many FPS as I used to, but what are other FPS games have good vehicle controls, or those better than the way bungie does it in halo?

because they are fine.

I LOVE the way vehicles control in Halo. Mmmmm so good

Hm.. I don't know i kind of thought the vehicle controls were functional enough, Also it seems that most of your complaints regarding driving and gunning are mostly related to the Warthog.. there's a lot of other vehicles that control much better for shooting and driving. 
 
Oh and taking more damage from oncoming fire than the thing you're driving is pretty stupid i agree with that.

Tank is the only vehicle you need to look around while driving, warthog and mongoose are too fast and if you are driving you cant do anything else, you don't sit in your car not facing the road all the time. Any vehicle with guns can be driven in any direction while looking in another ie. everything other than the mongoose and warthog.

It's by design mate. It makes sense with the way the cars behave. I've actually played a Combat Evolved mod that lets you do that, and fuck me is it terrible.  
 
Also, why don't you just coop that shit? I agree with the AI being a pain with the driving a lot of the time, but thats what coop is for. That isn't bungie's fault, that is just a fact of AI. They can only be so good.

Maybe you just suck at driving. I don't have a problem with the vehicles.

Vehicle controls in Halo are brilliant, you're a fool to think otherwise.

" I dont mean this to sound sarcastic, I just don't play as many FPS as I used to, but what are other FPS games have good vehicle controls, or those better than the way bungie does it in halo? "

" I've always liked the warthog controls.  In the tank where you can shoot while driving the left analog stick controls the movement, while the right stick controls the aim... so they do have those kinds of controls where it's needed.  Otherwise, when you're just driving a warthog, it's fun to slide the back end out.  And in the ghost it seems to work because you have to turn to aim.  "

" Tank is the only vehicle you need to look around while driving, warthog and mongoose are too fast and if you are driving you cant do anything else, you don't sit in your car not facing the road all the time. Any vehicle with guns can be driven in any direction while looking in another. "

" Vehicle controls in Halo are brilliant, you're a fool to think otherwise. "

" Vehicle controls in Halo are brilliant, you're a fool to think otherwise. "

took me a minute or two to get used to driving the warthog again but after that, its a totally fine control scheme, fun even. 
  
i may be  remember this wrong, but i thought the previous Halo games allowed some machine gunning and not just the big cannon while driving the tank. 
(always loved any tank mission.) 

I'm adamant this is by design and not a flaw of the controls. Personally I've always felt like all of Bungie's vehicles have felt exactly like they should do when driven and as far as taking damage in vehicles goes while some vehicles offer more protection than others I believe it's again done by design that there's usually some effective means of removing someone from a vehicle besides just pumping endless rounds into it.

" @Seppli: Can you fire a gun at the same time you are driving a warthog? I don't think so, take a chill pill dude. Go back to Bad Company, you clearly don't enjoy this game. "

" I'm adamant this is by design and not a flaw of the controls. Personally I've always felt like all of Bungie's vehicles have felt exactly like they should do when driven and as far as taking damage in vehicles goes while some vehicles offer more protection than others I believe it's again done by design that there's usually some effective means of removing someone from a vehicle besides just pumping endless rounds into it. "

@Seppli: 
 Do you honestly think that Bungie is going to change one of the hallmarks of standard Halo gameplay (AKA, how to drive a Warthog) because some people sometimes play solo and cannot use the Warthog effectively? It's an accessible vehicle that has controls that differentiate it from other vehicles. While I see a little tiny drop of reason in that you want to look around, it is very easy to catch a glance of an enemy (Human or computer controlled) while driving by and guessing exactly where they are going to go.

" @Raymayne said:

" Vehicle controls in Halo are brilliant, you're a fool to think otherwise. "

Brilliant for the mentally handicapped who can't manage to do two things at the same time. Like driving at high speeds and gunning effectively.

" @Seppli said:

" @Raymayne said:

" Vehicle controls in Halo are brilliant, you're a fool to think otherwise. "

Brilliant for the mentally handicapped who can't manage to do two things at the same time. Like driving at high speeds and gunning effectively.

Might wanna chill out on the name-calling. It's not really helping your crusade. "

" @Gamer_152 said:

" I'm adamant this is by design and not a flaw of the controls. Personally I've always felt like all of Bungie's vehicles have felt exactly like they should do when driven and as far as taking damage in vehicles goes while some vehicles offer more protection than others I believe it's again done by design that there's usually some effective means of removing someone from a vehicle besides just pumping endless rounds into it. "

Well - I guess then Halo Warthog sequences on Legendary are broken by design. "

Btw. it's not just the Warthog.
 
You CANNOT strafe and gun in the Halo tanks. While haven't had the pleasure of commandeering a Scorpion yet in Reach, I remember my Legendary Halo 3 playthrough and being quite pissed about it.

Sounds like someone isn't a beast at the game and is now trying to justify not being great at Reach even though he's playing the highest difficulty and it should be hard. 

" Btw. it's not just the Warthog.  You CANNOT strafe and gun in the Halo tanks. While haven't had the pleasure of commandeering a Scorpion yet in Reach, I remember my Legendary Halo 3 playthrough and being quite pissed about it. "

If you don't like it, why are you playing solo on legendary? This is your problem, not Bungie's. If you're playing this for entertainment and you're not entertained, either stop or admit you have a problem.

