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Posted by soundlug

@acidbrandon18: I played it as 13, I just got truly depressed and cynical about politics. .Not so much about the Patriots but about information control.

Posted by EmuPrime

I loved Nerds blizzards! I was really sad when they stopped making them something like 15 years ago. This summer they had Nerds slushees at Sonic, but it wasn't nearly as good. I should have asked them to make their blizzard equivalent with Nerds... they probably would have done it.

Posted by SuburbanPirate

@bushpusherr well that's disappointing. I've only ever played the HD version on 360 so I didn't know :/

Posted by DeadPanJazMan

So... I didn't think of this when I first played the game or any playthrough since... but when the President comes up to you and grabs your junk and says "Huh?! You're a man?" Was he in fact intending to punch a woman in the vagina?

Edited by BluPotato

Coming from playing MGSIV and Metal Gear Rising, this game almost makes sense. But at the time it was like *plllllllhh-phhhshshsh*.

Posted by ShadowSwordmaster

Yep , Metal Gear so weird.

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Posted by Jedted

As if this shit wasn't weird enough.

Also, is Rose just a reflection of Kojima's relationships with women?

On the Book vs Movie debate: I haven't read it but the novel that inspired the original Stargate is fairly deep and there were two books that came after it apparently.

Posted by kerikxi

Oh man, I envy Drew so much. This wild rollercoaster ride is just beginning. I've played this game through several dozen times and I still struggle to understand everything. 3 and 4 are much more straightforward.

Edited by I_Stay_Puft

Wait Raiden hit Rose!?

Wow 13 years later and you're still finding out some revelations.

Posted by itspizza

I never read Jurassic Park but popular opinion leads me to believe that movie is arguably better than the book.

Edited by bybeach

I still have my mini-disk player and about 50 disks.

Good session! I never and still do not understand the Prez's crotch grab.

I heart Rose.

Posted by Fattony12000

Show me how deep this rabbit hole goes...

Posted by AnthonyWalkens

@fattony12000: You have no idea. Meeting the president is when things start to go nuts.

Posted by Sessh

@danryckert A vampire isn't magical and reading someone's mind isn't either. A vampire is a mythical being and mind reading is more of a special power or something. That's not the same thing.

Ryu isn't a wizard either by the way.

@humanity said:

@homelessbird said:

@humanity said:

@homelessbird said:
@tirseau said:
I think Blade Runner is better than "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?".

Heresy. Of the highest order.

That book is not all that great in all honesty.

Well, I'm a huge PKD fanboy. I've read almost everything he ever wrote. So keep that in mind when I say that you're the wrongest person who has ever wronged.

I would go as far as to say William Gibson is a much more interesting author, I mean, keeping in mind that I am a huge William Gibson fanboy and think Neuromancer is one of the best novels ever written next to the Dune series and Neal Stephensons Baroque Cycle!

Neuromancer's pretty good, but honestly, I think I came to it after reading too much sci-fi inspired by it for it to have the impact some people got from it. Dick's Valis trilogy had a much bigger impact on me. In fact, it's a little weird comparing the two, because on some level, Dick is not writing about rational worlds. A lot of it is less sci-fi and more psychedelic fiction.

I can totally get with you on Dune, though.

I certainly agree with you on Dick being a genius. He's my favourite author by far, and I love him for pretty much the same reasons as you: the psychedelic/psychological aspects to all his writing mixed with the sci-fi themes.

So yes, Androids is also an amazing book, but Blade Runner is still better. It's the only one that really got nailed though. (Total Recall, A Scanner Darkly or Minority Report are all pretty good movies also, but not as good as the Dick stories. The rest of the movies based on his work is forgettable.)

Posted by kishinfoulux

LOL Drew's reaction when the President says "I'm just a figurehead. The real power is in the Patriots hands". Like his mind his melting or something.

Posted by Homelessbird

@sessh: I... just can't get behind that sentiment. It just doesn't feel the same to me without the, y'know, electric animals, and the drug taking, and all the talk about kipple. Blade Runner's a great movie, for sure, but it's a sci-fi noir they made out of a larger concept. I prefer the larger concept.

Also, I personally think A Scanner Darkly is better, maybe not as a movie experience on its own, but as a representation of the actual PKD book. The dialogue and action are almost 100% drawn from the text, I think the visual style is amazing, and it's one of the few movies where I think Keanu Reeves wasn't just tolerable, but perfect for the role.

Edited by RedFox742

I have never been able to rationalize the crotch-grab, even (perhaps especially) if the President thinks Raiden's a chick.

