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Posted by Dberg

Eh, Brad, you lose bullets each time you reload with a clip that's not empty.

Posted by Ronald

I wonder, if Brad had attacked in the hack first thing, if he could have won the hack. As boosting his shield allowed the enemy to drain his attack to zero and boost its own to 200. Also, any game that has characters do the Game Room is automatically awesome.

Posted by The_Hiro_Abides

Well I liked the video. It's refreshing to see a video that shows how incomprehensible a game can really be, at first.

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@Brad

Brad at this point you are poring water on a grease fire. If you can actually appease the internet... well im pretty sure there is a noble peace prize or something in it for you. =)

Posted by huser
@Brad: I think most here fully appreciate your collective efforts. The squeaky wheel bias and all that regarding the masses. It does give me pangs at times for games I DO know how to play and see someone nominally trying to "sell" an experience that I enjoyed but failing because of lack of some basic knowledge. 
 
The Etrian Odyssey III QL a while ago with Matt and Ryan was one, but that seemed almost a bit. Or maybe a certain Bombcaster's delayed usage of a chainsword in the Space Marine Kill Team QL...
 
But seriously great work!
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Posted by Khann

@Brad said:

@Helios1337 said:

@Brad said:

@Johntathan: We prepare as much as we can given our limited time and resources. Your other option is no Quick Look at all. Which would you prefer?

Wow, so paying members: don't like it? Fuck off!

Maybe I phrased that poorly, but the point is, if we were expected to play through, or even nearly through, every game we do a QL with, we'd only have time to do a small fraction of the ones we're able to produce as it is.

Nobody is asking you to play through the entire game, just the tutorials.

In this QL for example, you say that the tutorials are useless, and 10 seconds later you learn exactly what you were trying to from said tutorials.

Posted by wafflez

So we're going to have a part two to this right? Where dave knows how to play

Posted by The_Nubster
@Superfriend said:
I´m all for amusing banter, but this whole "dude, what is going... I don´t even.. do you know-" Is making the whole thing pretty hard to watch. These things are supposed to be without script and all, but please- 3 people just throwing incomplete sentences at each other really sucks. Think about what you´re gonna say and then say it.  And yeah, playing and talking is hard blah blah. I know. But it shouldn´t take a full minute for anyone to complete a short sentence in conversation. That is just anoying.
That happens only once, and it's when Brad is scrolling through insane-looking weapons and equipment.
Posted by prestonhedges
@Dberg said:

Eh, Brad, you lose bullets each time you reload with a clip that's not empty.

Holy shit! Those bastards! They really did it. How many games do that? Goddamn, these guys deserve some money.
Posted by MrTeeb

I wish I had 20,000 brosephs...

Posted by louiedog
@gladspooky said:
@Dberg said:

Eh, Brad, you lose bullets each time you reload with a clip that's not empty.

Holy shit! Those bastards! They really did it. How many games do that? Goddamn, these guys deserve some money.
Realistic Magazine Management 
 
It's a concept on Giant Bomb which is a website.
Posted by prestonhedges
@louiedog said:
@gladspooky said:
@Dberg said:

Eh, Brad, you lose bullets each time you reload with a clip that's not empty.

Holy shit! Those bastards! They really did it. How many games do that? Goddamn, these guys deserve some money.
Realistic Magazine Management  It's a concept on Giant Bomb which is a website.
but what's this website about?
Posted by McGhee

Why does he keep saying stuff like "this game almost has it"? It looks like they are having a good time and it looks awesome to me.

Edited by fox01313

Played some of this & enjoying it somewhat though liking the free soundtrack on the website better. Interesting that you get a power to convert ammo boxes/guns found to health but the game is definitely crazy on some of the presentation on the UI/text, love the look of the game environment. 
 
Tip for new players, try the white/black assault rifle as has a great red dot sight on it & works great on this level. Also go into settings & turn down/off the reinforcements that show up.
 
Believe that one of the powers on the skills is one to stop bleeding. This game would be a hell of a lot better if the hacking was turned based.

Posted by nly

great QL, great game. f the haters Brad.

Edited by SuperfluousMoniker

Woah, this looks like a PC-ass PC game. I'm into that.

Posted by bybeach

To Brad and co. I really appreciatte the Ql's, especially lately the Deus Ex and this one.. and this one also has my interest. What I would say, besides maybe a small amount of prep, is flatout in the beginning of the QL state you are cold. Make it clear. Just head it all off at the pass. In that context, I would watch a cold effort well over no QL at all. I do not know ( your time I supposse is tight) if it works for you guys, but I would try to do an hour of the game, so as to describe premise and mechanics. And an hour would be the upper stated limit.

Edited by Max_Hydrogen

@Brad said:

@Helios1337 said:

@Brad said:

@Johntathan: We prepare as much as we can given our limited time and resources. Your other option is no Quick Look at all. Which would you prefer?

