Kratos' Golden Fleece...

#1 Edited by EvilDingo (589 posts) -

Am I missing something or does this reflect nearly *everything*. 
 
I haven't really noticed before, because I don't really play Kratos... and to be honest I don't meet that many Kratoses (Krati??) online - but I was playing a match against one, and was basically completely dominated by an opponent that spammed that move.

I get that you can probably time an attack between the execution of the moves, but it seems a bit crazy if that's really the only way to get in. 
To me it appears to reflect projectiles, high/mid-attacks, throws and specials (at least Kano's which was my character for that match). 
I'm not sure about low-attacs or sweeps though... can't remember if I tried that too.  
 
I'm really baffled that it reflects throws too - That seemed like the obvious counter to a move like that.
 
I figure Smoke, Kenshi, Noob and Ermac have moves that bypass it - but generally I'm not a fan of counter-picking... and I figure all characters has to be able to do *something* against it. 
 
Man... And it's not even an enhanced-move.
Smoke has to use 1 bar to achieve a similar reflect-move... And I don't even think that is as impenetrable.

#2 Posted by RaikohBlade (593 posts) -

I don't play this game, but I can offer some tips from my repertoire of fighting game knowledge. Does the move have a lot of recovery frames? If so, you can bait it out and then punish it. No matter how good of a counter it is, it does nothing if you can predict it. 

#3 Posted by SoldierG654342 (1758 posts) -

Use the golden fleece as an opportunity to get in on Kratos. If they continue to spam while you are that close then you are just going to have to time your attacks carefully.  
 
They knew from the outset that he was going to be banned at tournaments so they probably didn't feel the need to balance him properly. Golden Fleece is some bullshit but it is surmountable. 

#4 Posted by GunslingerPanda (4687 posts) -

Every time I see the name Kratos, I think of this guy...

#5 Posted by Zealousadonis (133 posts) -

It's pretty powerful, I was playing some random character matches the other day and got Kratos and experimented with the golden fleece. It countered everything that was thrown at me. Normal fleece trumped Kano's EX ball. It's easy to punish but facing someone who just tries to rush you down it'll dominate.

#6 Posted by Helimocopter (369 posts) -
@GunslingerPanda said:

Every time I see the name Kratos, I think of this guy...

"Anime is for jerks" 
-Jeff Gerstmann
#7 Posted by Gabriel (4058 posts) -

Yo, low sweep.

#8 Posted by RuneseekerMireille (325 posts) -

@GunslingerPanda said:

Every time I see the name Kratos, I think of this guy...

The only Kratos that matters in my eyes.

#9 Posted by GunslingerPanda (4687 posts) -

@RuneseekerMireille said:

@GunslingerPanda said:

Every time I see the name Kratos, I think of this guy...

The only Kratos that matters in my eyes.

Too true. NEVAR FORGET!

#10 Posted by TaliciaDragonsong (8698 posts) -
@GunslingerPanda said:

@RuneseekerMireille said:

@GunslingerPanda said:

Every time I see the name Kratos, I think of this guy...

The only Kratos that matters in my eyes.

Too true. NEVAR FORGET!

 Hail Kratos Aurion
#11 Posted by OneManX (1685 posts) -

Smoke's "EX Shake" triggers when anyone touches, but to my knowledge that Kratos's Fleece can be punished the same way as Cyber Sub's Parry and that is lows and sweeps

#12 Posted by Chaos_Bladez (140 posts) -

@Gabriel:Yes, low attacks (and I'm assuming X-Rays) can't be countered by the fleece.

#13 Posted by Enigma777 (6069 posts) -
@TaliciaDragonsong said:
@GunslingerPanda said:

@RuneseekerMireille said:

@GunslingerPanda said:

Every time I see the name Kratos, I think of this guy...

The only Kratos that matters in my eyes.

Too true. NEVAR FORGET!

 Hail Kratos Aurion
Blasphemers! 
#14 Posted by TechHits (1377 posts) -

@Enigma777 said:

@TaliciaDragonsong said:
@GunslingerPanda said:

@RuneseekerMireille said:

@GunslingerPanda said:

Every time I see the name Kratos, I think of this guy...

The only Kratos that matters in my eyes.

Too true. NEVAR FORGET!

Hail Kratos Aurion
Blasphemers!

why does this chump wear such tight pants?

#15 Edited by Spoonman671 (4587 posts) -
@TechHits said:

@Enigma777 said:

@TaliciaDragonsong said:

@GunslingerPanda said:

@RuneseekerMireille said:

@GunslingerPanda said:

Every time I see the name Kratos, I think of this guy...

The only Kratos that matters in my eyes.

Too true. NEVAR FORGET!

Hail Kratos Aurion
Blasphemers!

why does this chump wear such tight pants?

I know somebody who objects.
 I forgot how pretty this game is!
#16 Posted by DonChipotle (2714 posts) -

@TechHits said:

@Enigma777 said:

@TaliciaDragonsong said:
@GunslingerPanda said:

@RuneseekerMireille said:

@GunslingerPanda said:

Every time I see the name Kratos, I think of this guy...

The only Kratos that matters in my eyes.

Too true. NEVAR FORGET!

Hail Kratos Aurion
Blasphemers!

why does this chump wear such tight pants?

Because he is compensating for lack of personality and character depth.

#17 Posted by BisonHero (6391 posts) -

@DonChipotle said:

@TechHits said:

@Enigma777 said:

@TaliciaDragonsong said:
@GunslingerPanda said:

@RuneseekerMireille said:

@GunslingerPanda said:

Every time I see the name Kratos, I think of this guy...

