Fightpad or Fightstick

#1 Posted by Iceman2913 (508 posts) -

Hey huys I been thinking about upgrading from a regular controller and here is what I am lookin at 
fightpad
or  
save up for 
fight stick 
note if I go with the fight stick I won't have it till the end of summer

#2 Posted by REDRUN (1410 posts) -
#3 Posted by Iceman2913 (508 posts) -

how@REDRUN: 
umm how ?

#4 Posted by JJOR64 (18783 posts) -
@Iceman2913:   First of all, who is your main?  If it's a shoto, you can play it on the pad and do fairly well.  If you play a charge character, you may have some difficulties.  I play Honda and there is no way you can play him well on a stick.
 
In the end, it's all about preference.
#5 Posted by FluxWaveZ (19155 posts) -

It's all personal preference.  But I'll point some stuff out:

Get a Fightstick if:

  1. You intend on getting serious/competitive into a fighting game.
  2. You've had lost of prior arcade experience with sticks.
  3. You intend on using it for multiple games and not just one.
  4. Cash is not a problem for you.
 

Get a Fightpad if:

  1. You'll be less serious into the game.
  2. You prefer the feel of controllers to arcade sticks.
  3. You intend on using it for multiple games.
 
Really, there's no way to determine which one you should really get.  If you're unsure, it probably means that you should go with the Fightpad.
#6 Posted by Skytylz (4015 posts) -

This one is a fight stick and it's only $100.

#7 Posted by Iceman2913 (508 posts) -

flux@JJOR64: 
ryu, abel, ken, and c.viper I switch between these a a lot

#8 Posted by Iceman2913 (508 posts) -
@Skytylz: 
it is actually 50 but if I buy a fight stick I want the full deal which is the tournament edition
#9 Posted by JJOR64 (18783 posts) -
@Skytylz said:
" This one is a fight stick and it's only $100. "
The TE stick is only $100?  Damn, that's a good fucking buy.
#10 Posted by Skytylz (4015 posts) -
@Iceman2913: I meant to link you to the tournament and that one is probably as good as the $140 one you had linked.
#11 Posted by Iceman2913 (508 posts) -
@FluxWaveZ: 
money is not a problem I have a job :), but I am above average with the regular controller and I plan to also get blazeblue 2 and marvel vs capcom 2.
#12 Posted by Skytylz (4015 posts) -
@JJOR64 said:
" @Skytylz said:
" This one is a fight stick and it's only $100. "
The TE stick is only $100?  Damn, that's a good fucking buy. "
Yah, I'm probably going to get one soon!
#13 Posted by Iceman2913 (508 posts) -
@Skytylz: 
o my bad you are right I just wen with that one because it was the newest one
#14 Posted by REDRUN (1410 posts) -
@Iceman2913:  Try play with the game pad you own first. If you ever played with an arcade stick then you could make that comparison yourself. I wouldn't recommend buying a $150 stick, even though Madcatz makes an entry level design at $50-$70.
 Personally, I own a couple arcade sticks because its pretty much my preference. If you seen me play with a gamepad, you'll see why the d-pad tends to break and the occasions button slips while playing. If you plan on putting in many hours of committed gameplay, the arcade stick will be a good choice to buy. Try to get one with authentic arcade parts and good quality, the cheap ones tend to break down eventually and parts have to be replaced. Just do you research, plus you could go to the Street Fighter 4 forums on Giant Bomb. There are pretty much multiple threads you could look through about arcade sticks.
 
 
(edit: check each link)
#15 Posted by JJOR64 (18783 posts) -
@Skytylz said:
" @JJOR64 said:
" @Skytylz said:
" This one is a fight stick and it's only $100. "
The TE stick is only $100?  Damn, that's a good fucking buy. "
Yah, I'm probably going to get one soon! "
DO IT!
 