Wow, so paying members: don't like it? Fuck off!

Maybe I phrased that poorly, but the point is [...]

Nah, everything reads harsh when written; that's the drawback of text messaging...

Edited by Chef033

Very cool game. I've been playing for a while now and really enjoyed it so far despite the overall bugginess. Also the difference in abilities between starting the game and leveling up to 40 or 60 or 80 is amazing - I started the game out playing a stealthy sniper character and now I run around making 50 foot leaps and summoning dozens of clones as i fire my minigun into a gunship serious sam-style. I can only hope for some expansion-style dlc later on down the line that'll challenge high-level characters more but for now I'm having a blast.
 
That said I think the biggest drawback - and biggest turn-off to new players - is that the tutorial is godawful and does not help you learn anything. It took a buttload of trial and error and help from my friends to figure out how shit works in this game.

Posted by FunExplosions
@outerabiz said:
why is he holding the katana backwards?
Because indie game.
Posted by ArbitraryWater

To be fair, from the little I've messed with this game so far (doesn't run especially well on my computer and such) there's clearly a lot going on but the game does an absolutely terrible job explaining pretty much all of its mechanics. While I cannot claim to have fumbled as much as the quick look crew did, their behavior is fairly reflective of what one could expect going into this game cold.

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Posted by FoolishChaos

I would be fine if quicklooks were done cold turkey, but please just play the game like you would play the game, and don't play it like you are being filmed. If you don't know the controls, just look them up. If you don't know what the syringe does, read the description. This is how someone 30 min into the game would play the game, you are fairly representing the game.

Edited by falling_fast

I shudder to think what would happen if they tried to quick look a Paradox Interactive strategy game.

Posted by Majkiboy

I love this game, I hope brad can love it as well! The trick though is to WANT to learn the game. OK, the game has a steep learning curve, but it isn't that hard to understand. What about trying to right click with the syringe? (that is how you heal yourself) Anyway, fun quick look and I hope to see a part 2! :)

Edited by Jumanji
@Brackynews said:

I come to all QLs thinking that they are created with an attitude of "hey guys come check out this game I just got". Maybe it turns out not to be as cool a game, but that's the point, to check it out. I'm about 15 minutes into this QL and I think it's fine so far. It's not one I'm going to save and rewatch.

As far as the need for "expertise" showing off a game to its full potential, well we all see the kinds of comments posted on QLEXs. But the Darwinia+ QLEX is a perfect example of why they're useful content. Some games are impenetrable in the first 20 minutes to a new player. This also looks like one of those games, but there's no finger-snap to manifest a company rep, whether they're from the Bay area, Boston, or France.

I initially came to Giant Bomb because I was having trouble figuring out what Borderlands was all about, and someone on a forum linked to a "Quick Look" of the game. I was impressed: I found that Jeff acted as an interpreter for the game, walking me through the interface, mechanics, and reward systems without coming across like a shill or a knob. I came away knowing a lot more about Borderlands, without feeling like someone was trying to sell me something. I vicariously experienced the game such that I could  imagine how much fun I'd have playing it. I could  safely check the "Borderlands" box off in my head and feel connected to the culture without having blown $60 on a game that, having watched the Quick Look,  I realized I probably wouldn't like.
 
I don't feel like I know a whole lot more about E.Y.E after watching this. I know it's a shooter with persistence, a cyberpunk motif, a daunting interface, good gunplay, and possible co-op, all of which I had learned from forums before I saw the Quick Look.  I don't feel like I've vicariously experienced the game, so as a Quick Look, imo,  this is a bust.
Edited by Antihippy
@Jumanji: Jeff had to play borderlands for review.
 
Brad probably isn't going to play this again.
 
Also as someone who was following this rather loosely I can say that I've learned quite a bit about what EYE is. Just don't know if I want this with Deus Ex so close.
Edited by Max_Hydrogen

The earliest green-tinted movie that I can remember is Seven. You know whjy they use green for night vision goggles? Because the human eye can distinguish more shades of green than any other color (just thought I'd throw that in there.)

Man this games looks BAD. Yes, I know it's an indie (whatever that means...) game so I shouldn't be so critical but a small budget doesn't automatically translate into jank.

Does Dave think this game looks good for a PC game? Because I honestly didn't think it looked good at all, yes it plagiarizes Blade Runner but I think that went out of style like in the 90's or something.

Well, at least it's cool that they are QL-ing these kinds of games because we get to see more obscure titles that a lot of people might not know of.

Posted by aceofspudz

@Jumanji said:

I found that Jeff acted as an interpreter for the game, walking me through the interface, mechanics, and reward systems without coming across like a shill or a knob. I came away knowing a lot more about Borderlands, without feeling like someone was trying to sell me something

As to what the person running the quick look 'owes' the audience, I expect them to have a handle on the game before hitting record. I don't enjoy quicklooks where the person is obviously running through a tutorial sequence, either.

