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Star Wars: The Old Republic

Game » consists of 5 releases. First released on Dec 20, 2011

Star Wars: The Old Republic is a massively-multiplayer role-playing game set 300 years after the events of BioWare's Knights of the Old Republic series, but still approximately 3,600 years before the events of the films.

Star Wars: The Old Republic: How I Bought a Nightmare

Posted by Godzilla_Sushi (1025 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago

I swear, I'm warning anyone who sees this, you should definitely consider reading the SWTOR Technical Support forums before considering your subscription. I purchased the game at the end of December and enjoyed it quite a bit. I played for about a month before my little nightmare began.

Shortly before my subscription was official, and money taken from my account, I had been running the game pretty well on my computer. The same computer that runs Bioshock 2, Bad Company 2, and many others was running SWTOR perfectly without issues.

The game was patched before my account had been charged. One night, out of nowhere, the game performance and frame rate dropped down to 4-5 fps. This was post-patch, almost 24 hours after, when I started seeing this. I waited about an hour to try again, and nothing had changed. For the next few days I checked back every day, waiting to see if there were any updates.

I eventually started posting in the Technical Support forums, trying to get answers and ask others if they had discovered workarounds. Multiple threads started popping up about poor frames per second, or random intervals of lag. These numbers grew, and while the posting increased, there was no comment from any developer or support folks. Bioware support only mentioned that 5% of users encountered such problems and it was a user issue.

I had been running the game perfectly fine on my PC for weeks so I was a little irritated to hear that comment. Many of the users were and the numbers have grown since. I checked back every day for almost two weeks now and no developer has acknowledged either in the forums or on their blog that these issues even exist, meanwhile individuals are becoming more vocal.

My support tickets are the cream of the crop when it comes to outsourced and useless support. While noting I had ran the game perfectly for weeks before the issue came up, I submitted my diagnostic documentation per their request. My ticket sat for almost four days before I received a response.

The advice from the technical guru:

"Update your ATI Driver." -TICKET CLOSED-

I was sort of amazed. Not only had my drivers been updated, but the game would run one moment and not the next? Let alone the time it took for a reply. The game I had bought was on a 6 month subscription that I purchased based on my experience with new MMO's. They typically have issues that are given workarounds or developers will inform the community of fixes.

Buyer beware on this game. While you may have it working one minute, if it stops working for whatever reason, you'll not get the support. This blog is my way of informing you of the $140.00 nightmare. As of this evening, the game still does not run properly at a speedy 10 fps max, and I still have not seen anything solid from either a developer or tech support. I highly recommend all Giantbomb users read that Technical Support forum before buying the game for your PC. While it might work fine now, you certainly don't want to pay for it down the road the way I have.

I'm currently fighting to get my refund on the subscription.

#1 Posted by Godzilla_Sushi (1025 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago

I swear, I'm warning anyone who sees this, you should definitely consider reading the SWTOR Technical Support forums before considering your subscription. I purchased the game at the end of December and enjoyed it quite a bit. I played for about a month before my little nightmare began.

Shortly before my subscription was official, and money taken from my account, I had been running the game pretty well on my computer. The same computer that runs Bioshock 2, Bad Company 2, and many others was running SWTOR perfectly without issues.

The game was patched before my account had been charged. One night, out of nowhere, the game performance and frame rate dropped down to 4-5 fps. This was post-patch, almost 24 hours after, when I started seeing this. I waited about an hour to try again, and nothing had changed. For the next few days I checked back every day, waiting to see if there were any updates.

I eventually started posting in the Technical Support forums, trying to get answers and ask others if they had discovered workarounds. Multiple threads started popping up about poor frames per second, or random intervals of lag. These numbers grew, and while the posting increased, there was no comment from any developer or support folks. Bioware support only mentioned that 5% of users encountered such problems and it was a user issue.

I had been running the game perfectly fine on my PC for weeks so I was a little irritated to hear that comment. Many of the users were and the numbers have grown since. I checked back every day for almost two weeks now and no developer has acknowledged either in the forums or on their blog that these issues even exist, meanwhile individuals are becoming more vocal.

My support tickets are the cream of the crop when it comes to outsourced and useless support. While noting I had ran the game perfectly for weeks before the issue came up, I submitted my diagnostic documentation per their request. My ticket sat for almost four days before I received a response.