PRESIDENTIAL THOUGHT PROCESS:

  1. The Patriots have sent someone to kill me.
  2. It looks like it's a woman.
  3. Well, I suppose this is the consequence for my betraying them.
  4. Better grab her crotch!

So, what, he was prepared to die, and he just wanted to cop one last feel?

Is this because of Clinton, or something? Is this what the Japanese think our presidents are like?

Or maybe he figured pissing off his assassin would get him killed more quickly?

Or Kojima is just completely fucking insane?

ALSO! Movies that are far better than the books: Silence of the Lambs. Also, the fucking Twilight films, because at least you don't need to read that inane prose, and the wolves looked pretty cool.

Posted by Aegon

@kerikxi said:

Oh man, I envy Drew so much. This wild rollercoaster ride is just beginning. I've played this game through several dozen times and I still struggle to understand everything. 3 and 4 are much more straightforward.

MGS 3 and 4 are the only ones I played and now I realize that was the best outcome. I don't think I would've enjoyed going through 1 and 2.

Great episode though.

Posted by Fattony12000
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@redfox742: The president suspects Olga was sent by the Patriots to infiltrate Dead Cell and kill him for assisting the terrorists. He thought Raiden was Olga due to the androgynous features. Raiden's confusion during their first few lines makes the president question his identity, resulting in the crotch grab.

Posted by onkel

@danryckert: I get where you're coming from, but the movie is much more than those things Durden says. Besides, you're free to interpret the character as you like, Durden being corny can work to the benefit of what the movie's trying to say.
It's only a problem if you take the character as if he's supposed to be the coolest, best and smartest guy ever.

Posted by Zechs_Marquise

Drew's incessant comments during cut-scenes are getting to be a bit much.

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@aegon: MGS4 is more straightforward but also equally as complicated and convoluted as MGS2. If not more so.

I completely understand why people don't like MGS2. It's not everyone's cup of tea. For my money, it's awesome though. It comes at you on so many different levels, there's so many layers to this plot, I like figuring out the mystery of it, and it also doesn't hurt that it's this super-serious game about the Illuminati as Drew put it but then there's a vampire, mechs, and OCELOT BEING AWESOME (and more stuff that I can't talk about yet)

"see you around, carrier boy" after he shot the fucking president in the back

Posted by logikk

@danryckert @drewbert Love hearing you guys talk through the plot so far. It sounds totally ridiculous when you try to piece it all together, which is amazing. I thought this was the best story ever when I was a kid and thought it all made total sense, I was just a little too young to understand it all. Turns out even as an adult, I'm still confused. Keep em' coming!

Posted by Jam8o

Drew is totally unprepared for the incoming mindfuck.

It's gonna be great :)

Posted by drew327

AFTER THE MISSION!

Oh my gosh Rose

Posted by james_kaan

@danryckert said:

@onkel said:

I was disappointed that they didn't try to go for the suppressor. Looked like a fun challenge.

And I think that Dan's apparent opinion that Fight Club is only for angsty teenagers is worse than thinking it's the best movie ever. It's like he's trying to act like he's now too good for the movie and it was never very good or meaningful.

It was amazing and meaningful and everything when I was 16, but it kinda seems corny in retrospect. Lines like "things you own end up owning you" sound deep and thoughtful when you're a kid, but almost laughable as you get older (even if you still agree with the basic sentiment).

Time to buy a house, Dan.

Posted by notnert427

I completely get why people hate Raiden/Rose. Ugh. Even if Rose is supposed to be a clingy, insecure caricature of a shitty girlfriend, it's still irritating. And Raiden is a whiny little bitch, who apparently has gone all Ray Rice at least once, so there's that. I'm playing this shit for the first time along with Drew, but count me among the ones who would have been super-pissed if I'd played MGS1 and then been stuck with this bullshit instead of SNAAAAAKE.

As for movies that are better than the books, I'll throw two Frank Darabont adaptations in the ring. The Shawshank Redemption is based on a Stephen King short story, which inherently doesn't have nearly the substance of the movie. Also, The Green Mile is pretty much THE way to adapt a book into a film if you ask me. The Green Mile was an excellent book (actually, books), and I'm not trying to take anything away from Stephen King at all (e.g. The Shining is a WAY better book than movie), but Darabont's work with The Green Mile is masterful. The film flows so much better, and he managed to put the scenes on screen the way I'd visualized them while reading the book(s).