@Iceman2913: That's the stick to get if you are going to get one.
#16 Posted by Iceman2913 (508 posts) -

lol don't flame me for this but after reading reviews and blogs from you guys  Static Falconar made me want the Hori Pro he used  
  what he uses

#17 Posted by FluxWaveZ (19155 posts) -
@Iceman2913: It's your decision, I'm not sure why we'd flame you for that.  But that's a good stick, so go for it.
#18 Posted by REDRUN (1410 posts) -
@Iceman2913 said:
" lol don't flame me for this but after reading reviews and blogs from you guys  Static Falconar made me want the Hori Pro he used  
  what he uses "
SHUN THE NON-BELIEVER.... SHUN
#19 Posted by Iceman2913 (508 posts) -
@FluxWaveZ: 
okay thanks, I am going with the hori guys and  if you have a ps3 I will play you guys later down the road
#20 Posted by demontium (4707 posts) -

Fightstick is much better IMO.

#21 Posted by Dan_CiTi (2928 posts) -

Stick all the way buddy. 

#22 Edited by Stang (4726 posts) -

Real men use the 360 d pad like me.
 
edit
 
Just ordered at TE from Amazon. Hopefully I learn how to do srk's quickly.

#23 Posted by Heartbreak (288 posts) -

i wonder if there would ever be a device that had a d-pad + arcade style buttons. 
I hold the pad area, and the buttons rest on my lap. 
 
What an ugly idea.

#24 Posted by lordofultima (6186 posts) -
@Stang said:
" Real men use the 360 d pad like me.  edit  Just ordered at TE from Amazon. Hopefully I learn how to do srk's quickly. "
Such a scrub, man.
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#25 Posted by Napalm (9020 posts) -
@FluxWaveZ said:
" @Iceman2913: It's your decision, I'm not sure why we'd flame you for that.  But that's a good stick, so go for it. "
It uses Sanwa parts just like the TE from MadCatz, so beyond the frame and how easy it is to unscrew things, they aren't that different.
#26 Posted by Stang (4726 posts) -
@lordofultima: Nobody is arguing the fact that I am a scrub, cause I am! But I did order a new TE (original), I think it is about time to retire my battle scarred SE. I just hope it can sit comfortably on my lap, that thing looks ginormous.
 
It has done me well, rest in peace.
 
PS
 
I still can't fucking do cr. jab x2 short tatsu. I can do cr. strong x2 short tatsu, single cr. jab tatsu, cr. short cr. jab cr. strong short tatsu, BUT NOT FUCKING CR. JAB CR. JAB SHORT TATSU. I honestly think it is the way I am trying to do the tatsu. 
 
And cr. short st. jab st. jab sweep is beautiful. My new favorite combo.
#27 Posted by Gambit (727 posts) -

Its all comes down to preference. I have been using a fightstick for a couple months and, I hate the fucking thing. When I have the money I am going back to using a fightpad. I just feel alot more comfortable using a pad then a stick.

#28 Posted by lordofultima (6186 posts) -
@Stang: the window is not huge like everyone elses jabs. Sure the link is easier but it's easy to speed it up without realizing it, since jabs cancel into one another as well.
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#29 Posted by Stang (4726 posts) -
@Gambit: I will sell you my fightpad real cheap if you want it. Either that or I will do another "beat me to x" when Super is out.
 
@lordofultima: Is cr. jab x2 tatsu even worth it? I can do cr. jab cr. strong xx short tatsu all day long....is there any reason to struggle with the jab jab combo when I find the jab strong tatsu easy? As far as hit confirming is concerned they both accomplish the same task. Am I missing something?
#30 Posted by Gambit (727 posts) -
@Stang:  not sure how I would pay you for it? I don't use paypal had a bad experience with them on ebay and now they can burn in hell.
#31 Posted by lordofultima (6186 posts) -
@Stang said:
" @Gambit: I will sell you my fightpad real cheap if you want it. Either that or I will do another "beat me to x" when Super is out.
 
