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The Enemy of My Enemy Keeps Trying to Kill Me

I’ll give the orcs this: they are more than willing to lay aside their numerous and varied beefs with one another if it means killing a human. They’ll be vocal about it too; interrupting one captain’s duel resulted in Gashnak (or something like that) the Eagle-Eyed informing me that first he was going to kill me, then he would kill the fellow he was dueling—or perhaps, on second thought, they would just both kill me together. You know, as a team-building exercise. The other orc in the fight was obviously a bit miffed that Gashnak still thought he could take him, but on the other hand reckoned he would just as well kill a human (or more accurately, a “filthy tark,” because they love throwing that word around and frankly I love that they keep using Tolkein’s made-up words that show up all of once in the books) while he was at it.

Neither captain wound up really “winning” the duel in the strictest sense, because I slaughtered both of them. Gashnak had about five seconds to savor his victory before I set him on fire, then chased his cowardly hide down and away from his friends to dive into his mind, gain some intel, and snap his mind like a brittle twig. I really like snapping the minds of captains like brittle twigs—you get great intel, for starters, and it gives me a feeling like I’m really using the whole buffalo. There are few things more satisfying than grabbing an orc unawares and dominating his tiny brain, sifting through its contents to find out which captain hates which and whether or not anyone has a date to orc prom. I think Plugshit the Incontinent has a crush on Fluktarg the Cowardly!

Tarz doesn't have a date to prom. It's very embarrassing for him.
Tarz doesn't have a date to prom. It's very embarrassing for him.

I’ve gotten almost comically invested in the social lives of orcs, even if they are trying to kill me. There are few things more entertaining than listening to the lowly peons talk shit about their captain, because they saw him turn tail and run away from the Grave Walker. Occasionally, they sound like they’re plotting to do away with their captains—although I’ve not yet seen any orc naturally rise through the ranks by murdering his superior. It might be something that doesn’t happen, although with the way Shadows of Mordor keeps surprising me, I’m not willing to rule it out completely.

By far my favorite thing (at least so far) has been my relationship with Pugh the Disgusting, some random-ass orc captain that was already in power when the game started. He was low-ranking, and showed up unexpectedly while I was busy trying to kill someone else. He’d heard of me, or so he claimed, and killing me would show how powerful he was. But oh, the poor dear, he wasn’t actually all that powerful. In fact, I failed killing my original target, but I sure did have time to kill Pugh. Or more accurately, his own men had time to kill Pugh as I used him for a shield (I might have also shanked him a few times).

This is sort of what Pugh looks like, although I don't think Pugh has the iron cross in his head. Well, he might. I didn't get a good look at him last time.
This is sort of what Pugh looks like, although I don't think Pugh has the iron cross in his head. Well, he might. I didn't get a good look at him last time.

Now, I’d heard that sometimes a captain will come back and seek revenge, so I wasn’t terribly surprised when he showed up in the middle of another melee looking slightly uglier than before (and bear in mind, this is an orc whose title was “the Disgusting,” so he wasn’t winning any Miss Mordor competitions to begin with). Now he had a scar splitting his face where an errant axe had hit him (not my fault! Sort of!), and seemed very insistent that having left him for dead was a mistake. This time he proved correct, slightly, as I got distracted whaling on his ass again and fell to the captain I’d set out to kill in the first place, a spear throwing fellow who had, at this point, got the better of me four times. I really, really did not like the spear throwing fellow—and he really, really liked gloating about how many times he’d killed me whenever I took another crack at him.

So Pugh got a little notoriety because he’d at least been in the same general vicinity when I got killed, and thus could be said to have survived an encounter with the Grave Walker. He moved to consolidate power by holding a recruitment drive—a drive which I took it upon myself to visit. Earlier interrogations had informed me that Pugh was quite vulnerable to stealth attacks, so it was a simple matter of climbing the wall around his encampment, distracting him so that he’d wander over, and plunging my knife into his neck from above. At this point, you could say that shit was on, at least in his mind. I had other, more powerful captains to kill, so sending his corpse back down the ranks wasn’t exactly the victory of the century or anything.

Pugh though, he got super angry, and also now he had some real ugly scars on a face that was already covered in pustules and the like. He also invested in better armor and, apparently, was wise to my stealth-killing ways. He and three other captains hunted me down while I was attempting the delicate task of finding some herbs and debating whether or not to look up Gollum for more information on my wraithly companion. I made short work of the rank and file, but the three captains proved more trouble than I’d expected. Discretion at this point was the better part of valor, so I fled the scene—but not too far, just enough to get them to reorganize into hunting parties and spread out again. Then I waited for them to separate and, well, you should know by now. Two captains died, and imagine my surprise and delight when old Pugh showed up again, bellowing angrily that his men all referred to him as the Scarred now (as if that wasn’t an improvement upon being known as the Disgusting. If you ask me, I did him a favor). This time I managed to separate him from his men, and then it was interrogation time. I gained intel on one of the highest-ranking captains (I haven’t tried to go for intel on a Warchief yet, and I’m not sure you actually can until you get to a certain part in the story missions, but I could be completely off base there), left him for dead, moved on.