I think part of the issue is the quick look umbrella has a lot of different approaches under it. Sometimes we get people running quicklooks who have effectively mastered the game--that's your example of Jeff and Borderlands. Sometimes we get quicklooks of simple console games where the person running it has little to no experience. These are alright as well.

But occasionally we get quicklooks of complex games where the person running it has little to no experience. These are DISASTROUS. Sometimes hilarious, but always a disaster.

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@aceofspudz said:


But occasionally we get quicklooks of complex games where the person running it has little to no experience. These are DISASTROUS. Sometimes hilarious, but always a disaster.

 
Bingo, you've nailed it. For me, the worst case of this is probably their Demon's Souls coverage, which marked the closest I've come to washing my hands of the site and walking away.
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@Brad:  I would prefer you at least finish the tutorials when the game has them. If you don't have the time, then DON'T do a Quick Look. Do you realize a developer could fold because you didn't take the time even finish the tutorials before playing the game? Maybe for you this is just another game and you shrug and tell yourself "well I just didn't have the time. But we needed content. So there it is". Take this seriously - you make a difference in peoples lives.
Posted by JackiJinx

That looks incredibly intriguing! An interesting direction, indeed.

Posted by mrangryface

Picked this up tonight- I love a weird unknown game experience lol

Edited by Antihippy
@fishless: I think you might be taking this too seriously. Giantbomb isn't the most well known videogame site and the audience of these games have their own sites like rockpapershotgun. It also came out quite awhile ago. Most people who want it already got it.
 
Plus he and other people who have played it said that the tutorials aren't great and it definitely doesn't look like the most intuitive game in the world.
Posted by bybeach

Something about this games combat irritates me... incessant shooting and from a mile out. I'm going to wait for the first sale. For the Emporer David!

Posted by spilledmilkfactory

This game looks awesome, except for the fact that the hacking doesn't pause the action. I'm excited to dive in

Posted by thekingoftoilets

Hey!!! A recent PC title ql that isn't a simulator :D

Posted by malkav11

I'd already picked up a copy - it was too weird and intriguing not to, and the price was acceptable. But I do hope it gets some patch support. I can handle weird translations and opaque game mechanics, but the developers have actively confirmed that stealth is not working as intended (or at all, really), nor the weapon selection keys. And I've read people suggesting that the hacking attribute doesn't actually affect the difficulty of hacking in the way it presumably ought to.

Posted by Spark

Man, I was on the brink of yelling at the screen. I've put around 8 hours into this game, it's great but you have to invest some time into it before you can 'get' it. The story sucks but the massive levels, atmosphere and stats make it worth checking out. I'd put more time into it but I'm waiting for a massive patch that's set to come out this week.

Posted by PandaShake
@Ronald
Yea, I really didn't understand what they weren't getting from the hacking. Brad was right on when he compared it to turn based strategy game with buffs/debuffs, but I was befuddled when he couldn't understand why he was suddenly dieing so quick when the enemy's attack stat read 200+ and his own stat read 0.
 
It was a very entertaining quick look though.
Posted by Bunny_Fire

actually this game reminds me of syndicate if it were a FPS type game .... its got the same dark cycber feel to it

Posted by Sputty

Please don't hurt the space turtles

Posted by TruthTellah
shhhh... don't mention the gecko...
 
So, what is with Vinny and space?  Space Whale, Space Phoenix, and now... Space Turtle?  
 
I think Vinny wanted to be an astronaut before NASA cancelled the shuttle program... :(
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@fishless said:

Do you realize a developer could fold because you didn't take the time even finish the tutorials before playing the game?

Do you realize Giant Bomb could fold if they didn't post this Quick Look? Your negative comment could put Brad back on the street?

Edited by Tennmuerti

@Brad: Thanks for the QL.

As someone who has been on the site for a couple years now, I know exactly what to not have issues with when watching QLs. So it doesn't matter if I see the staff struggle in a QL, this stuff is easy for me to filter out and to still gain plenty of useful information.

Posted by Chumm

@squidracerX said:

@Chumm said:

@Brad said:

"I'm not suggesting you're "anti-PC", just that your PC coverage is inadequate"

inadequate PC coverage? Really? They have tons off PC exclusives up; they've had Stacraft, Portal, World of Warcraft update looks, end of the Matrix Online looks, they have played Mount and Blade how many times? They got on DC Universe. They had freakin' exclusive Bejeweled treatment from Jeff Green. They just played Deus Ex. They've played Frozen Synapse, Vinnie talks about nothing but the Witcher, they showed Witcher 2. DID YOU FORGET THE FARM AND TRAIN SIMULATORS!? Drew just played some airplane game. They did a Quake TNT. My god they've had Terraria and Minecraft. They have shown Penumbra and Cryostasis. Jeff was all about Vvvvvv last year! Cave Story much? Magika i think was PC? Jamestown? Cargo? Sanctum? Dino D-Day? Aquaria? Dungeons of Dredmore? Just to name a few.

they cover enough PC games. How many times did Brad say he wanted to see the PC version of From Dust? He just didn't get sent it obviously. Dont be a dick.

