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GOTY Awards are Useless

At the end of each year, the gaming community comes together to argue and fight about the Game of the Year.  I think this is an incredibly useless and illogical ritual, and let me tell you why.   
What is a GOTY?  There is no clear definition, but I think most people think it is 'the best game that came out in a specific year'.  This means that if you give the title of GOTY to a game, then no other game that came out in that year is better than the GOTY.  So, what makes a game better than another?  There are two things to consider, the objective and the subjective.  The objective things that people consider are: Does the game have any glitches?  Are there any texture pop-ins?  Is there any clipping?  Does the game tend to freeze?  In short, the objective represents the physical construction and coding of a game.  Either a game is well constructed, or it isn't.  The subjective represents personal opinions: Was the game fun?  Did I like the story?  Did I like the look and feel of the game?  Both the subjective and objective play a part in deciding on a GOTY, but it seems that the subjective is more dominant.  Because subjective opinion is used in determining a GOTY, that means a GOTY for one person may not be a GOTY for another.   
A GOTY is very different that a game review.  A good review points out the positives and negatives of a game to help the consumer make a decision on whether or not they want to play or purchase the game.  However, a GOTY's only purpose is to say 'this game is better than all others this year'.  How is this useful to anyone?  The only thing I can think of is that a publisher could put GOTY on the box of their game.  It does not help the gaming community at all.  It only creates more arguments and trolling.  
It is a fact that games are multi-media mediums.  They incorporate writing, acting, music, sound, images, video, and the interactive experience that is unique to games.  In my subjective opinion, some games have better sound or graphics, and some games have better story or interaction.  I also think that people like different games for different reasons, like better graphics or story.  So when a GOTY is picked, there will be people that dislike it for many different reasons. 
So, it all comes down to the publication.  A GOTY is just what a certain media outlet thinks is the best game that came out in a certain year.  I don't know about you, but I couldn't care less about what a bunch of writers think is the best game of the year.   
I am writing about all this because I have been unmoved by the game of the year selections from the past decade.  Uncharted 2 as been named Game of the Year for 2009 in almost every single video game publication.  I have a PS3, and I played Uncharted 2.  I didn't finish it, I got up to chapter 5 or 6 I think.  I found the game incredibly boring.  I hated the way Drake jumps and moves around, I hated the combat, the story was uninteresting, and I found the humor in the game unfunny.  Sure, the graphics are quite impressive, but as I mentioned before, people like different games for different reasons, and graphics alone do not make me like a game.  So I am an example of someone who disagrees with last year's GOTY.  This is because my subjective opinion is different than everyone else's.  Again, a GOTY is also just a subjective opinion too.   
In conclusion, GOTY awards are useless.  They do nobody any good, and they propagate more fighting within the video game community.  Gaming journalists spend hours deliberating GOTY awards, all for nothing.   
 
Anyone agree or disagree with me?  