The advice from the technical guru:

"Update your ATI Driver." -TICKET CLOSED-

I was sort of amazed. Not only had my drivers been updated, but the game would run one moment and not the next? Let alone the time it took for a reply. The game I had bought was on a 6 month subscription that I purchased based on my experience with new MMO's. They typically have issues that are given workarounds or developers will inform the community of fixes.

Buyer beware on this game. While you may have it working one minute, if it stops working for whatever reason, you'll not get the support. This blog is my way of informing you of the $140.00 nightmare. As of this evening, the game still does not run properly at a speedy 10 fps max, and I still have not seen anything solid from either a developer or tech support. I highly recommend all Giantbomb users read that Technical Support forum before buying the game for your PC. While it might work fine now, you certainly don't want to pay for it down the road the way I have.

I'm currently fighting to get my refund on the subscription.

#2 Posted by mosdl (3004 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago

Opposite for me - performance has been increasing with each patch.

Also, buyer beware applies to all PC games - Skyrim crashes my computer (not windows) if it doesn't run as admin, 99% don't have that issue.

#3 Posted by MasturbatingestBear (1137 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago

Man, that sounds like a nightmare.

#4 Posted by jakob187 (20675 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago

I turn the shadows off and crank the anti-aliasing all the way up, and I have no problems running this thing at 60fps or higher. I've also seen improvements with every patch.

Then again, I'm also running the latest ATI drivers...which should be Catalyst 12.1. Are you on Catalyst 12.1? If not, you should update your ATI drivers.

#5 Edited by Rookwood (34 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago

I assume you've basically turned everything off in the graphics to see how that affects it, if not you should definitely swallow your pride and do that. :)

Next, have you tried reinstalling the game? You should update your drivers but I agree with you, that's not likely to help given you were running it fine to begin with. Sounds more like something might have become corrupted.

Also are you having problems with any other games?

#6 Posted by connerthekewlkid (1039 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago

another old republic hate forum what a surprise

#7 Posted by SeriouslyNow (8532 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago
@connerthekewlkid said:

another old republic hate forum what a surprise

Hate?  There's no hate going on. 
#8 Posted by steveurkel (89 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago

game sucks i'm not surprised you got fucked
 
the game literally is the worst MMO i've ever played
 
resubscribed to everquest and considering playing guild wars because I can't stomach another minute of the old republic and when people at work go on and on about how good of a game it is I just tell them to shut the fuck up I don't care
 
It is like when people talk about their kids, I don't fucking care about your kids they are your kids not mine don't talk to me about that shit. Star wars is worse than people that talk about their kids.
 
 
The game runs at like 110 FPS on ultra and I have had no performance issues, it is just a boring piece of shit.

#9 Edited by connerthekewlkid (1039 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago

@steveurkel said: @SeriouslyNow: i rest my case

game sucks i'm not surprised you got fucked the game literally is the worst MMO i've ever played resubscribed to everquest and considering playing guild wars because I can't stomach another minute of the old republic and when people at work go on and on about how good of a game it is I just tell them to shut the fuck up I don't care It is like when people talk about their kids, I don't fucking care about your kids they are your kids not mine don't talk to me about that shit. Star wars is worse than people that talk about their kids. The game runs at like 110 FPS on ultra and I have had no performance issues, it is just a boring piece of s

#10 Posted by SeriouslyNow (8532 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago
@connerthekewlkid said:

@steveurkel said: @SeriouslyNow: i rest my case

game sucks i'm not surprised you got fucked the game literally is the worst MMO i've ever played resubscribed to everquest and considering playing guild wars because I can't stomach another minute of the old republic and when people at work go on and on about how good of a game it is I just tell them to shut the fuck up I don't care It is like when people talk about their kids, I don't fucking care about your kids they are your kids not mine don't talk to me about that shit. Star wars is worse than people that talk about their kids. The game runs at like 110 FPS on ultra and I have had no performance issues, it is just a boring piece of s

That's one post and it was posted after you posted.  Your case is pretty weak.
#11 Posted by connerthekewlkid (1039 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago

