Nintendo, I barely know you anymore.

Posted by RenegadeMike (53 posts) -

Pertaining to the announcement of the Windwaker HD remake.

I understand the remake thing. Great. Love it. But they pick the game that was cell shaded and cartoonish. I love Windwaker. I played the crap out of that game. GBA attached and all. Yet an HD remake of a cartoonish game is just upscaling the cartoonish effects. There is nothing more to see in that, no hidden details that were missing because of a lack of horsepower. I personally would have preferred something like an OOT remake. Look how the 3DS game turned out, that game looks fantastic. Fully rendered with the power of the 3DS made it look stellar. We could actually see Links sword strap and belt . Why not do a 3D version of Link to the past? Can you all Imagine what that world would be like rendered in 3D and in HD? Personally I feel HD remakes are to fully realize the potential of a game that was missed on the orignial product. Like a directors cut of a film. I am not one of those angry people on the net screaming at the big N. I am just disappointed in the choices they have been making recently. By recently I mean the last 7 years. Misstep after misstep has them in a terrible position that they have no right being in. This is Nintendo, the company that used to rule the world in the 80s and 90s. The company that dropped the iconic "Gameboy" name from their handhelds, the same company that refuses to put out games on IOS, the company that abandoned the hardcore dedicated player for my grandpa. The company that named its console something that sounds like a child talking about a his favorite body part. This is why, at least for now, I am not buying a Nintendo console, but sticking with the Microsoft product. Something that my 8 year old self would never have imagined doing.

@Gaff said:

"I don't like this teend of HD remakes, I want this HD remake." Is this really what this argument boils down to?

Well... yeah it kind of is. (Note: this was my attempt at creating my first blog post and is purely my personal opinion.) Yet, my bigger point is that Nintendo has made major missteps Since the launch of the Wii, and I feel this is yet another. After a bit of thought I suppose that my apprehension toward the Windwaker "upgrade" may have been a bit reactionary, although I still disagree with their decision of choosing Windwaker to "upgrade" (as i have been corrected for saying remake). I would have rather seen a less cartoonish game with more details to show off in HD, perhaps Majora's mask since they just did OOT for the 3DS. My overall point is that this is a symptom of a larger problem with Nintendo.

#1 Edited by RenegadeMike (53 posts) -

Pertaining to the announcement of the Windwaker HD remake.

I understand the remake thing. Great. Love it. But they pick the game that was cell shaded and cartoonish. I love Windwaker. I played the crap out of that game. GBA attached and all. Yet an HD remake of a cartoonish game is just upscaling the cartoonish effects. There is nothing more to see in that, no hidden details that were missing because of a lack of horsepower. I personally would have preferred something like an OOT remake. Look how the 3DS game turned out, that game looks fantastic. Fully rendered with the power of the 3DS made it look stellar. We could actually see Links sword strap and belt . Why not do a 3D version of Link to the past? Can you all Imagine what that world would be like rendered in 3D and in HD? Personally I feel HD remakes are to fully realize the potential of a game that was missed on the orignial product. Like a directors cut of a film. I am not one of those angry people on the net screaming at the big N. I am just disappointed in the choices they have been making recently. By recently I mean the last 7 years. Misstep after misstep has them in a terrible position that they have no right being in. This is Nintendo, the company that used to rule the world in the 80s and 90s. The company that dropped the iconic "Gameboy" name from their handhelds, the same company that refuses to put out games on IOS, the company that abandoned the hardcore dedicated player for my grandpa. The company that named its console something that sounds like a child talking about a his favorite body part. This is why, at least for now, I am not buying a Nintendo console, but sticking with the Microsoft product. Something that my 8 year old self would never have imagined doing.

@Gaff said:

"I don't like this teend of HD remakes, I want this HD remake." Is this really what this argument boils down to?

Well... yeah it kind of is. (Note: this was my attempt at creating my first blog post and is purely my personal opinion.) Yet, my bigger point is that Nintendo has made major missteps Since the launch of the Wii, and I feel this is yet another. After a bit of thought I suppose that my apprehension toward the Windwaker "upgrade" may have been a bit reactionary, although I still disagree with their decision of choosing Windwaker to "upgrade" (as i have been corrected for saying remake). I would have rather seen a less cartoonish game with more details to show off in HD, perhaps Majora's mask since they just did OOT for the 3DS. My overall point is that this is a symptom of a larger problem with Nintendo.

