How much DLC is too much DLC?

With the release of Dragon Age II rapidly approaching, I've been thinking about the role of DLC in games. I've always been a pretty big believer that DLC is a great thing when done properly. Bioware and Bethesda have shown that DLC can breathe some life into an older title and really expand on the universe...but horse armor and in-game DLC salesmen have shown that there is a darker, more nefarious side to downloadable content.
 

Day-One DLC for Dragon Age II (via Bioware forums)

 Adder of Antiva, Bow - Signature Edition
Seeker's Bulwark, Shield - Signature Edition
Apostate's Courage, Staff - Signature Edition
Might of the Sten, 2H Sword - Signature Edition
The Exiled Prince, Companion - Signature Edition

Lion of Orlais Shield, Shield - All Pre-Orders
Fadeshear Sword, 1H Sword - All Pre-Orders
The Black Emporium, Store - All New Game Purchases

Hindsight, Belt - Penny Arcade Promotion
Staff of Parthalan, Staff - BioWare Promotion
Hayder's Razor, 2H Sword - Completed Demo

Evra's Might, Ring - Dragon Age Legends
Air of Confidence, Ring - Dragon Age Legends
Evra's Trophy Belt, Belt - Dragon Age Legends
Ivo Family Crest, Amulet - Dragon Age Legends
Dura's Blue Flame, Amulet - Dragon Age Legends

The Irons, Belt - Pre-Order Bonus @ EA Store
Ring of Whispers, Ring - Purchase Bonus @ Epic Weapons
Ser Isaac's Armor, Armor Set - All New Dead Space 2 Purchases
Amulet of Ashes, Amulet - Pre-Order Bonus @ Play.com & Best Buy

Lothering's Lament, Book - Demo IF Activations ≥ 1 000 000 By March 1
The Far Cliffs of Kirkwall, Book - Demo IF Activations ≥ 1 000 000 By March 1 

What?

"Surely he must be in jest!" you say, sitting at your computer and reading this wall of text that can't possibly be what he's claiming. But no, I assure you that this is a complete list of all the DLC available for Dragon Age II before the game has even hit retailers.
 
It just seems like there could be a better way to do this. They're throwing DLC everywhere like it's no one's business. Play our Facebook game? Here's some rings and belts. Play the demo? Here's some weapons! Pre-order the game? More weapons!  Order before a certain date? Get all this stuff for free that we'll charge other users for later. Buy a real replica sword or weapon and we'll give you a ring.
 
I like DLC, I really do, but I can't help but question why half of this stuff couldn't just be in the game. Even if they made some effort to tie it into the story, like you need to do a quest or two before you can obtain all this crazy equipment. By the looks of things, I will start this game with more equipment than I can carry.
 
But I'll do it. I'll play your Facebook games, and I'll download your demo and I'll order your signature edition spending hours on the release day not playing your game but downloading your DLC. And all shall tremble before the might of Isaac Hawke, overpowered medieval space engineer.
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Posted by benjaebe

With the release of Dragon Age II rapidly approaching, I've been thinking about the role of DLC in games. I've always been a pretty big believer that DLC is a great thing when done properly. Bioware and Bethesda have shown that DLC can breathe some life into an older title and really expand on the universe...but horse armor and in-game DLC salesmen have shown that there is a darker, more nefarious side to downloadable content.
 

Day-One DLC for Dragon Age II (via Bioware forums)

 Adder of Antiva, Bow - Signature Edition
Seeker's Bulwark, Shield - Signature Edition
Apostate's Courage, Staff - Signature Edition
Might of the Sten, 2H Sword - Signature Edition
The Exiled Prince, Companion - Signature Edition

Lion of Orlais Shield, Shield - All Pre-Orders
Fadeshear Sword, 1H Sword - All Pre-Orders
The Black Emporium, Store - All New Game Purchases

Hindsight, Belt - Penny Arcade Promotion
Staff of Parthalan, Staff - BioWare Promotion
Hayder's Razor, 2H Sword - Completed Demo

Evra's Might, Ring - Dragon Age Legends
Air of Confidence, Ring - Dragon Age Legends
Evra's Trophy Belt, Belt - Dragon Age Legends
Ivo Family Crest, Amulet - Dragon Age Legends
Dura's Blue Flame, Amulet - Dragon Age Legends

The Irons, Belt - Pre-Order Bonus @ EA Store
Ring of Whispers, Ring - Purchase Bonus @ Epic Weapons
Ser Isaac's Armor, Armor Set - All New Dead Space 2 Purchases
Amulet of Ashes, Amulet - Pre-Order Bonus @ Play.com & Best Buy

Lothering's Lament, Book - Demo IF Activations ≥ 1 000 000 By March 1
The Far Cliffs of Kirkwall, Book - Demo IF Activations ≥ 1 000 000 By March 1 

What?