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At the end of each year, the gaming community comes together to argue and fight about the Game of the Year.  I think this is an incredibly useless and illogical ritual, and let me tell you why.   
What is a GOTY?  There is no clear definition, but I think most people think it is 'the best game that came out in a specific year'.  This means that if you give the title of GOTY to a game, then no other game that came out in that year is better than the GOTY.  So, what makes a game better than another?  There are two things to consider, the objective and the subjective.  The objective things that people consider are: Does the game have any glitches?  Are there any texture pop-ins?  Is there any clipping?  Does the game tend to freeze?  In short, the objective represents the physical construction and coding of a game.  Either a game is well constructed, or it isn't.  The subjective represents personal opinions: Was the game fun?  Did I like the story?  Did I like the look and feel of the game?  Both the subjective and objective play a part in deciding on a GOTY, but it seems that the subjective is more dominant.  Because subjective opinion is used in determining a GOTY, that means a GOTY for one person may not be a GOTY for another.   
A GOTY is very different that a game review.  A good review points out the positives and negatives of a game to help the consumer make a decision on whether or not they want to play or purchase the game.  However, a GOTY's only purpose is to say 'this game is better than all others this year'.  How is this useful to anyone?  The only thing I can think of is that a publisher could put GOTY on the box of their game.  It does not help the gaming community at all.  It only creates more arguments and trolling.  
It is a fact that games are multi-media mediums.  They incorporate writing, acting, music, sound, images, video, and the interactive experience that is unique to games.  In my subjective opinion, some games have better sound or graphics, and some games have better story or interaction.  I also think that people like different games for different reasons, like better graphics or story.  So when a GOTY is picked, there will be people that dislike it for many different reasons. 
So, it all comes down to the publication.  A GOTY is just what a certain media outlet thinks is the best game that came out in a certain year.  I don't know about you, but I couldn't care less about what a bunch of writers think is the best game of the year.   
I am writing about all this because I have been unmoved by the game of the year selections from the past decade.  Uncharted 2 as been named Game of the Year for 2009 in almost every single video game publication.  I have a PS3, and I played Uncharted 2.  I didn't finish it, I got up to chapter 5 or 6 I think.  I found the game incredibly boring.  I hated the way Drake jumps and moves around, I hated the combat, the story was uninteresting, and I found the humor in the game unfunny.  Sure, the graphics are quite impressive, but as I mentioned before, people like different games for different reasons, and graphics alone do not make me like a game.  So I am an example of someone who disagrees with last year's GOTY.  This is because my subjective opinion is different than everyone else's.  Again, a GOTY is also just a subjective opinion too.   
In conclusion, GOTY awards are useless.  They do nobody any good, and they propagate more fighting within the video game community.  Gaming journalists spend hours deliberating GOTY awards, all for nothing.   
 
Anyone agree or disagree with me?  

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I disagree with you.  GOTY awards are useful.  You say that Uncharted 2 didn't deserve GOTY because it doesn't represent your interpretation of a good game.  But if majority of media outlets describe this game as GOTY.  Then chances are majority of people are going to agree or enjoy the game as well.  And that is your reason why publishers put that stamp on the box.  Because the majority of people are going to agree with that statement.

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But if there was no GOTY awards there would be no GOTY collecters version of the game
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Threads hating on GOTY awards are useless.

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If we don't decide the 2010 game of the year right now, the entire industry could be at stake!

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Personally, I don't read it as 'Game of the Year' as much as 'Must-buy'.

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Your subjective view that Uncharted 2 is not an enjoyable game is your subjective view. In the case of the subjective views of the four Giant Bomb personel, the combination of  "writing, acting, music, sound, images, video, and the interactive experience that is unique to games" was the greatest in Uncharted 2 out of all games released in 2009.
 
Using this criteria, the Oscars might also be seen as useless; since the Film OTY will need to have a good combination of writing, acting, directing and sound design to be considered as the best film of the year. Although more people decide, this is not done on a metric, rather it is done on a subjective basis.
 
Finally if you don't care, without flaming you the correct thing to do would be to ignore these things; though to do so would in my opinion leave you without a good platform for discussion and reflection upon the year in gaming.

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@fwylo: I did not specifically say Uncharted 2 did not deserve GOTY, my point was that no game does.  What is the point of giving an opinion just so people can agree with it?  
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It's the writer's game of the year, not your game of the year.  You can have your own game of the year too.

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@Metal_Gear_Sunny said:
" Threads hating on GOTY awards are useless. "
Your comment is useless.
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@dbz1995 said:
" Personally, I don't read it as 'Game of the Year' as much as 'Must-buy'. "
Interesting, but there are usually more than one must-buy games in a year.
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@ErgoProxy77 said:
" @Metal_Gear_Sunny said:
" Threads hating on GOTY awards are useless. "
Your comment is useless. "
YO MAMMA
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your useless threads are more useless...

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@ErgoProxy77 said:
" @dbz1995 said:
" Personally, I don't read it as 'Game of the Year' as much as 'Must-buy'. "
Interesting, but there are usually more than one must-buy games in a year. "
And most gaming websites have different GOTY.
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@ErgoProxy77: You used Uncharted 2 as an example so I used it as well.
 