#2 Posted by Animasta (14730 posts) -

a 3D remake of link to the past would be way more work, basically making another game, than a HD version of wind waker or even a HD version of OOT.

#3 Posted by JasonR86 (9729 posts) -

Have you looked at any screenshots? It looks very different.

#4 Posted by RenegadeMike (53 posts) -

@Animasta: Yes, that's called making a game. That's what they hire people to do...make games. Not just regurgitate old ones.

#5 Posted by JasonR86 (9729 posts) -

@RenegadeMike said:

@Animasta: Yes, that's called making a game. That's what they hire people to do...make games. Not just regurgitate old ones.

That's Nintendo's MO. Since forever. Remember?

#6 Posted by Vinny_Says (5721 posts) -

You must be young if you knew about Microsoft consoles as an 8 year old.

And I don't understand how a remake of LTTP would not look cartoonish in 3D HD. I mean you want LTTP but that looks like Twilight Princess? ugh no thank you. If anything I'm more dissapointed that a new handheld and a new console have both been announced and there is yet to be a single announcement for a proper Zelda game for either.

#7 Posted by RenegadeMike (53 posts) -

@JasonR86: Yeah I saw some shots. Just a new coat of paint IMO. I agree that it looks nice but its the same game. Maybe they will throw in one or two Easter eggs, but its still Windwaker.

#8 Edited by RenegadeMike (53 posts) -

@Vinny_Says: No im 27 but i get your joke. my point was that my 8 year old self would never have imagined playing a Microsoft console.

#9 Posted by Hailinel (25205 posts) -

@Vinny_Says said:

You must be young if you knew about Microsoft consoles as an 8 year old.

And I don't understand how a remake of LTTP would not look cartoonish in 3D HD. I mean you want LTTP but that looks like Twilight Princess? ugh no thank you. If anything I'm more dissapointed that a new handheld and a new console have both been announced and there is yet to be a single announcement for a proper Zelda game for either.

They did announce a new Zelda game, though. It's just too early to show anything concrete of it yet.

#10 Posted by ThePaleKing (613 posts) -

@RenegadeMike: It's an HD upgrade, it is not a "remake". It's akin to re-releasing a film on blu-ray.

#11 Edited by PeasantAbuse (5138 posts) -

A few months ago Miyamoto was talking about either remaking LTTP or Majora's Mask for the 3DS, so those will still probably happen at some point. linky

#12 Posted by DarthOrange (3909 posts) -

Is Microsoft really that much better though? From your original post I would think you would be more attracted to the PC or Sony consoles. Microsoft hasn't been focused on games in a while now.

#13 Posted by Animasta (14730 posts) -

@RenegadeMike said:

@Animasta: Yes, that's called making a game. That's what they hire people to do...make games. Not just regurgitate old ones.

yeah that's why they're making a new one?

#14 Edited by RenegadeMike (53 posts) -

@JasonR86: Ok granted Nintendo likes regurgitating old games. But this is not the Nintendo they used to be in the late 80s and 90s. With the decisions they have made they are now going to be playing the catch up game. The Wii U is not on par with the rest of the "next gen" consoles and the fact that we can say that without even seeing the competition is a bad thing. This is Nintendo we are talking about, they should be the leaders not the people releasing Batman Arkham City a year after its original release. If you get my point.

@Pudge: Thanks for the heads up.

@DarthOrange: While Microsoft isn't focused on games they have much better 3rd party support. So I'm sticking with them.

@ThePaleKing: Point taken Not a "remake" Upgrade. Perhaps my original wording was flawed.

@Hailinel: I'm saying that the fact that their new console is just now able to even play that game is an issue. its not that they are simply re-releasing an old game. Its that their old console couldn't play it in the first place, and the new console is just barely able to handle it. These are just symptoms of a bigger problem with Nintendo.

#15 Posted by Pudge (925 posts) -

@RenegadeMike said:

@Vinny_Says: No im 27 but i get your joke. my point was that my 8 year old self would never have imagined playing a Microsoft console. Thanks for replying to my first post Vinny.