Now, nobody will follow him. He doesn’t travel with a coterie of hangers-on anymore, he just shows up randomly, tries to kill me, and winds up providing me with more intel. Meanwhile I’ve got heated rivalries to deal with, and high-ranking captains I desperately want to kill, but every time I get involved in a mission, there’s Pugh, bringing up the rear and yelling that his men no longer respect him. I have made it a point to not kill him unless I am able to interrogate him, because the dude is a goldmine. He seems to know everything about everybody, presumably because he keeps lurking around their camps offering to help kill me.

Crazily, the whole back-and-forth I have with Pugh is like, one tiny section of the game. I’ve got rivalries going with other orcs that are so heated I actually curse at them when they show up. Of course, these other captains manage to kill me every so often, which makes me a little more engaged—but none of them have shown the dogged determination that Pugh and his (seemingly) unending quest to kill me, at least once. Maybe I’ll just lay down and die for the guy, give him a victory for a change.

Then again, fuck that guy.

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That sounds like an awesome experience. I haven't played the game yet so I can't tell how much of that experience is what you are bringing into it yourself, but if it actually works as advertised where there are a ton of really crazy scenarios and extensive dialogue branches, then it seems real cool.

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@liquidprince: I've put somewhere like fifteen hours into the game, and I've only heard dialogue repeat once--and it was the same guy in two separate encounters bitching about what I'd done to his face. Everyone else has been pretty creative in their harangues and swears at me.

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It's stories like yours of Pugh that make me really excited to play this game during my winter break.

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I had a tenuous relationship with a war chief's body guard from early on in the game. He killed me at least once or twice, and then I finally got my revenge. As the game progressed, and it was time for me to take out his war chief, the body guard had come back. I quickly took him out, but as I was going for the chief, this body guard kept showing up. All in all, I fought and killed him THREE TIMES in one encounter with his war chief. He wouldn't quit. And somehow, it probably isn't the last I'll see him. This nemesis system is weird and awesome.

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When you say left him for dead you mean you leave him alive with a sliver of health? I haven't had any captains I've killed come back from the dead to try and kill me. That sounds pretty awesome.

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I've discovered that if you pound the shit out of an Orc captain for long enough, they'll literally go to their knees and curse at you and threaten you until you either interrogate them or kill them. Killing them in this case, of course, means cutting their head clean off their shoulders.

I think this keeps them from coming back again.

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@vincentavatar: Every time I just whale on an orc I get nothing but a dead orc. I have, however, managed to pull off an execution on a captain, which stopped him from coming back. Stuck a sword right through his brainbox, I did.

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Man, these stories people keep posting about this game... I really can't get enough of 'em. I don't know why, I don't own the game (and won't until it's released on PS3 in November or a PS4 drops from the sky) and have only seen the GBE Playdate gameplay of it. Still, hearing about people's experiences with other threatening, menacing or - in poor Pugh's case - pitiful orcs as if it's just a dumb bar story is awesome. This was a very entertaining story, thanks for the laughs. Of course, now I want to play this game even more now; I believe I've Catch-22'd myself.

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Welp, I'm now sold on this game

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@slag: YO MONOLITH WHERE'S MY PAYCHECK FOR SELLING THIS GUY ON THE GAME?

@poobumbutt: If you're going to play it, wait until you can get it on a current gen console. The previous gen version won't have the Nemesis system and thus, alas, no opportunity to meet a Pugh of your very own.

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Monolith, if you are out there somewhere, staring into a Palantir perhaps, here is what I want in Shadow of Mordor 2: The ability to rename captains, because I really

really

need to rename an orc Plugshit the Incontinent.

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@nasar7 said:

When you say left him for dead you mean you leave him alive with a sliver of health? I haven't had any captains I've killed come back from the dead to try and kill me. That sounds pretty awesome.

Mate I burned a captains face and killed him and he came back with a burlap sack stitched to his head as a make shift mask and every time he see's me he always says stuff along the tines of 'Don't you recognize these good looks' and 'I will hunt you down until I get my revenge' and he reanimated with the weakness I exploited to kill him removed from his stats D:. He appears so often now that I think he is actually hunting me down and he almost always appears if a fight I'm having lasts too long. I can't kill him and hes now a level 19 :(

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@nasar7 said:

When you say left him for dead you mean you leave him alive with a sliver of health? I haven't had any captains I've killed come back from the dead to try and kill me. That sounds pretty awesome.

They sometimes come back after you killed them. I'm not 100% sure on what triggers that, but it happens.

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@nasar7 said:

When you say left him for dead you mean you leave him alive with a sliver of health? I haven't had any captains I've killed come back from the dead to try and kill me. That sounds pretty awesome.

They sometimes come back after you killed them. I'm not 100% sure on what triggers that, but it happens.