"Surely he must be in jest!" you say, sitting at your computer and reading this wall of text that can't possibly be what he's claiming. But no, I assure you that this is a complete list of all the DLC available for Dragon Age II before the game has even hit retailers.
 
It just seems like there could be a better way to do this. They're throwing DLC everywhere like it's no one's business. Play our Facebook game? Here's some rings and belts. Play the demo? Here's some weapons! Pre-order the game? More weapons!  Order before a certain date? Get all this stuff for free that we'll charge other users for later. Buy a real replica sword or weapon and we'll give you a ring.
 
I like DLC, I really do, but I can't help but question why half of this stuff couldn't just be in the game. Even if they made some effort to tie it into the story, like you need to do a quest or two before you can obtain all this crazy equipment. By the looks of things, I will start this game with more equipment than I can carry.
 
But I'll do it. I'll play your Facebook games, and I'll download your demo and I'll order your signature edition spending hours on the release day not playing your game but downloading your DLC. And all shall tremble before the might of Isaac Hawke, overpowered medieval space engineer.
Posted by Enigma777

You can never have enough DLC! Never! 
 
Collecting all the little promotions they have going on is pretty fun actually. It's one of the reasons why I'm so excited for the game, since I know when I boot up it up on March 8th I'll have a shitton of good stuff already!

Posted by MarkWahlberg

Well, they're all just items, so it's not that big a deal. 

Posted by hmmisee

I'm the opposite on the matter, i would rather take the time and earn items rather then be given them for money. I think that's a ridiculous amount of DLC, it makes it worse that the game hasn't even been released.

Edited by Yummylee

I'm not against day one DLC all too much, since it's an understandable ploy to have people get their games day 1. EA, however, has gone completely overboard with Dragon Age 2. I half expect to leave with a code for some Ronald McDonald armour when I buy myself a big mac at McDonalds.

Posted by Clonedzero

DLC is fine, i dont mind little free promotional in-game items. like completing the demo or signing up for a newsletter that you promptly cancel. thats fine i can live with that.
alot of times i dont even like those types of extra items because they unbalance the game and make it alot less fun. i mean whats the fun of downloading a bunch of items and never getting better ones?
 
i do however really hate pre-order bonuses, especially retailer exclusive pre-order bonuses. luckily i dont think DA2 has done that, but it really sucks. i didn't pre-order the signature edition because i wasn't sure if i was going to get DA2 for the 360 or PC and was waiting on more gameplay of both before i decided. when i finally saw enough to decide on the PC version, the signature edition offer expired so now if i want that prince dude i gotta pay an extra 7 bucks. i probably wont bother with that unless i really hear its awesome.

Posted by OmegaChosen

I got all the Mass Effect DLC(through various means) but this just looks impossible to get all of it.Thus I will not try and I will attempt to keep my completionist urges from overpowering me.
 
Also, I've made a solemn swear to never set foot in Facebook so I'm kind of out of luck there.

Edited by Chop

I agree that Dragon Age 2 has gone completely bat shit with all its promotional dlc. I mean I'm getting emails every day telling me about some new staff or something being offered for signing up for something.  
 
Really Really hoping that the bullshit DA2 and AC:BH are pulling with Facebook isn't a trend setter. I don't want to be locked out of stuff in the game just because I don't feel like advertising their game for them. 

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Posted by Wuddel
@Chop: Pretty much. AC:BH at least let you "play" that Facebook game in quiet by your own. Without soiling your profile with posts.
Posted by Aetheldod

The more the better I say , don't like it , don't buy it / get the dlc stuff .... easy solution.

Posted by TaliciaDragonsong

Its kinda silly, they should have went with selling the signature edition for the first week (kinda like the Shale code in the last one) instead of this pre-ordering stuff.
And free dlc to click around isn't bad, its also not good.
 