How is it possible that all GOTY awards are useless if the top game of the year seems to be in the top 3 of almost everybody's lists.  It is just a massive recommendation basically.  Like saying.  If you are going to play any game from 2009.  It might as well be Uncharted 2 because it is one of the best games of that year.  Feel free to replace whatever game with whatever year.
 
You may think that it is a terrible game.  But you don't represent the majority who does.  So some random who comes off the street has a 80% chance of being part of the majority who will like it instead of part of the 20% who don't. (Don't use those percentages it was just a random number pull.  
 
I'm just saying that I see GOTY choices are basically just a majority choice.  I've never read a GOTY review choice that says. "THIS IS THE BEST GAME OF THIS YEAR".  They merely say this game stands out the most because of graphics, gameplay, etc. whatever, "You might not want to pass this one up."
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@ErgoProxy77 said:
" @dbz1995 said:
" Personally, I don't read it as 'Game of the Year' as much as 'Must-buy'. "
Interesting, but there are usually more than one must-buy games in a year. "
I'm not denying that, but if I missed out the Game of the Year, it's a reminder that I should get it. I would have missed out on Uncharted 2 if it hadn't been given GOTY.
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@Nexas said:
" @ErgoProxy77 said:
" @dbz1995 said:
" Personally, I don't read it as 'Game of the Year' as much as 'Must-buy'. "
Interesting, but there are usually more than one must-buy games in a year. "
And most gaming websites have different GOTY. "
Well, normally I see the validity of the site (so, whether I agree with its comments-I'll often watch the game of the year video to ensure it is a game I'd like) and buy a fair majority of them (so say 2 or 3-in last year's case Demon's Souls and Uncharted 2).
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@fwylo: Ok, so it's a popularity contest.  So instead of Game of the Year, shouldn't it be Most Popular Game of the Year?  
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@ErgoProxy77: Sure you could look at it that way if it makes it easier for you.  But being "Most Popular Game of the Year".  Makes it the "Game of the Year."
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@fwylo: Well according to sales, Modern Warfare 2 was the most popular.  So why have so many journalists named Uncharted 2 as GOTY?  It's because popularity is only one factor of a bigger equation.
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Game of the Year is a much more useful concept than review scores. But I don't think Game of the Year awards are useless. For one, it allows for games that do stuff well to be highlighted - perhaps games that one has overlooked, missed, or has simply neglected to pick up. Clearly you've been a bit bamboozled by near all of the major websites giving their Game of the Year to Uncharted 2, but it seems to me that rarely is there a game (like Uncharted 2) that so clearly deserves the award above its competition. Take the Giant Bomb awards - they've picked games that may or may not have been overlooked by some, like Shadow Complex, for example.
 
As for arguing in communities; well, that's something I legitimately enjoy. As long as it's more a debate than a flame war, right? If somebody believes that Assassin's Creed II should have been game of the year - they're wrong for starters, but I'm happy to discuss it with them. :)

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" @ErgoProxy77: And you are no worse than Hitler and the Nazis, and under Godwin's law this thread can progress no futher and must be locked "
Actually you are no worse than the Nazis, because you want to censor my opinion.  The Nazis liked to censor stuff they didn't agree with too.
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@ErgoProxy77: Just because it was the most purchased game doesn't mean its the most popular.  Probably tons of people who bought Uncharted also bought MW2, but if they keep talking about Uncharted after they play both, then Uncharted wins the "Popularity Contest". 
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@fwylo: So people are talking about it, and that makes a GOTY?  Ok, but pointing that out does not seem to have a point.  Then a GOTY is just an observation and not a prestigious award that it claims to be.
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@ErgoProxy77: You're are taking things too literally.
 
You related it to a popularity contest, so obviously people like it, and if you like something chances are you are going to be talking about it.  Isn't that what any award is though?  An observation.  
 