They won't come back if you decapitate them, otherwise they probably will.

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@yesiamaduck: that sounds like great fun, can't wait to have some orc come back from the dead complaining about how I brutalized him in front of his dudes.

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@2headedninja said:

@nasar7 said:

When you say left him for dead you mean you leave him alive with a sliver of health? I haven't had any captains I've killed come back from the dead to try and kill me. That sounds pretty awesome.

They sometimes come back after you killed them. I'm not 100% sure on what triggers that, but it happens.

They won't come back if you decapitate them, otherwise they probably will.

Is that what it is? Yeah, I've been ending most of my encounters with the captains with their heads exploding or a sword in the face. I'll have to see if any of the ones I've stealth killed come back.

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@corevi@nasar7: I think after a certain point if you've killed enough orcs, even a beheaded one will come back but I'm not 100% on that (could just be that my memory of beheading that particular orc was just a fuzzy mishmash of all the other orcs I beheaded).

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I've only just now been introduced to the war chiefs but I've been actively targeting captains as I play. I haven't had that sort of "wow" moment yet with the system. I've been killed a few times but I generally get revenge fairly quickly. None of the slain captains have comeback.

I will say that I really like the idea that when a no-name grunt kills me, he gets some street cred and becomes a captain. My strongest nemesis so far (barring war chiefs) was a no-name that was promoted. If I recall correctly his name was "Brogg the Dark". His armour was cool as hell and he was way into dueling other captains. But alas, he has been put down. I hope he does come back though.

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This was a really well written blog! I was engaged from beginning to end, and you really helped bring life to this 'relationship' of sorts you have with Pugh. Reading that you've essentially let him continue to run away purely so you can then extract more information time and time again is kind of incredible.

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Nicely written! Well done.

BEGIN PETTY CORRECTION

It's Grave Walker, not Grey Walker.

PETTY CORRECTION CONCLUDED.

Look forward to reading more :)

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@nasar7 said:

@yesiamaduck: that sounds like great fun, can't wait to have some orc come back from the dead complaining about how I brutalized him in front of his dudes.

@corevi said:
@2headedninja said:

@nasar7 said:

When you say left him for dead you mean you leave him alive with a sliver of health? I haven't had any captains I've killed come back from the dead to try and kill me. That sounds pretty awesome.

They sometimes come back after you killed them. I'm not 100% sure on what triggers that, but it happens.

They won't come back if you decapitate them, otherwise they probably will.

Is that what it is? Yeah, I've been ending most of my encounters with the captains with their heads exploding or a sword in the face. I'll have to see if any of the ones I've stealth killed come back.

A few Orcs have something like "Relentless: May need an execution to finish him off" or something along those lines in their Strengths. That means if you don't execute them then they have a chance of coming back for revenge Michael Myers style.

Love this game, it's so god damn fun.

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@renegadedoppelganger: Full disclosure: I am ridiculously proud of that name.

@jonny_anonymous: Pugh has the Relentless trait (or he might? I'm not actually sure I've ever bothered to look at his traits because he's such a putz) but I just can't bring myself to kill him. It's way too funny when he shows up.

@nasar7: Yeah if you are doing a lot of decapitating or head exploding, you won't see them come back. I interrogate most of my foes, and they generally come back.

@avantegardener: Whoops, thanks for the correction. Fixed.

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Numbnuts (or whatever) the Coward apologized for killing me once. I'm going to make him a warchief for being polite.

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I haven't formed much of a relationship with any captains yet except this one who came back after I burned him to death who kept leaving me nearly alive and not finishing me off. "Twice I've shamed you" he said. So I ate him with a Caragor. Then I scared him with another Caragor, pinned him to the ground and cut him to death. He's probably still alive. I might want to execute him before he becomes any more powerful, because he's got one of those poisoned spears that I don't like so much.

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@ford_dent: I am the living embodiment of "bummed" right now. Either I'm blind or Monolith did a darn good job keeping that under wraps, because I hadn't heard anything about that (my money's on blind, it took about two seconds of a Google search to fact check that).

Thanks very much for the heads up though; you're right, long wait or not, I don't want to play that game unless it's with the fully-fledged Nemesis system I've heard so much about.

*Sigh* Here's hoping for falling PS4s...

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This is like my relationship with Zog the Hook. That piece of shit just won't die, I've literally killed him about four times. I've only been playing the game for like two hours at this point for the record. Bastard just seems to randomly show up with his fucked up face and weird claw hand thing and say something along the lines that I should have checked if he was dead. The worst part is that he is actually pretty strong in a fight so fighting him is actually a problem sometimes.

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I've stumbled across a really effective way of making sure Orcs don't return from a fight: taking their heads. I think I'm beginning to make a bit of a name for myself by decapitating certain, especially annoying Orcs.

The first time I did it, I thought for sure the game didn't actually care how you beat them and that they'd just reappear with a metal plate or extra bandages. Nope. They're replaced in the menu with their head on a spike until somebody takes their position. So satisfying.