Anyway, back to MGS2. This is fucking insanity. I'm not ruling out anything as a possibility anymore. I half-expect Vulcan Raven to reform T-1000-style from the coagulated bird shit Drew slipped on earlier because nanomachines. Also, the fact that there are about 73 factions with ever-changing motivations/members doesn't help matters. One President is dead (well, for now, at least, because this is MGS and apparently no one is ever really dead), the other apparently also was a President/Snake's other brother, Ocelot is part Liquid Snake bionic arm, etc. What the fuck doesn't even begin to cover it. I just want to know when Liquidus Snake and Jello Snake show up. I can't wait to meet the ultimate ultimate ultimate ultimate Snake.

Also, Commander Dolph? God damnit, Kojima.

Posted by RVonE
Edited by Danzig
@notnert427 said:

One President is dead (well, for now, at least, because this is MGS and apparently no one is ever really dead), the other apparently also was a President/Snake's other brother, Ocelot is part Liquid Snake bionic arm, etc. What the fuck doesn't even begin to cover it. I just want to know when Liquidus Snake and Jello Snake show up. I can't wait to meet the ultimate ultimate ultimate ultimate Snake.

Only one person that's died has come back, and it's Liquid via his own arm on Ocelot. There is a ninja but we do not yet know if it is really Gray Fox, who you saw get smashed to pieces by Metal Gear Rex in MGS1.

Everyone else that died in MGS1

- Master Miller was killed by Liquid prior to the incident

- Darpa Chief Donald Anderson died from Ocelot's torture (which Ocelot framed as a mistake, although he actually did it on purpose as he admitted to Solidus)

- ArmsTech president Kenneth Baker via Foxdie

- Decoy Octopus via Foxdie

- Sniper Wolf and Psycho Mantis by being shot by Snake

- Vulcan Raven getting eaten by birds

you have not seen or heard from again in any way shape or form.

Please wipe the dribble from your chin before you pass judgment on games you have not played.

Posted by Chillicothe

@danzig said:

Please wipe the dribble from your chin before you pass judgment on games you have not played.

^^^ He mad.

Posted by Keichan

@fnert_bjerglen said:

Drew's incessant comments during cut-scenes are getting to be a bit much.

MGS2 is mostly cutscenes. What do you want them to do, sit quietly during the majority of the game?

Which makes me wonder what the hell they're going to do in the final third of the game, where there's easily an hour of cutscenes and codec calls with no break to save, followed by a boss fight, followed by more cutscenes.

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Posted by DeathByWaffle

I have never finished this game or played any other in the series, but it seems pretty clear what's "going on" with Ocelot...I guess I could be totally wrong though.

Posted by Scrawnto

Oh man, the first concert I ever went to was a String Cheese Incident concert.

Edited by CaLe

Has anyone brought up this video when recommending story analysis stuff to @danryckert? (Definitely not for Drew just yet!)

I'm not sure if other videos come to the same conclusions brought up here, I haven't watched any others, but this analysis is the thing that made stop thinking of Kojima as purely a crazy person and instead recognize him as the mad (but totally legitimate) genius he is. That is of course if the conclusions here are valid. Either way, it was just damn interesting to listen to. The very start may come off as a little hippy-dippy, but stick with it and it does actually pay off.

Posted by Kasaioni

@chillicothe: No, I'm gonna have to agree with fnert. A lot of that exaggerated slippery-slope criticism comes from holier-than-thou people who haven't played the games, and think they have it figured out when it comes to what is supposedly wrong with with Kojima or Metal Gear.

Not to say that there's nothing wrong, there certainly is. But an analysis like notnerts should not be taken seriously, even from a person who dislikes the series and has played it.

Posted by DeadpanCakes

It's official: the president has gotten more from Raiden than Rose.

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Posted by BradSF

These are fantastic! I really hope Drew sticks with them and wants to continue with the series beyond 2.

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@rvone said:

@zechs_marquise said:

@fnert_bjerglen said:

Drew's incessant comments during cut-scenes are getting to be a bit much.

True

False

You can't blame him either, it's a dumb game with an odd disconnect between the goofy and the totally serious multiple factions illuminati blablabla. I'd find it difficult to just sit there silently with another person as well.

This video series has been fun to watch (because I don't have to play through this game again) and a very real reminder of how much I hated the Big Shell part of this game, so about 85% of it!?

Edited by BBOYS2231

ADR, we all know what that really is, although I didn't notice Colonel flubbing up his lines until watching this feature. He really is monotone in his delivery.

Also, Kojima really had his finger on the pulse of all these issues back in the day, that came up in the future. Nuclear weapons, flow of information in the digital age. Crazy stuff.