@lordofultima: Is cr. jab x2 tatsu even worth it? I can do cr. jab cr. strong xx short tatsu all day long....is there any reason to struggle with the jab jab combo when I find the jab strong tatsu easy? As far as hit confirming is concerned they both accomplish the same task. Am I missing something? "
jab jab jab vs. jab jab strong. Well, jab link is just easier. Maybe you don't realize it at this juncture but, you'll find some time later that where you drop the strong link you won't drop the jab, and even if you drop/mess up the jab link and they block the tail end of it, that means the tatsu won't come out and you're relatively safe. cr.strong also pushes the opponent very far away and off of a cross-up or something, this can be the difference between the tatsu hitting and the tatsu whiffing. Wonky hitboxes like Blanka as well, jab jab strong to tatsu doesn't hit him for some reason, jab jab jab tatsu does.
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#32 Posted by Stang (4726 posts) -
@Gambit: You don't use paypal? Do we have to go old school and give you my address? If the beat me in Super is a failure, I was thinking about just giving it to you, but you would have to handle shipping. We can talk about it on Live.
 
@lordofultima: Great info, thank you! Sorry for bugging you with scrub level stuff here, I just really find Akuma interesting now for some reason. Ima work on the jab x2 link, I know for a fact I am linking them, mainly because I can do the link with Ryu pretty consistently. I promise my next question will be noob level compared to the Gambit level of the last one. 
 
:)
#33 Posted by lordofultima (6186 posts) -
@Stang: gambit-level. burn! 
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#34 Posted by Scooper (7882 posts) -

Get whatever you like. Unless you're going to use Blanka, Honda or any of those kind of characters you can use a pad pretty well.

#35 Posted by zolloz89 (247 posts) -

definitely a stick.

#36 Posted by Pathogenocide (76 posts) -

This might sound stupid but how is the game with the regular controller?

#37 Posted by m1k3 (1322 posts) -

Stick is a must.

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#38 Posted by HDTran (14 posts) -
@Stang said:

" @Gambit: I will sell you my fightpad real cheap if you want it. Either that or I will do another "beat me to x" when Super is out.
 
@lordofultima: Is cr. jab x2 tatsu even worth it? I can do cr. jab cr. strong xx short tatsu all day long....is there any reason to struggle with the jab jab combo when I find the jab strong tatsu easy? As far as hit confirming is concerned they both accomplish the same task. Am I missing something? "

The problem is that you're canceling your jabs into each other.
 
cr.LP xx cr.LP xx Tatsu will not work, once you cancel an cr.LP into another cr.LP, any canceled cr. LP's will not be able to cancel into a special.
 cr.LP > cr.LP xx Tatsu will work, you have to insert a delay in-between the two cr.LP's so you aren't canceling them.
#39 Edited by tunaburn (1879 posts) -

all comes down to your money. how much do you want to spend. me personally. i use the xbox controller. i just use the analog stick instead of the dpad. and i won a local gamestop tournament on SFIV. im not saying im good. cuz i suck and thats why i havent played in forever. but i owned a fightpad and fightstick and returned them both after figuring out that for me personally, the analog stick on the original xbox controller worked great. id recommend trying that before spending the cash. and yes, ill be getting SSFIV. looks a lot better with the balanced characters. the game is a blast to play. im just not really into competitive playing. i got to much going on in life to get that into it. more into playing for fun, but on an almost daily basis.

#40 Posted by tunaburn (1879 posts) -
@Pathogenocide: read my above answer
#41 Posted by Stang (4726 posts) -
@HDTran: It was a timing issue, nothing more. Like I said, I could do it with Ryu fine, Akuma has different timing. I had about 5 hours of play time with Akuma at that time, compared to about 800 hours with Ken. It is extremely hard for me to change my timing if I try to use anybody else. For instance I can fadc ultra with my toes, but if I move from Ken to Ryu there is a chance I will botch the cancel simply because I have to cancel after 1 hit instead of 2. Same goes with Kens cr. jab - cr. strong or cr. jab - cr. fierce one frame link. Hit that shit all day with Ken, but not with Ryu.
 