It was observed by the whole community of GB that Uncharted was GOTY.
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The GOTY is more of a recommendation. Sometimes when I'm low on money, and want a dogfight between games that I should buy. I didn't buy UC2 until after Christmas (even though brad told me to in the review). It really is subjective. Fallout 3 had a crapload of glitches and bugs. I've lost hours of saves, and some missions I couldn't finish because they don't trigger. But subjectively that was my goty 2008

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@ErgoProxy77 said:
" @fwylo: So people are talking about it, and that makes a GOTY?  Ok, but pointing that out does not seem to have a point.  Then a GOTY is just an observation and not a prestigious award that it claims to be. "
You seem to be assuming that the GOTY award is some magical talking award that is the end-all, be-all of the awards. It's the game that each gaming website (or user) feels is the best game of that year. And of course it's subjective. There is no other way to give a gaming reward. There's no way to review anything without being subjective.
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@fwylo: Incorrect.  It was NOT observed by the WHOLE community that Uncharted 2 was GOTY.  There were and always will be minority views.  So, if we know that there are always going to be different opinions, what is the point of giving an award on the basis of only one of them?  I'm just saying that GOTY awards (even if I really love a game that got one) are pointless.  If it is just a game that the majority of people liked, then leave the GOTY awards to industry analysts and not journalists.
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@ErgoProxy77 said:
" @fwylo: Incorrect.  It was NOT observed by the WHOLE community that Uncharted 2 was GOTY.  There were and always will be minority views.  So, if we know that there are always going to be different opinions, what is the point of giving an award on the basis of only one of them?  I'm just saying that GOTY awards (even if I really love a game that got one) are pointless.  If it is just a game that the majority of people liked, then leave the GOTY awards to industry analysts and not journalists. "
 
 
It was observed by enough of the GB community to win the GB Users GOTY. 
 
It's like the Oscars. People will always disagree with the results. Does that make the Oscars useless? No. They, like GOTY awards, celebrate achievements in the year of film and gaming respectively.
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@davidwitten22 said:
" @ErgoProxy77 said:
" @fwylo: So people are talking about it, and that makes a GOTY?  Ok, but pointing that out does not seem to have a point.  Then a GOTY is just an observation and not a prestigious award that it claims to be. "
You seem to be assuming that the GOTY award is some magical talking award that is the end-all, be-all of the awards. It's the game that each gaming website (or user) feels is the best game of that year. And of course it's subjective. There is no other way to give a gaming reward. There's no way to review anything without being subjective. "
Duh, did you even read my original blog post?  What do you mean it's not the end-all be-all of awards?  What bigger award is there in video games?  Awards are a big deal (for some stupid reason) to people, even though they are only opinions.  It is a waste.
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@VelvetLore04: Yes, everyone, let's celebrate another great year of video games by telling everyone that X game was better than all the rest this year!   
 
And by the way, you think the Oscars are not useless?  Why spend millions of dollars so that celebrities can have a night out to get golden statues?
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@ErgoProxy77: ... Go back to the GB GOTY awards.  Look at the community vote.  Top game is Uncharted 2?  Majority Rules. Democracy is a bitch.
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@ErgoProxy77 said:
" @VelvetLore04: Yes, everyone, let's celebrate another great year of video games by telling everyone that X game was better than all the rest this year!    And by the way, you think the Oscars are not useless?  Why spend millions of dollars so that celebrities can have a night out to get golden statues? "
If a game gets nominated for GOTY, that doesn't mean it's a worse game than the winner. It's of such a quality that it is one of the best games released in that year. There can be only one winner, but that doesn't mean the other nominees are  inferior. Take for example the GOTY Bombcast. Jeff and I think Vinny were arguing over Batman being GOTY over Uncharted 2. That kind of thing happens all across the board. Because Uncharted 2 won GBs GOTY, does that now mean it's a better game than Batman? Not at all. This isnt the Olympics. Awards are handled by a panel of people and they RARELY all agree on one thing. It is the job of people in favor of one to sway the others to their side and vice versa. There's always more than one category in GOTY awards that celebrate different aspects of video games. The nominees shouldn't be looked down upon because they didn't win. On the contrary, They should ALSO be looked at/played by people. It's just that in the opinion of the panel, one game was a better overall experience than the others, but that doesn't discount the quality of the other games. 
 
