War Has Apparently Changed

Uh, what the fuck? What does this mean for zombie mode?

This really is just MGS 4 isn't it? Holy shit did they just come across the E3 trailer from 2007 on youtube or something?

Well is this is kinda gross.

Call of duty: army of two confirmed.

I don't know whats more gross, vice, activision or the collaboration.

You can't fool me Kojima.

I dont know why, but I want to sock the guy narrating this video right in the throat.

No clue why.

VICE and CoD. Those are the two things i used to like a lot but dont care about them anymore since certain point.

OH NO WHAT IF WAR ISNT ACTUALLY GREAT AND COOL BUT ACTUALLY REALLY SHITTY AND FUCKED UP?!?!

ugh.

Is this Frog Fractions 2?

eh whatever, I still love VICE.

If Vice are in on this I'll buy it just to spite the haters.

PMCs are such a MGS rip off. Kojima came up with the idea and then groups like Blackwater started popping up...how sad.

Bun bun bunnnnnnnn I don't care how many times or how differently they can say "We're revitalizing and revolutionizing the Call of Duty formula", it'll still just be the same boring nonsense it's been for the past few yearrrrrrrrs.

@theterriblefamiliar: I don't normally do this, but...

^ THIS THIS THIS AND THIS

Well that didn't work. Fuck I hate giantbomb's forum tools

This.
The whole "evil PMC solider without a country" bullshit is all hollywood. Sure, there have been individuals working for private companies that have done bad things, but the idea of a PMC taking things over and "working for the highest bidder" just doesn't happen in real life. First of all, the reputable companies (BlackWater back in the day, Triple Canopy, AMT, DynaCorp) wouldn't touch it because that would get them blacklisted by most governments out there and they would lose their contracts. As a rule PMCs are not allowed to be involved in open combat - most of those guys you saw running around Iraq and Afghanistan were on Personal Security Details (bodyguards, basically) for high-level government and military officials (because the military couldn't do their own Force Protection operations). Or they were, as you said, doing supply/logistics, admin, and training tasks to supplement the larger military force. Without contractors, the military simply wouldn't be able to function.

If you haven't, I suggest you watch the documentary "The Shadow Military" from the Military Channel. You can get it on Amazon instant video, and YouTube. I think it's like $1.99 for the episode.

Also, here is a video of Travis Haley (the sniper from the Najaf Blackwater video) talking about what happened that day. He's also featured on the Military Channel documentary I mentioned earlier.

Rise of Flight dawg. it's dope.

i understand that under the UN law you can't have a "mercenary organiziton" so just re brand it as Private security services contractor , Academi = Black water current name. ITS Same fucking thing "Mercenary of the 21 centuary" i don't understand why the UN or most governments still go by it. But i probably already know the answer the Elites in charge don't want it to change, and some bodies friends in the big business of it all is making money so I don't know. its a little glume but that just how this fukced up world works. I just hope its not just bland ass guided rail shooter like most of there games,but i am probably wrong its going to be same garbage they keep putting out because people enjoy it and keep buy the same bland crap with tiny iterations .

God dame sorry for the rant i just had to get that off my chest.

METAL GEAR!

Aw come on Vice.. i used to really like watching their stuff, but they've become a tad bit too sensationalist for my taste, this is yet another of these cases.

Can G4S actually be considered an PMC and not just mere rent-a-cops? Sure they are active in Israel, but most of their activity seems to be centered around cash handling. So the majority of those G4S people are probably not war hardened mercenaries with military backgrounds, but rather ex law enforcement and bouncer types.

Even with an budget of £284 million these guys failed to organize security for the Olympic Summer Games in London 2012, so i wouldn't hold my breath on these people taking over the world anytime soon..

Cute. But you're forgetting that every army in Machiavelli's time was supplemented with mercenaries. Armies have been bolstered by guns (or swords) for hire for millennia and even when they have actually been 100% recruited troops, they have still committed the same crimes against humanity that we see being committed by PMC troops in the media. War can and in most cases will drive a certain percentage of its combatants to do dreadful things to other human beings, regardless of who is getting a pay cheque.