" @Seppli said:

" Btw. it's not just the Warthog.  You CANNOT strafe and gun in the Halo tanks. While haven't had the pleasure of commandeering a Scorpion yet in Reach, I remember my Legendary Halo 3 playthrough and being quite pissed about it. "

Tanks are impossible to strafe with. Have you not seen a tank before? "

" Btw. it's not just the Warthog.  You CANNOT strafe and gun in the Halo tanks. While haven't had the pleasure of commandeering a Scorpion yet in Reach, I remember my Legendary Halo 3 playthrough and being quite pissed about it. "

" If you don't like it, why are you playing solo on legendary? This is your problem, not Bungie's. If you're playing this for entertainment and you're not entertained, either stop or admit you have a problem. "

" yeah! fuck halo! you can't strafe with a tank! NOT LIKE IN BATTLEFIELD!  anyways...you're not supposed to SHOOT while driving. there's a reason for a passenger seat and a big GUN in the back of the warthog. it's called team work. also i may be wrong but people usually have 2 hands. it's pretty hard to keep them on the steering wheel and shoot from a machine gun at the same time. "

i happen to enjoy the vehicles.  i mean it's not like there's other fps's with GOOD vehicle controls.

" @Seppli: Have you considered just playing it how it's fun? "

" @faustyn said:

" yeah! fuck halo! you can't strafe with a tank! NOT LIKE IN BATTLEFIELD!  anyways...you're not supposed to SHOOT while driving. there's a reason for a passenger seat and a big GUN in the back of the warthog. it's called team work. also i may be wrong but people usually have 2 hands. it's pretty hard to keep them on the steering wheel and shoot from a machine gun at the same time. "

Ever played Crysis? They just made them Nano-suits interface with the vehicle's eletronics to remote control the turret. It's not impossible to 'justify' such gamedesign. Hell, just keep the soldier/spartan teammate on the turret and let the player drive and gun, because the player controls the whole jeep through its crew. No biggie at all, if you want to make it happen. "

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@Seppli: 
 Do you honestly think that Bungie is going to change one of the hallmarks of standard Halo gameplay (AKA, how to drive a Warthog) because some people sometimes play solo and cannot use the Warthog effectively? It's an accessible vehicle that has controls that differentiate it from other vehicles. While I see a little tiny drop of reason in that you want to look around, it is very easy to catch a glance of an enemy (Human or computer controlled) while driving by and guessing exactly where they are going to go.

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Amen to taking so much damage in the Warthog. I don't understand it.  
 
Also, the ally AI is shoddy and has always been shoddy. You'd think after five games that Bungie would have fixed this, but they haven't.  
 
So yeah, I agree with the OP.

" @PrivateIronTFU said:

" @Seppli said:

" Btw. it's not just the Warthog.  You CANNOT strafe and gun in the Halo tanks. While haven't had the pleasure of commandeering a Scorpion yet in Reach, I remember my Legendary Halo 3 playthrough and being quite pissed about it. "

Tanks are impossible to strafe with. Have you not seen a tank before? "

Dude - threads look one way, turret looks other way. Accelerate. Threads go one way. Turret still aims the other way. Strafing in tank - DONE. "

I dunno I really like the controls of the warthog, its just so simplistic but effective. I also like drifting around too.

" @Seppli said:

" @Gamer_152 said:

" I'm adamant this is by design and not a flaw of the controls. Personally I've always felt like all of Bungie's vehicles have felt exactly like they should do when driven and as far as taking damage in vehicles goes while some vehicles offer more protection than others I believe it's again done by design that there's usually some effective means of removing someone from a vehicle besides just pumping endless rounds into it. "

Well - I guess then Halo Warthog sequences on Legendary are broken by design. "

The way the Warthog feels to drive has pretty much become a trademark of the Halo series for most people but I can see you're not a fan of the vehicle controls. Would you really go as far as to say they're broken though? I mean you may not like them all that much but the vehicles aren't unusable surely. "

" @Seppli said:

" @PrivateIronTFU said:

" @Seppli said:

" Btw. it's not just the Warthog.  You CANNOT strafe and gun in the Halo tanks. While haven't had the pleasure of commandeering a Scorpion yet in Reach, I remember my Legendary Halo 3 playthrough and being quite pissed about it. "

Tanks are impossible to strafe with. Have you not seen a tank before? "

Dude - threads look one way, turret looks other way. Accelerate. Threads go one way. Turret still aims the other way. Strafing in tank - DONE. "

You have been able to do that since Halo C.E. The left analog stick controls the tank relative to the turret and your view of the screen.  If you turn the turret left, the front of the tank is towards the right relative to your view.  Pushing right on the stick makes the tank move forward and makes you "strafe" right.  You don't even understand the control scheme you are complaining about. 

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" @Jeffsekai: Yeah, I prefer the driving controls in Halo then 99% of other games what a weird complaint clearly they didn't change them because the small amount of people who dislike them. "

" This thread is a joke. You and your rampant Battlefield fanboyism are just too much.  The controls in both games are great and this thread is retarted. "

" @MAN_FLANNEL said:

" @Seppli said:

" @PrivateIronTFU said:

" @Seppli said:

" Btw. it's not just the Warthog.  You CANNOT strafe and gun in the Halo tanks. While haven't had the pleasure of commandeering a Scorpion yet in Reach, I remember my Legendary Halo 3 playthrough and being quite pissed about it. "

Tanks are impossible to strafe with. Have you not seen a tank before? "

Dude - threads look one way, turret looks other way. Accelerate. Threads go one way. Turret still aims the other way. Strafing in tank - DONE. "

You have been able to do that since Halo C.E. The left analog stick controls the tank relative to the turret and your view of the screen.  If you turn the turret left, the front of the tank is towards the right relative to your view.  Pushing right on the stick makes the tank move forward and makes you "strafe" right.  You don't even understand the control scheme you are complaining about. 

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Turret at 90 degree angle to threads and driving back and forth. I don't think so. "

Woah, woah woah... wait, you think Battlefield vehicles control better then Halo vehicles?  lol!