Naturally when I say PC coverage I mean PC exclusives. Yes you've done a good job of listing nearly all the PC coverage the site has done, in one short paragraph. That's an exaggeration of course, but if you look at PC Reviews (the sort of editorial coverage that isn't throwaway like this QL) you'll see that GB has reviewed exactly 1 PC exclusive so far in 2011 and 3 total in 2010. 2009 was a better year for PC reviews but it included at least 4 by Dave Snider who can't be expected to do editorial work given his other responsibilities.

Again I am not suggesting the fellas have anything against PC games, just that they're not interested in them. That's ok, coverage is only interesting to watch when there exists enthusiasm. My suggestion is to hire a PC editor, someone to revive PC coverage like Patrick is reviving news. Perhaps the audience is too small for that to be realistic, but I don't think there's any harm in suggesting it, and I don't think honest criticism means being a dick.

Posted by Cirdain
@Chumm said:

@squidracerX said:

@Chumm said:

@Brad said:

"I'm not suggesting you're "anti-PC", just that your PC coverage is inadequate"

inadequate PC coverage? Really? They have tons off PC exclusives up; they've had Stacraft, Portal, World of Warcraft update looks, end of the Matrix Online looks, they have played Mount and Blade how many times? They got on DC Universe. They had freakin' exclusive Bejeweled treatment from Jeff Green. They just played Deus Ex. They've played Frozen Synapse, Vinnie talks about nothing but the Witcher, they showed Witcher 2. DID YOU FORGET THE FARM AND TRAIN SIMULATORS!? Drew just played some airplane game. They did a Quake TNT. My god they've had Terraria and Minecraft. They have shown Penumbra and Cryostasis. Jeff was all about Vvvvvv last year! Cave Story much? Magika i think was PC? Jamestown? Cargo? Sanctum? Dino D-Day? Aquaria? Dungeons of Dredmore? Just to name a few.

they cover enough PC games. How many times did Brad say he wanted to see the PC version of From Dust? He just didn't get sent it obviously. Dont be a dick.

Naturally when I say PC coverage I mean PC exclusives. Yes you've done a good job of listing nearly all the PC coverage the site has done, in one short paragraph. That's an exaggeration of course, but if you look at PC Reviews (the sort of editorial coverage that isn't throwaway like this QL) you'll see that GB has reviewed exactly 1 PC exclusive so far in 2011 and 3 total in 2010. 2009 was a better year for PC reviews but it included at least 4 by Dave Snider who can't be expected to do editorial work given his other responsibilities.

Again I am not suggesting the fellas have anything against PC games, just that they're not interested in them. That's ok, coverage is only interesting to watch when there exists enthusiasm. My suggestion is to hire a PC editor, someone to revive PC coverage like Patrick is reviving news. Perhaps the audience is too small for that to be realistic, but I don't think there's any harm in suggesting it, and I don't think honest criticism means being a dick.

Calm down everyone.
Posted by StingingVelvet

One of the reasons I love GB and subscribed is their GREAT PC coverage. Saying the opposite is silly.

Posted by Stefftastiq

this game is awesome!

Posted by MachoFantastico

The noises Dave makes is just brilliant.

Edited by Ithmoliar

Chill out everyone!

@Sless said:

@Brad: For me, the current approach is a pretty good one. A PC-ass PC game can be inscrutable, and it's a much more interesting experience to watch someone fumble through it because it really is more akin to what a new gamer would experience. Okay, sometimes the fumbling can be a little over the top and has me facepalming at the screen, but I think that's just a function of being someone who plays games. Video content is wonderful, but I think it often taps into the same thing that has us playing games in the first place - the desire to be playing and controlling the experience firsthand.

You said it perfectly, Sless! I think the only reason people are getting so pissed is because, as a gamer, it is so hard to watch someone fumble through a game when you think you know the solution to a problem. Take the talk about the crew's play time with The Witness; Mr Blow had to leave the room while they played the game as he knew it would be frustrating as hell to watch people stumble through what he knew the answer to.

The Quick Look was fine, what it went to show is that, this is a deep game that requires patience, and if you can't get over the humps these guys encountered, you may not like it, or if like Dave, that interests you, you will like it. The GB crew were not trying to put anyone out of business or personally insult you!