The only Kratos that matters in my eyes.

Too true. NEVAR FORGET!

Hail Kratos Aurion
Blasphemers!

why does this chump wear such tight pants?

Because he is compensating for lack of personality and character depth.

Agreed. People seem to love that Tales game to death, but I don't understand why. Maybe the writing is pretty-good-by-anime-writing-standards or something, but I found it to be pretty meh.

#18 Posted by DonChipotle (2714 posts) -

@BisonHero said:

@DonChipotle said:

@TechHits said:

@Enigma777 said:

@TaliciaDragonsong said:
@GunslingerPanda said:

@RuneseekerMireille said:

@GunslingerPanda said:

Every time I see the name Kratos, I think of this guy...

The only Kratos that matters in my eyes.

Too true. NEVAR FORGET!

Hail Kratos Aurion
Blasphemers!

why does this chump wear such tight pants?

Because he is compensating for lack of personality and character depth.

Agreed. People seem to love that Tales game to death, but I don't understand why. Maybe the writing is pretty-good-by-anime-writing-standards or something, but I found it to be pretty meh.

I like to subscribe to the Gerstmann Mario Kart Theory.

Tales of Symphonia was not a particularly well written game, but it was a decently fun game.

#19 Posted by TechHits (1377 posts) -

lol I love how fast and far this went off topic.

#20 Posted by TaliciaDragonsong (8698 posts) -
@BisonHero said:

@DonChipotle said:

@TechHits said:

@Enigma777 said:

@TaliciaDragonsong said:
@GunslingerPanda said:

@RuneseekerMireille said:

@GunslingerPanda said:

Every time I see the name Kratos, I think of this guy...

The only Kratos that matters in my eyes.

Too true. NEVAR FORGET!

Hail Kratos Aurion
Blasphemers!

why does this chump wear such tight pants?

Because he is compensating for lack of personality and character depth.

Agreed. People seem to love that Tales game to death, but I don't understand why. Maybe the writing is pretty-good-by-anime-writing-standards or something, but I found it to be pretty meh.

Unagreed. People seem to love that God of War game to death, but I don't understand why. Maybe the writing is pretty-good-by-action-game-writing-standards or something, but I found it to be pretty meh.
 
Sorry couldn't resist.
But,to each their own, both Kratosusses are cool in my book, but Aurion a little more.
#21 Posted by GunslingerPanda (4687 posts) -

@BisonHero said:

@DonChipotle said:

@TechHits said:

@Enigma777 said:

@TaliciaDragonsong said:
@GunslingerPanda said:

@RuneseekerMireille said:

@GunslingerPanda said:

Every time I see the name Kratos, I think of this guy...

The only Kratos that matters in my eyes.

Too true. NEVAR FORGET!

Hail Kratos Aurion
Blasphemers!

why does this chump wear such tight pants?

Because he is compensating for lack of personality and character depth.

Agreed. People seem to love that Tales game to death, but I don't understand why. Maybe the writing is pretty-good-by-anime-writing-standards or something, but I found it to be pretty meh.

Because the writing in God of War is stellar, right?

#22 Posted by DonChipotle (2714 posts) -

@GunslingerPanda said:

@BisonHero said:

@DonChipotle said:

@TechHits said:

@Enigma777 said:

@TaliciaDragonsong said:
@GunslingerPanda said:

@RuneseekerMireille said:

@GunslingerPanda said:

Every time I see the name Kratos, I think of this guy...

The only Kratos that matters in my eyes.

Too true. NEVAR FORGET!

Hail Kratos Aurion
Blasphemers!

why does this chump wear such tight pants?

Because he is compensating for lack of personality and character depth.

Agreed. People seem to love that Tales game to death, but I don't understand why. Maybe the writing is pretty-good-by-anime-writing-standards or something, but I found it to be pretty meh.

Because the writing in God of War is stellar, right?

We're not saying that God of War is a better written game. Like, at all.

I don't much care for God of War in any capacity.

#23 Posted by EvilDingo (589 posts) -

@TechHits said:

lol I love how fast and far this went off topic.

Considering the topic is well over a month old - I'm not sure I'll actually consider that "fast"... But yeah the Kratos vs Kratos discussion is indeed way off topic.

I have no idea who the other Kratos is - nor do I actually care.

Anyway... to the notion of low attacks working against Kratos' reflect-move...

I'm not quite sure about this, but while low sweep differently work - I'm not that sure if all low attacks do. I often play as Kano and his 2-hit LK-HK combo I THINK gets countered. It's hard to be sure, since I don't actually meet all that many Kratoses (Krati?!) online - and not all of them that consistently spam golden fleece. So I can be hard to "probe" for what works and what doesn't.

Against one opponent I recall, that I could goat him in to using his golden fleece by spamming knifes and jumping over the counter projectile and air-canon-balling him... But again... I'm not sure if he was just being careless - or if he could actually have blocked afterwards.

#24 Posted by TechHits (1377 posts) -

@EvilDingo said:

@TechHits said:

lol I love how fast and far this went off topic.

Considering the topic is well over a month old - I'm not sure I'll actually consider that "fast"... But yeah the Kratos vs Kratos discussion is indeed way off topic.

The second post in was about that anime dude. If that's not going off topic fast I don't know what is.

#25 Posted by dbz1995 (4790 posts) -

If you chuck a good projectile at it, you can jump over the golden shit heap he chucks back.

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