Its just silly, and hopefully the items aren't too good, walking around with the same equipment for the entire game gets boring.

Posted by WinterSnowblind

I don't mind this sort of thing too much..  It's all free and only exists to hype the game and generate more interest.  If you miss any of it, it's not like you're missing anything big.  If they were charging for all this insignificant content, then I'd have a problem.  (see Fable 3). 
 
The Facebook game is a bit more questionable, as it's utter crap and does require you to pay if you want to make any real progress.  (Though you can complete the whole thing for free, it would just be very time consuming).
Posted by Wuddel

I think the route EA was taking with other games was ok. Limited Edition at the same price for all pre-orders & early buyers with some extra stuff at the same price was ok. Also the online functionality only for new games is ok I guess. But retailer specific bonuses or the limited edition (signature editon) preorder deadline ending before release are terrible things. EA is certainly testing the waters with DAII.

Posted by Chop
@Wuddel said:
" I think the route EA was taking with other games was ok. Limited Edition at the same price for all pre-orders & early buyers with some extra stuff at the same price was ok. Also the online functionality only for new games is ok I guess. But retailer specific bonuses or the limited edition (signature editon) preorder deadline ending before release are terrible things. EA is certainly testing the waters with DAII. "
 
The deadline was especially bad because up to that point they had shown nearly nothing of Dragon Age 2's gameplay. It was fucking ridiculous that we had to preorder and base it off of shitty demo videos recorded with hand cameras on youtube. 
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Posted by FritzDude

It's alot of DLC's... that's for sure. And the game isn't even out yet.

Posted by Bloodgraiv3

As long as they're decent I don't mind them, but I think over 5 is too many. 
Posted by Chris2KLee

Promotional DLC is fine by me, but the Pre-Order stuff annoys me sometimes, because it can be spread out among different retailers. Bioware/EA did not do that for DA2 really, but on the flipside DA2 on Steam was left out of the early Signature edition offer for no apparent reason. Probably still get it on Steam, but it's a sticking point.

Posted by ryanwho

Only thing I care about is the companion. I don't need cheat loot for a game that's already going to be too easy.

Posted by Deiterbomber

Just preorder it everywhere, and give all the extra copies to friends. 
 
Then file for bankruptcy.

Posted by Nottle

This is kind of gross to me. Why can't this just be in the game as a reward for doing a quest? Also that Isaac Clarke armor is out of place.

Posted by ArbitraryWater

If those items are anything like the ones that you got with the original Dragon Age, they're alright, but will eventually be outclassed by something else you find in game (although, to be fair, the Blood Dragon armor was probably the single best piece of heavy armor in the base game). Sure, there's an absolute shit ton of them, but the only things you should care about are the Companion Quest and the Black Emporium, as those are the only things that represent meaningful content instead of just fluffy bonus items of dubious quality.

Posted by Hailinel
@ArbitraryWater said:
" If those items are anything like the ones that you got with the original Dragon Age, they're alright, but will eventually be outclassed by something else you find in game (although, to be fair, the Blood Dragon armor was probably the single best piece of heavy armor in the base game). Sure, there's an absolute shit ton of them, but the only things you should care about are the Companion Quest and the Black Emporium, as those are the only things that represent meaningful content instead of just fluffy bonus items of dubious quality. "
I have to wonder just how worthwhile the quest DLC will actually be, though.  The downloadable quests for the first game were by and large disappointing and shallow, with the only purpose behind them to acquire content that should have been in the base game (i.e.: A chest to store all of my excess stuff.)
Edited by Fudge91

It's discusting to see such a beautiful company like bioware doing this kind off sh*t. I personally will simply ignore all of this nonsense, the dlc from the first dragon age didn't really add that much for me to the story. Apart from the Shale dlc which came free with all new copies of dragon age, so im not worried that i'll be a missing out on too much. Though i do think it's time for gaming companies to draw a line with all this dlc nonsense, and i advice them to take a look on this page http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2010/01/06/the-10-commandments-of-dlc/  and think about what dlc should be like.

Posted by WatanabeKazuma

It can all depends on the pricing, if it's expensive a lot of DLC being released is only going to shine a light on that and make it seem ridiculous. 
 