That's not Vinny. http://www.giantbomb.com/profile/vinny/ is Vinny. Just an FYI.

#16 Posted by Animasta (14730 posts) -

@RenegadeMike said:

@JasonR86: Ok granted Nintendo likes regurgitating old games. But this is not the Nintendo they used to be in the late 80s and 90s. With the decisions they have made they are now going to be playing the catch up game. The Wii U is not on par with the rest of the "next gen" consoles and the fact that we can say that without even seeing the competition is a bad thing. This is Nintendo we are talking about, they should be the leaders not the people releasing Batman Arkham City a year after its original release. If you get my point.

...why?

#17 Posted by ShadowConqueror (3090 posts) -

Let the bitches make their money.

#18 Posted by Hailinel (25205 posts) -

@RenegadeMike said:

@JasonR86: Ok granted Nintendo likes regurgitating old games. But this is not the Nintendo they used to be in the late 80s and 90s. With the decisions they have made they are now going to be playing the catch up game. The Wii U is not on par with the rest of the "next gen" consoles and the fact that we can say that without even seeing the competition is a bad thing. This is Nintendo we are talking about, they should be the leaders not the people releasing Batman Arkham City a year after its original release. If you get my point.

So Nintendo shouldn't ever release enhanced versions of old games? Is that what you're trying to argue? Because it's really not a good argument.

#19 Posted by Twinsun (495 posts) -

From the one screenshot I've seen, I think the new windwaker looks gorgeous. But I get your point about the detail thing.

#20 Posted by Gaff (1891 posts) -

"I don't like this teend of HD remakes, I want this HD remake."

Is this really what this argument boils down to?

#21 Posted by GrantHeaslip (1611 posts) -

A lot of people forget that most Wii U owners won't have ever owned a GameCube, letalone played The Wind Waker. A lot of them aren't old enough to have, and others just missed it (which considering the GameCube's sales, shouldn't be surprising).

If you've played TWW and aren't interested in playing it again, realize it's not for you and move on. I doubt that many people are working on this, so it's not like it's at the expense of other more interesting projects. There's a reason this was announced now and not at E3.

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#22 Posted by Vinny_Says (5721 posts) -

@Hailinel said:

@Vinny_Says said:

You must be young if you knew about Microsoft consoles as an 8 year old.

And I don't understand how a remake of LTTP would not look cartoonish in 3D HD. I mean you want LTTP but that looks like Twilight Princess? ugh no thank you. If anything I'm more dissapointed that a new handheld and a new console have both been announced and there is yet to be a single announcement for a proper Zelda game for either.

They did announce a new Zelda game, though. It's just too early to show anything concrete of it yet.

Okay but still...one producer saying "yeah we're working on a game, trust me" isn't exactly what I think of when I say announcement.

#23 Posted by MikkaQ (10344 posts) -

I've always thought that Windwaker is one of the most beautiful games I've ever seen, so a HD remake would be nice to look at. But for me, I've never had fun with the 3D Zelda games. The formula just never really clicked with me the same way it did with Link to the Past or Oracle of Seasons/Ages. I know that's utter blasphemy for Zelda fans, but yeah I've just never liked anything OOT forward that was polygonal really.

#24 Posted by MariachiMacabre (7100 posts) -
@Vinny_Says

@Hailinel said:

@Vinny_Says said:

You must be young if you knew about Microsoft consoles as an 8 year old.

And I don't understand how a remake of LTTP would not look cartoonish in 3D HD. I mean you want LTTP but that looks like Twilight Princess? ugh no thank you. If anything I'm more dissapointed that a new handheld and a new console have both been announced and there is yet to be a single announcement for a proper Zelda game for either.

They did announce a new Zelda game, though. It's just too early to show anything concrete of it yet.

Okay but still...one producer saying "yeah we're working on a game, trust me" isn't exactly what I think of when I say announcement.

It's nothing extravagant but it is an announcement. It's just that...I mean of course they're working on a new Zelda. They're never NOT working on a new Mario or Zelda.
#25 Posted by algertman (852 posts) -

@Vinny_Says said:

@Hailinel said:

@Vinny_Says said:

You must be young if you knew about Microsoft consoles as an 8 year old.

