@bladeofcreation: I actually agree with the op, this stuff is always really cringy and off putting. I was just saying I think the language used seemed hyberbolic, which could stifle the conversation by putting such a negative label on something many people love.
@seeric: I'd only call it sexist if it was making a statement about the gender at large, And you're right that these can fit that criteria but they don't have to and don't always. I think giving the writers/creators the benefit of the doubt that it's just lazy writing/storytelling is preferable to labelling it sexist, saving such for the really egregous examples.
Also I'm not a fan of how you characterize the people who are fans of this stuff. "so desperately desire in real life." You don't know them. Maybe save the judgment?
@seeric: I totally agree that things like this should be discussed. I have no problems with critisms of things, I just can't stand the labelling of EVERYTHING as sexist. Even if the creators intention is to pander to an audience, that's a choice the creator is well within their rights to make. I feel like just labelling things sexist really shuts down the conversation about how something that is pandering can still have good characterization, it let's the detracters feel superior and the creators or fans write it off without acknowledging the critism that could improve the material.
Just because you don't like it doesn't make it sexist. People throwing it around are deluding the english language. Real people can wear what they want, and fictional people can wear what the creator wants them to wear. Telling people you don't know how women should and shouldn't be portrayed is WAY more sexist then the alternative.
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