Also if I'm not up to date with a particular game and it has a lot of DLC it can seem overwhelming, I still haven't played Dragon Age yet and the thought of all that content scares me a little. I wouldn't mind new content for Mass Effect 2 though, I can never get enough, no costume packs don't count!

Posted by Hourai

Yeah, it's ridiculous. The only DLC worth getting is the companion, and if you didn't pre-order then you have to fork out another $7 for it when you've already fucking paid full price for the game. I'm not supporting EA's bullshit, so I doubt I'll be paying for it. 

Posted by ArbitraryWater
@Hailinel said:
" @ArbitraryWater said:
" If those items are anything like the ones that you got with the original Dragon Age, they're alright, but will eventually be outclassed by something else you find in game (although, to be fair, the Blood Dragon armor was probably the single best piece of heavy armor in the base game). Sure, there's an absolute shit ton of them, but the only things you should care about are the Companion Quest and the Black Emporium, as those are the only things that represent meaningful content instead of just fluffy bonus items of dubious quality. "
I have to wonder just how worthwhile the quest DLC will actually be, though.  The downloadable quests for the first game were by and large disappointing and shallow, with the only purpose behind them to acquire content that should have been in the base game (i.e.: A chest to store all of my excess stuff.) "
Warden's Keep was nothing compared to how bad some of the other DLC was. Darkspawn Chronicles is basically king, for being a full hour or so of aggressively bad tedium, but Golems of Agmarack wasn't so good either, it's lauded difficulty mostly coming from the part where there are 6 golems all throwing rocks at you over and over again. Haven't played Return to Ostagar, and haven't played Leliana's Song, so I don't know how those shaped up. Witch Hunt is alright, mostly because it seems like Bioware put actual effort into it instead of just a B team of level programmers. Still not great. Shale is a weird case, basically being part of the main game anyways. Of course, if you had to buy it separately $15 is a little too steep, even for a party member as good as Shale.  Thus, my expectations are somewhat... low. Thankfully, I pre-ordered the signature edition and won't have to pay for the Exiled Prince and will also get all the meaningless items I just derided.
 
Basically, what I've figured out is that all DLC from all developers is a gamble of quality at this point. Fallout 3 had exactly 2 good pieces of content, Mass Effect 2's free stuff wasn't great (paid stuff was alright, I guess. Shadow Broker was pretty amazing), both of the Resident Evil 5 packs were passable, and Borderlands was pretty mixed too. There's no real consistency to any of it as game developers are still figuring out what works and what doesn't. Shadow Broker does. Horse Armor doesn't.
Posted by amomjc

This kind of DLC is the kind that upsets me. I enjoy "expansion" packs after day one that increase your time spent in the game. Those rings and everything really add nothing to the atmosphere to game other than "look what I got lifting a finger!"
 
If developers could just stick to solid content for DLC, then that part of the industry might actually flourish.

Posted by perilator666

All that junk will be in the ULTIMATE EDITION anyway. It is extremely gay in my honest opinion. And not the good kind of gay. The worst kind.

Posted by kingzetta

Well the only real DLC there is  The Exiled Prince.
The rest are just swords, shields and rings I won't not even call that DLC.

Posted by Brodehouse
@benjaebe said:
I really do, but I can't help but question why half of this stuff couldn't just be in the game.
Because there's probably already a fuckton of great loot already in the game, and they're trying to goose people into pre-orders.  I don't understand, they make the game with all the stuff in it, then there's all this bonus stuff they create to get people to buy new, and you're upset about what?  If the game doesn't have enough loot without the bonus stuff, you shouldn't buy the game.  But of course it has enough loot in it, and they just want to get you to pre-order, so they give you an incentive.
 
You're actually asking for there to be no bonus items whatsoever.  If it wasn't for them trying to get pre-orders and new copy sales, they wouldn't even waste their time making this stuff.
Posted by KamikazeCaterpillar
@MarkWahlberg said:
" Well, they're all just items, so it's not that big a deal.  "
This.
Posted by Lukeweizer

Definitely a lot of DLC there. Trying to recoup costs. Does kinda turn me off that people can just pay to get the good items instead of playing the game.