And I don't understand how a remake of LTTP would not look cartoonish in 3D HD. I mean you want LTTP but that looks like Twilight Princess? ugh no thank you. If anything I'm more dissapointed that a new handheld and a new console have both been announced and there is yet to be a single announcement for a proper Zelda game for either.

They did announce a new Zelda game, though. It's just too early to show anything concrete of it yet.

Okay but still...one producer saying "yeah we're working on a game, trust me" isn't exactly what I think of when I say announcement.

They are ALWAYS working on a new Zelda. We also know Zelda games take years to make and they change up a good bit during production. They will use Wind Waker HD as a trial run for how they will handle the menus. They also announced Smash, Mario, and Kart will all be playable at E3. They are clearly in no rush to get out Zelda with the other games. Zelda is coming, we know this, and they probably won't show much till they are way n to production.

#26 Edited by Wrighteous86 (3823 posts) -

@RenegadeMike said:

Pertaining to the announcement of the Windwaker HD remake.

I understand the remake thing. Great. Love it. But they pick the game that was cell shaded and cartoonish. I love Windwaker. I played the crap out of that game. GBA attached and all. Yet an HD remake of a cartoonish game is just upscaling the cartoonish effects. There is nothing more to see in that, no hidden details that were missing because of a lack of horsepower. I personally would have preferred something like an OOT remake. Look how the 3DS game turned out, that game looks fantastic. Fully rendered with the power of the 3DS made it look stellar. We could actually see Links sword strap and belt . Why not do a 3D version of Link to the past? Can you all Imagine what that world would be like rendered in 3D and in HD? Personally I feel HD remakes are to fully realize the potential of a game that was missed on the orignial product. Like a directors cut of a film. I am not one of those angry people on the net screaming at the big N. I am just disappointed in the choices they have been making recently. By recently I mean the last 7 years. Misstep after misstep has them in a terrible position that they have no right being in. This is Nintendo, the company that used to rule the world in the 80s and 90s. The company that dropped the iconic "Gameboy" name from their handhelds, the same company that refuses to put out games on IOS, the company that abandoned the hardcore dedicated player for my grandpa. The company that named its console something that sounds like a child talking about a his favorite body part. This is why, at least for now, I am not buying a Nintendo console, but sticking with the Microsoft product. Something that my 8 year old self would never have imagined doing.

@Gaff said:

"I don't like this teend of HD remakes, I want this HD remake." Is this really what this argument boils down to?

Well... yeah it kind of is. (Note: this was my attempt at creating my first blog post and is purely my personal opinion.) Yet, my bigger point is that Nintendo has made major missteps Since the launch of the Wii, and I feel this is yet another. After a bit of thought I suppose that my apprehension toward the Windwaker "upgrade" may have been a bit reactionary, although I still disagree with their decision of choosing Windwaker to "upgrade" (as i have been corrected for saying remake). I would have rather seen a less cartoonish game with more details to show off in HD, perhaps Majora's mask since they just did OOT for the 3DS. My overall point is that this is a symptom of a larger problem with Nintendo.

You do realize that the team did "trial" HD updates for a lot of the Zelda games (presumably to choose a style for the next game), and they all decided that this one was the best and wanted to move forward with it in a remake right? Is it different? Yeah, but I also think it looks great.

#27 Posted by GunstarRed (5484 posts) -

Okami HD.

#28 Posted by Dogma (989 posts) -

I I understood Iwata correctly this Winder Waker remake seems to have sprung from experiments during their new Zelda game. It seems like they had done graphical tests with the new game and then thought that it could work on Wind Waker so they decided to do a remake and give Zelda-fans that while we are waiting for the completely new game.

I think it's quite nice that we get this while waiting for the new stuff. The game does not only seem to be a HD upscaled game but it looks like it has experienced a drastic transformation.

#29 Posted by GetEveryone (4458 posts) -

@RenegadeMike said:

@DarthOrange: While Microsoft isn't focused on games they have much better 3rd party support. So I'm sticking with them.

That hasn't been true in at least a year.

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