Posted by notnert427

@kasaioni said:

No, I'm gonna have to agree with fnert. A lot of that exaggerated slippery-slope criticism comes from holier-than-thou people who haven't played the games, and think they have it figured out when it comes to what is supposedly wrong with with Kojima or Metal Gear.

Not to say that there's nothing wrong, there certainly is. But an analysis like notnerts should not be taken seriously, even from a person who dislikes the series and has played it.

@danzig said:
@notnert427 said:

One President is dead (well, for now, at least, because this is MGS and apparently no one is ever really dead), the other apparently also was a President/Snake's other brother, Ocelot is part Liquid Snake bionic arm, etc. What the fuck doesn't even begin to cover it. I just want to know when Liquidus Snake and Jello Snake show up. I can't wait to meet the ultimate ultimate ultimate ultimate Snake.

Only one person that's died has come back, and it's Liquid via his own arm on Ocelot. There is a ninja but we do not yet know if it is really Gray Fox, who you saw get smashed to pieces by Metal Gear Rex in MGS1.

Everyone else that died in MGS1

- Master Miller was killed by Liquid prior to the incident

- Darpa Chief Donald Anderson died from Ocelot's torture (which Ocelot framed as a mistake, although he actually did it on purpose as he admitted to Solidus)

- ArmsTech president Kenneth Baker via Foxdie

- Decoy Octopus via Foxdie

- Sniper Wolf and Psycho Mantis by being shot by Snake

- Vulcan Raven getting eaten by birds

you have not seen or heard from again in any way shape or form.

Please wipe the dribble from your chin before you pass judgment on games you have not played.

Uh, wow. I didn't say I dislike the series (I don't, FWIW), and I am playing it along with Drew. I didn't think observing that some crazy shit was going on plot-wise would be such an inflammatory statement. Maybe it all gets reconciled later on. Maybe I'll like Raiden/Rose better by the end of the game. I admittedly don't know yet, because I'm no further than Drew is. Right now, things are getting pretty nuts, and if Dan is to be believed, it's about to get even more batshit crazy.

That doesn't mean that I think it's a bad game or that I even dislike the game. All I'm really saying is that some weird shit is going down, and that my opinion is that the characters of Raiden/Rose aren't that great so far. I can get and appreciate that some "out there" stuff is part of the MGS universe, and it does have charm for me there.

I honestly wasn't trying to shit on the game at all, so apologies if it came off that way. I was just having a little fun with some of the craziness. Much of the game is still impressive even now. I love the AI, the crazy attention to detail, the easter eggs, etc., and I'm enjoying the juxtaposition of goofy things like the Raiden/Rose empty room drama conversation right after the President gets murdered.

That said, let's not act like it all makes perfect sense and requires zero suspension of disbelief. Again, I'm enjoying both playing it myself and watching Drew play it, so that's not exactly a criticism of the game, but it's a weird game nonetheless. I mean, it's a game where an enemy can hear the hand dryer and go to investigate, and then be outwitted by putting on a cardboard box. That's both awesome and ridiculous, which is about how I'd describe the game on the whole. I hope this serves as clarification.

Edited by yugge

@deadpanjazman: No, he thought that Raiden was Cyborg ninja, sent by the patriots to punish him for his betrayal. So it was more "You are NOT a robot?!"

Posted by Jayxeno

YOU'RE THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS NOW DREW.

Edited by Shtinky

Wow, Drew, who seemingly can barely operate an analog stick, played SM64, huh. o_O

Edited by Draxyle

Oh god, I've been waiting for that conversation.. "your room is as empty as your heart". Me and a friend of mine laughed about that line for years.

Posted by LostFlock

Watching through Metal Gear Scanlon, i realized how much Dan is a fucking Jinx especially for Drew. Drew should avoid riding in any cars or planes with Dan

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@keichan said:

@fnert_bjerglen said:

Drew's incessant comments during cut-scenes are getting to be a bit much.

MGS2 is mostly cutscenes. What do you want them to do, sit quietly during the majority of the game?

Which makes me wonder what the hell they're going to do in the final third of the game, where there's easily an hour of cutscenes and codec calls with no break to save, followed by a boss fight, followed by more cutscenes.

I think the issue is that (speaking for myself only here) I'm worried that Drew is missing critical pieces of information while going for the one liners. The one liners are often funny, but I don't want him to miss out on something important along the way.

Posted by Clapmaster

Damn Drew is really good at humming the Mario 64 dire dire docks theme! Love it.