Edited by kingzetta
@Hailinel said:

" @ArbitraryWater said:

" If those items are anything like the ones that you got with the original Dragon Age, they're alright, but will eventually be outclassed by something else you find in game (although, to be fair, the Blood Dragon armor was probably the single best piece of heavy armor in the base game). Sure, there's an absolute shit ton of them, but the only things you should care about are the Companion Quest and the Black Emporium, as those are the only things that represent meaningful content instead of just fluffy bonus items of dubious quality. "
I have to wonder just how worthwhile the quest DLC will actually be, though.  The downloadable quests for the first game were by and large disappointing and shallow, with the only purpose behind them to acquire content that should have been in the base game (i.e.: A chest to store all of my excess stuff.) "
Well you really didn't need the chest. I thought I needed the chest, so I bought. After I had five minutes with it I said to myself "Why am I storing this stuff?"  Why was I keeping armor and weapons I was not using? If the stuff was not good enough to have on hand, why keep it? Same with Borderlands
Posted by benjaebe
@Brodehouse: The majority of it actually isn't preorder DLC at all. It's stupid stuff, like signing up for a newsletter or visiting their Penny Arcade promotion page, playing their Facebook game or spending $15 dollars at a replica weapons shop only tangentially related to the game. For Origins they even had DLC you could only get by shopping at Hot Topic.
 
I'm not against pre-order stuff because I know that's how they give incentive for people to preorder their game, it's just the overwhelming amount of DLC that they're giving out for pointless random shit makes me wonder.
Posted by kingzetta
@benjaebe: get over it only one is actually worth haveing.
Posted by Dizazter

Can Haz Moar Horze Armorz!
 
Yeah its getting a little out of control with the DLC, particularly the day one promotion pre-order stuff.
 
Honestly I feel like pre-order DLC is a joke 90%. They can never make it too good, or people who buy the game later will feel pissed off and gipped. But they have to make it good enough to sound appetizing to game hyped consumers before the game is released, cause let's face it, if you find out your preorder special was junk, 9 times out of 10 you won't care, cause you'll be too buried in the game to notice.

Posted by Hailinel
@zoskia said:
" All that junk will be in the ULTIMATE EDITION anyway. It is extremely gay in my honest opinion. And not the good kind of gay. The worst kind. "
It's really not necessary to use that word as a pejorative.  Surely you can think of something else to call it.
Posted by kingzetta
@Lukeweizer said:
" Definitely a lot of DLC there. Trying to recoup costs. Does kinda turn me off that people can just pay to get the good items instead of playing the game. "
How does how other people play affect the way you will play? If people want to buy the best stuff up front, it's up to them.
Sure they won't earn it, but you can earn it in your game.
Posted by fox01313

I can somewhat see them going crazy with the DLC on the pc versions due to it being easier to add in content to it, for the consoles I'd hope that they'd at least put all the weapon extras as a single pack to discover in the game. To put the weapons of that number out separately as different areas of DLC is a bit silly to me though I can understand why they are wanting to provide bonuses to users in all these areas. 
 
My issue with DLC weapons like this, Dragon Age 1 & even with Mass Effect2 was without any real way to compare existing weapons in the game to these DLC items, it made them as something completely voluntary. As in I didn't want to get them as they might not be any better than what I had at the time or just not worth the effort to get, I'd rather have DLC weapons/trinkets as free DLC per console/PC then have the paying DLC for the bonus missions.

Posted by Mr_Skeleton

Most of these items are pretty meaningless and wont be worth keeping after playing the game for two hours, you are NOT losing anything by playing without them and if for some reason you feel that you got screwed because you didn't get a +2 sword that makes the begining of the game way too easy than you have bigger problems than too much DLC.