@SeriouslyNow: ok i know thats a pretty harsh statement but a thought we were over the whole "this game is terrible and you shouldn't buy" it phase

#12 Posted by SeriouslyNow (8532 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago
@connerthekewlkid said:

@SeriouslyNow: ok i know thats a pretty harsh statement but a thought we were over the whole "this game is terrible and you shouldn't buy" it phase

A person is only relating their experience.  He's not saying don't buy it, he's telling us what happened to him.
#13 Posted by connerthekewlkid (1039 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago

@SeriouslyNow: fine sure im just gonna leave :{

#14 Posted by BrockNRolla (1698 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago

Too bad about your technical problems. If it's any consolation, the game quickly wears thin. I put two months in and have since cancelled. Good luck getting that refund. I hope you succeed.

#15 Posted by Chris2KLee (2253 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago

I'm having trouble also, but mine is patch related. Customer service has had little advice for me except "go buy a new hardrive or RAM maybe?". The game is fun, but it's not worth it to buy new parts for it, especially since it's the only game on my comp giving me headaches. Good luck with your refund, checking the official SWTOR forums, you're not alone.

#16 Posted by ElBarto (272 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago

Yeah my PC ran Crysis and other games since then on high settings on 60 fps but SWTOR runs like crap on my computer. Load times are terrible, I usually have the black screen for a little while before the graphics start coming in, some planets are just unplayable, I have the game on low, shadows off, If I try to quit to desktop it can take up to 15 minutes before it actually exits, not sure what the deal is.

#17 Posted by Kidavenger (2241 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago

Have you tried playing any of those other games since your problems with TOR started? It's possible that something in your computer has actually broken.

I've had a fan in my video card die when I was starting a new game and I figured it was a problem with the game for the longest time until I tried playing another game that stressed the video card.

#18 Posted by Brodehouse (7121 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago

SWTOR has been the one game that I haven't had issues with on my computer.  Skyrim is dropping frames weirdly (maybe a vsync thing), AC: Revelations has a random crash every 2-3 hours, and trying to get the DLC content working on DA:Origins Ultimate Edition has been a complete nightmare.  But SWTOR has run super smooth.

#19 Edited by connerthekewlkid (1039 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago

@Kidavenger: that might actually be the problem it happened to me once

#20 Posted by Godzilla_Sushi (1025 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago

@connerthekewlkid said:

another old republic hate forum what a surprise

Ah man, you got me. All that typing for nothing! You are so smart!

#21 Posted by Godzilla_Sushi (1025 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago

@jakob187 said:

I turn the shadows off and crank the anti-aliasing all the way up, and I have no problems running this thing at 60fps or higher. I've also seen improvements with every patch.

Then again, I'm also running the latest ATI drivers...which should be Catalyst 12.1. Are you on Catalyst 12.1? If not, you should update your ATI drivers.

Thanks for the input. I did in fact have my drivers up to 12.1 for my ATI card. Thanks for the advice though. Never know what might work! :)

#22 Posted by RobertOrri (964 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago

Wow, it sure must suck to have splurged on a 6-month subscription and then suddenly run into a brick wall of problems.

I didn't run into a lot of technical issues, my problems were more related to in-game glitches, broken quests and UI bugs (some which had persisted since beta). They didn't seem very keen on fixing them, and that plus the whole Ilum debacle left me with little interest in paying for another month.

The only real perfornace issue I experienced was when on board the Imperial Agent ship - the fans on my graphics card would kick into overdrive each and every time. Apparently a known bug, according to to the forums.

I do feel your pain, however. Have you tried running many other games to see if performance is affected there as well?

#23 Posted by Grimluck343 (1073 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago

Did they ever fix the texture issue? Or I guess more precisely add the high quality textures back?

#24 Posted by connerthekewlkid (1039 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago

@Godzilla_Sushi: i know i think im gonna go apply to yale now.

#25 Posted by White_Silhouette (443 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago

That sucks. Hopefully you get it resolved sooner than later.

I was having a huge issues with it having odd polygons stretching and crashing to desktop with my comp saying the video card drivers stopped responding. After doing some digging I found that the issue is between my cpu and video card losing sync (or some crap like that). The way that I was able to stop it was by disabling virtual machine ability in my bios. Haven't had any issues really since then.

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