I'm down for a new Metal Gear.

@theirishcuisine:

I wonder how many times CoD can attack America before they take the hint that its lost all of its shock value.

I mean wasn't that big *GASP!* moment from all the way back in MW2?

I didn't know that the company I work for is the 4th largest company in the world. Hmm I need a raise!!!

Nicolo Machiavelli said it best in The Prince: a standing army is needed to defend one's kingdom, an army armed and accommodated by its ruler and so loyal to its ruler. Then, and only then, will a prince be safe from his enemies.

They say money is the root of all evil. Well, if you have enough of it, it can be the root of all peace.

(yes, I know the actual expression is "the love of money is the root of all evil", but it sounds better the other way)

The context of these statements is usually that PMCs are somehow bad BECAUSE they are private rather than governmental. I happen to think that the "military" part of PMCs make them bad, not the part where they are private.

That's assuming those people actually believe that a national military going to war is somehow better.

It's like saying "anyone who thinks oranges are disgusting should seriously question why they think apples are superior."

Vice, the people who brought you "a guy did something on drugs," and Activision, the company that brought you "shooting dudes," have come together for blahblahblahblah

It seems very odd that they make it sound kind of bad and creepy... yet they are making a game about it which kind of seems like HELL YEAH! Weird.

Anyone who says that PMCs fighting wars is immoral should seriously question why they believe that a government military going to war and killing the government's enemies is somehow better?

A "new era" of the same gameplay.

Who am I kidding? I'm gonna play this anyways...

You get to play as the nanomachines this time

Yeah! WTF Gerstmann?

@pondwhale: VICE has always whored themselves out for stuff like this. And as far as I can remember, VICE's docs have always been hit and miss with, in general, too big a focus on the VICE correspondent being IN THE MIDDLE OF IT! DON'T FORGET THAT THIS IS SOME DANGEROUS SHIT RIGHT HERE!!!!!! VICE does good work from time to time, but stuff like this makes it hard to take it seriously.

Now I wanna see the Vice story for doing for this, or more importantly were they doing this story before Activision said hey we're also doing a game about this?

I like the intimation that mercenaries are somehow a new thing - as if the existence of voluntary national standing armies isn't a relatively new thing.

I was hoping a Big Boss talking head would show up and talk about OUTER HEAVEN for a few seconds

God, I hate the "shock style" to VICE's docs. Also, G4S installed the alarm at my parent's house. Should I be worried about my dad being a PMC?! That small segment about G4S was just laughable.

"What happens when they stop taking orders..."

AND START GETTINGREAL.

...PMC!

I haven't bought a warshooter since COD4 but I kinda love how many hairs are pulled and tears shed by elitist g4m3rz everytime one of these come out.

Why is a video game marketing video trying to scare the fuck outta people? What is this? Why?

This is literally the plot of Metal Gear :P

PMC stops taking orders and starts taking over :P

when they got to taking over part all hope was lost. I don't really know why i had any... but when they were going through all of the pmc stuff and how they work all over over the moral spectrum, I imagined a call of duty game where you would actually question the things you were doing while you were playing the game. Then, when they said that the PMC's could take over I knew they would just be the bad guys, and that is in know way interesting to me.

"Hey guys these awful corporations who are hired to kill people (and sometimes civilians *cough* Blackwater *cough*) are huge and probably sinister as fuck! NOW GO PLAY CAPTURE THE FLAG AS A PMC! CALL OF DUTY! CATCH IT NOVEMBER 2014! FUCK YOU!"

VICE is wildly inconsistent, except this is the sort of thing they're usually much better about.

hmmmmrrrr

What about the stunning conclusion to the Black Ops trilogy?

WHAT ABOUT THE NUMBERS!?!

I don't think any claim in that video is actually true, or at least doesn't have some significant nuances to be made.

But Vice isn't really in the business of nuanced reporting, so I don't really know what I expected.