Posted by Lukeweizer
@kingzetta said:
" @Lukeweizer said:
" Definitely a lot of DLC there. Trying to recoup costs. Does kinda turn me off that people can just pay to get the good items instead of playing the game. "
How does how other people play affect the way you will play? If people want to buy the best stuff up front, it's up to them. Sure they won't earn it, but you can earn it in your game. "
It's kind of a cheap cop out more on the business front. They don't care enough about the game, they just want people to pay as much money as possible. Just business I guess.
Posted by kingzetta
@Lukeweizer said:
" @kingzetta said:
" @Lukeweizer said:
" Definitely a lot of DLC there. Trying to recoup costs. Does kinda turn me off that people can just pay to get the good items instead of playing the game. "
How does how other people play affect the way you will play? If people want to buy the best stuff up front, it's up to them. Sure they won't earn it, but you can earn it in your game. "
It's kind of a cheap cop out more on the business front. They don't care enough about the game, they just want people to pay as much money as possible. Just business I guess. "
I think that's a bit over dramatic.
Posted by Lukeweizer
@kingzetta said:
" @Lukeweizer said:
" @kingzetta said:
" @Lukeweizer said:
" Definitely a lot of DLC there. Trying to recoup costs. Does kinda turn me off that people can just pay to get the good items instead of playing the game. "
How does how other people play affect the way you will play? If people want to buy the best stuff up front, it's up to them. Sure they won't earn it, but you can earn it in your game. "
It's kind of a cheap cop out more on the business front. They don't care enough about the game, they just want people to pay as much money as possible. Just business I guess. "
I think that's a bit over dramatic. "
I'm sure the upper-management thinks that way. But they're all slime balls anyway.
Posted by kingzetta
@Lukeweizer said:
" @kingzetta said:
" @Lukeweizer said:
" @kingzetta said:
" @Lukeweizer said:
" Definitely a lot of DLC there. Trying to recoup costs. Does kinda turn me off that people can just pay to get the good items instead of playing the game. "
How does how other people play affect the way you will play? If people want to buy the best stuff up front, it's up to them. Sure they won't earn it, but you can earn it in your game. "
It's kind of a cheap cop out more on the business front. They don't care enough about the game, they just want people to pay as much money as possible. Just business I guess. "
I think that's a bit over dramatic. "
I'm sure the upper-management thinks that way. But they're all slime balls anyway. "
Then don't play their games, if you hate them so much.
Posted by DeShawn2ks

Meh doesn't affect me none. Most of that stuff I won't even use or get. Only DLC I am interested in is Exiled Prince.

Posted by Lukeweizer
@kingzetta said:
" @Lukeweizer said:
" @kingzetta said:
" @Lukeweizer said:
" @kingzetta said:
" @Lukeweizer said:
" Definitely a lot of DLC there. Trying to recoup costs. Does kinda turn me off that people can just pay to get the good items instead of playing the game. "
How does how other people play affect the way you will play? If people want to buy the best stuff up front, it's up to them. Sure they won't earn it, but you can earn it in your game. "
It's kind of a cheap cop out more on the business front. They don't care enough about the game, they just want people to pay as much money as possible. Just business I guess. "
I think that's a bit over dramatic. "
I'm sure the upper-management thinks that way. But they're all slime balls anyway. "
Then don't play their games, if you hate them so much. "
Did I say I hate them?
Posted by kingzetta
@Lukeweizer said:
" @kingzetta said:
" @Lukeweizer said:
" @kingzetta said:
" @Lukeweizer said:
" @kingzetta said:
" @Lukeweizer said:
" Definitely a lot of DLC there. Trying to recoup costs. Does kinda turn me off that people can just pay to get the good items instead of playing the game. "
How does how other people play affect the way you will play? If people want to buy the best stuff up front, it's up to them. Sure they won't earn it, but you can earn it in your game. "
It's kind of a cheap cop out more on the business front. They don't care enough about the game, they just want people to pay as much money as possible. Just business I guess. "
I think that's a bit over dramatic. "
I'm sure the upper-management thinks that way. But they're all slime balls anyway. "
Then don't play their games, if you hate them so much. "
Did I say I hate them? "
Well "smileball" ain't pillow talk sonny
Posted by Veektarius
@hmmisee: I agree.  Nothing sucks more in my opinion than finding this really interesting weapon or ring on a boss and then looking at my gear and saying "Oh wait, this one I got for pre-ordering is much better".  Just give me the Prince and keep the rest.
Posted by Tally_Pants

Yeah all of that junky DLC for just a weapon...no way am I ever going to pay $0.99 for a sword in a video game...i just can't justify that. But the different retailers all getting separate pre-order bonus' does get annoying! I'm pretty sure that I pre-ordered Batman at EBGames before I was even aware that Wal-Mart was offering something else. I only get DLC if its more game play!

Posted by MordeaniisChaos

Most of it is really small stuff, basic weapons and armor that won't have a huge effect on the game. The rest is cool stuff. I'm only bothered that they screwed so many people out of the signature edition, and that there has yet to be a collectors edition with all of the stuff included.

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