Part of being a Ken scrub I guess. Thanks though.
#42 Posted by HDTran (14 posts) -
@Stang said:

" @HDTran: It was a timing issue, nothing more. Like I said, I could do it with Ryu fine, Akuma has different timing. I had about 5 hours of play time with Akuma at that time, compared to about 800 hours with Ken. It is extremely hard for me to change my timing if I try to use anybody else. For instance I can fadc ultra with my toes, but if I move from Ken to Ryu there is a chance I will botch the cancel simply because I have to cancel after 1 hit instead of 2. Same goes with Kens cr. jab - cr. strong or cr. jab - cr. fierce one frame link. Hit that shit all day with Ken, but not with Ryu. Part of being a Ken scrub I guess. Thanks though. "

Those actual links have to be done in the first possible frame though. cr. LP > cr. MP and cr.LP > cr.HP can't be canceled into one another. Whereas cr.LP's and cr.LK's can be chained together. It is a timing thing, but it works differently than you think.
 
So you can do cr.LP xx cr.LP xx cr.LP, but those xx cr.LP's lose the ability to be special canceled since you canceled the previous into into this newly canceled cr.LP. 

From SRK:

Rapid Fire Attacks/Chains

Rapid Fire Attacks are attacks cancel repeatedly into each other. rapid fire Chains are possible from multiple rapid fire attacks. For example, c.LP xx c.LP xx c.LP is a common 3 hit rapid fire chain combo with Ryu, as well as any cahracter whose c.LP is a rapid fire attack.

It is important to note, that rapid fire chained attacks in Street Fighter 4 LOSE the ability be special or super cancelled. Hence, with Balrog, c.LP xx c.LP xx Headbutt is impossible, as the 2nd c.LP was rapid fire cancelled and therefore not special cancellable. However, c.LP, c.LP xx Headbutt, works everytime if Balrog WAITS for the initial c.LP to finish rather than cancelling it.

 
http://www.shoryuken.com/wiki/index.php/Street_Fighter_IV
#43 Posted by Aishan (1003 posts) -

I've been looking around at the various sticks and pads around, what's the consensus here about the Hori EX2? Price makes it attractive as an 'entry level' stick, I don't really want to fork out for a TE (£127), or the £66 MadCatz "Arcade" one on a hunch.

#44 Posted by Stang (4726 posts) -
@HDTran: Nah, I understand exactly how it works. My problem simply put is that I have spent too much time with a single character. Ken's frame data is different from Ryu's, Akuma's, Sagat's etc. Ryu's cr. jab - cr. fierce is fucking easy compared to the same link with Ken, but I can only do it reliabely with Ken because he is the only person I use.
 
I understand fully that chaining instead of linking causes a move to lose its ability to cancel into a special. For me, it is a matter of feel. Feel is why I hardly ever miss my links with Ken but I do with anybody else. Cr. short - cr. jab - st. jab - cr. forward xx ex tatsu is my main Ken combo, in most situations when my opponent is standing I use it.. You would think I could do the equivalent combo with Ryu or Akuma consistently also, right? Nope.
#45 Edited by HDTran (14 posts) -
@Stang said:

" @HDTran: Nah, I understand exactly how it works. My problem simply put is that I have spent too much time with a single character. Ken's frame data is different from Ryu's, Akuma's, Sagat's etc. Ryu's cr. jab - cr. fierce is fucking easy compared to the same link with Ken, but I can only do it reliabely with Ken because he is the only person I use.  I understand fully that chaining instead of linking causes a move to lose its ability to cancel into a special. For me, it is a matter of feel. Feel is why I hardly ever miss my links with Ken but I do with anybody else. Cr. short - cr. jab - st. jab - cr. forward xx ex tatsu is my main Ken combo, in most situations when my opponent is standing I use it.. You would think I could do the equivalent combo with Ryu or Akuma consistently also, right? Nope. "

Hm.. I see, that's pretty interesting--I get what you're saying. Just a 1-frame link familiarity. Well at least with Ryu, we all know his c.LP > c.HP is pretty easy because it is potentially hitting in a bigger 1-2 frame window than Ken's. At least Ken gets a break when doing a s.LP combo like the one you said (c.LK > c. LP > s.LP > c.MK xx EX Tatsu) versus something like Ryu's f+HP > c.LP > c.HP > Tatsu.

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