And the Oscars are not useless. If you think it's just for celebrities (despite only about five categories even aimed AT actual celebrities) then you are missing the point of the Oscars.  They are to celebrate the art of film and the various aspects involved in advancing the medium. Which is why there are so many various categories. Just like GOTY awards. Just like the Emmys. Just like any other major awards program.
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@ErgoProxy77 said:
" @davidwitten22 said:
" @ErgoProxy77 said:
" @fwylo: So people are talking about it, and that makes a GOTY?  Ok, but pointing that out does not seem to have a point.  Then a GOTY is just an observation and not a prestigious award that it claims to be. "
You seem to be assuming that the GOTY award is some magical talking award that is the end-all, be-all of the awards. It's the game that each gaming website (or user) feels is the best game of that year. And of course it's subjective. There is no other way to give a gaming reward. There's no way to review anything without being subjective. "
Duh, did you even read my original blog post?  What do you mean it's not the end-all be-all of awards?  What bigger award is there in video games?  Awards are a big deal (for some stupid reason) to people, even though they are only opinions.  It is a waste. "
All video game awards are arbitrary because they're just chosen by a website. There are hundreds of websites that give out GOTY awards, so it's not like Uncharted 2 was GOTY. It was at Giantbomb, but it wasn't at Gamespot. If there were 20 oscars given out for "Best movie" then it would be a real comparison, but it's not. Because there aren't 20 different Oscars for Best Movie, there's one. If you think awards are a waste then just don't listen to them or bother with them. I don't know what you expect to accomplish by saying you don't like GOTY awards and then fighting your opinion to the death.
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@davidwitten22: I only fight for my opinion when people attack it.
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@fwylo: Ok dude, I don't care what game was chosen for any GOTY at all.  I am saying that the concept of GOTY and all other awards are pointless indulgences.   
 
Haha, democracy, look where it got the United States.....
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@ErgoProxy77: Man, like I said before, Uncharted 2 is just an example.
 

 Like saying.  If you are going to play any game from 2009.  It might as well be Uncharted 2 because it is one of the best games of that year.  Feel free to replace whatever game with whatever year.

 I'm done with this conversation, obviously you aren't using logic anymore.
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@fwylo: Actually I am using logic, it's just you don't agree with my opinion.  That's fine, but don't say I'm not using logic.  Let me outline my opinion in a logical equation. 
 
Premise 1: GOTY awards represent the general opinion of the majority of gamers. 
Premise 2: People have subjective opinions of video games.  
Premise 3: I have a different subjective opinions than everyone else.  
Premise 4: No one else's opinion matter more than your own. 
Conclusion: GOTY awards do not matter to me. 
 
Don't tell me I'm not using logic.
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@ErgoProxy77: I wasn't going to respond. But whatever work is boring.
 
The flaw in your OP is in your 3rd Premise and your Conclusion.  You say "I have a different subjective opinion than everyone else."  Which is fine because in your conclusion you say "GOTY awards do not matter to me."  But in your OP you state.
 


 In conclusion, GOTY awards are useless.  They do nobody any good, and they propagate more fighting within the video game community.  Gaming journalists spend hours deliberating GOTY awards, all for nothing.

 So in your new conclusion you are saying GOTY awards do not matter to you, who has a complete different subjective opinion than everyone else.  So I don't know you, maybe you play games lots maybe you don't I could really care less.  What I'm saying is these awards maybe aren't for you then.  Someone who has a certain style of game that they enjoy or what the fuck ever.  But picture this, some 15 year old kid who got a PS3 and a gift certificate to Game Stop for Christmas Walks into his local Game Stop on Saturday afternoon, looks at the shelves and can't decide what game he wants.  Looks over all the games and sees "Uncharted 2 GOTY Edition.  Says "Oh look GOTY it must be good." Maybe he doesn't know how good his graphics could be, or gameplay, or whatever.  But the majority of people liked it, so chances are he is going to like it. Using an example from this year...it's better he picks up Uncharted than Demon's Souls which would probably make him never touch a video game system again. But Demon's Souls is an awesome game, but not for everyone.
 
Its just a general recommendation.  You, yourself just said that YOU have a different subjective opinion than everyone else but as a GB community member I assume you have some sort of video game knowledge and can make decisions for yourself.  GOTY awards exist for the people that are uninformed or somehow missed out.  Sure the company gets some bragging rights of course and can put a shiny gold sticker on their case.  But because the majority of people with all different types of subjective opinions, came to the conclusion that this had the most enjoyable subjective qualities, it became GOTY.
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@fwylo: But what if that 15 year old kid buys a game with a GOTY sticker on it and hates it?  The GOTY sticker will not work as a recommendation 100% of the time.  Also, you point out that my 3rd premise and conclusion are false, but you fail to provide a correction.  As of now, I am still think I am correct in my logic.  And don't try and merge my original post with my logical outline, the two are very different.  The logical outline shows how I came to the conclusion that I dod not care for GOTY awards.  My original post is both a collection of opinions and rational arguments.  Fact: I DO have a different subjective opinion from everyone else.  I know this because nobody else has has my specific and unique life experience.  No two people are the same and you cannot deny that.  My conclusion is not false because the premises pit me against the majority.  My premises shows that I am different from the majority, so the opinions of the majority do not matter to me at all.
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@ErgoProxy77: My god man.  Obviously not 100% of the time. Majority.. is the key word of all of this.  
 
Don't merge your post with your outline?  How could they possibly be different.  How could you make a post describing how you feel towards a certain subject.  Then outline your logic how you came to that conclusion.  Then say they are different. 
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@fwylo: My logical outline represents only one of my views in a basic form.  My original post is a collection of my opinions that appear in a different form than that of my logical outline.  They are different, just like the Lord of the Rings books are different than books written about the Lord of the Rings books.  Same subject matter, different ideas and construction.   
 
So far, the only purpose of GOTY that you have argued is that it is a recommendation that will not work 100% of the time.  Game reviews already accomplish this.
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Now that you mention it, I think they are useful as long as the people making them admit that the list is subjective, sort of like the personal GOTY lists on GB a few weeks ago.

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Wait so GOTY awards are subjective? Who knew? 
 
All the same they are an interesting thing to follow and I quite like seeing how the major sites respond each time. Same goes for reviews and there are some I'll pay more attention to than others. 
@ErgoProxy77 said:

"GOTY awards represent the general opinion of the majority of gamers."  
     
Giant Bomb's GOTY was decided by a handful of people. I don't think the staff have ever claimed their opinions represent those of the majority of gamers. 

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I will try to voice my opinion very breif.  

I like the GOTY time of the year. Why? Because it's the time of year I can tell people I'm more right then them? Of course not. The GOTY period is not there to fullfill my own ego or view of things but rather a period of reflection back on the year that went by. That is the best part when you asign GOTY awards, if you take it seriously. You reflect, dig and really start to nitpick why you like or don't like stuff. On top of that your initial feelings for a game have had time to cool down a bit wich is healthy when you're trying to look at stuff in a critisizing way. I 
t is also very interesting to hear the motivation behind the choice if it's explained in depth. I would say Giantbomb and Gamespot were the best ones this year to really explain why they choose the games they did. We can disagree but it's still very interesting to hear the logic behind the choices. I for one did not see the strenght in Demon Souls until I listned to Gamespots 10 minute long motivation for their GOTY award. After that I got reallt curoious about the game, even though it's not my type of game I can appreciate what it does if you look at the big picture.
 
Yeah... that's my thought on GOTY. It's a time for reflection and time when you get into in-depth discussions. Is it personal? Kinda, but that does not make the results worth less.