Topic should read : dismal - sorry for the spell check


Let me clarify and start right off by saying I love my XBOX 360.  Okay, now with that out of the way, let me pull out my soapbox and take a step up. Can I get a witness...

While I might be preaching to the choir, most people are aware of the lackluster lifeline of said 360 console.  There are two schools of thought when it comes to the RROD (red ring of death) or most general/video hardware failures; those that it has happened to, and those who have yet to experience the dreaded red stinkeye of death, but will eventually.  Sure...I used to be one of the smug "It'll never happen to me".... crowd, "I take care of my electronics and I trust MS..."....blah blah blah...well...I am now going on my 4th XBOX 360 in 3 years.  Yes, for my collection of XBOX 360's regardless of manufacture date, Falcon chip, care, dust prevention - the lifeline is averaged at just over a year, sometime when the standard warranty runs out!

MS is very lucky in terms of its game library which keeps users like me coming back for more abuse.  Trust me I have thought about  going to the Dark Side and getting a PS3, but I have so much invested into my 360 library that I always come back to the warm familiar shelter of Bill Gates and Company.  Anyhoo, this brings up my dilemma...As a 35 year old gamer who still has his original Pong, Atari 2600, Vectrex, Colecovision, Microvision, Apple IIe, Commodore 64, Sega Genesis, Sony Playstation, Super Nintendo, Nintendo 64, and Nintendo DS, and Original XBOX - all in perfectly good working order I might add...one has to wonder what the future may hold for collectors like myself, or those who choose to relish their libraries of games and whip out some tasty nostalgia from time to time.   Heck, you don't even need to be a collector, just someone who takes care of their purchases and like to play games long after the market has stopped supporting the tech and moved on to the next gen. 

Unfortunately, unless the XBOX 3 has full backward compatibility, and not what we have currently on the 360 with the Original XBOX library, something that really works!!!!...I'm afraid my hard earned cash is only going to the trash heap as my games in a 5-10 year timeframe will be rendered worthless by the fact that no single XBOX 360 will be alive in order to appreciate their gaming goodness.  I can see the EBAY page now...Working XBOX 360, NIB (new in box never played), note * based on past failure rates seller cannot guarantee working condition upon receipt of winning bid item.  Purchaser assumes all responsiblity for RROD or other video failures as MS has stopped supporting the 360 long ago. 

What's a gamer/collector to do...sink his money into AAA titles only...looks to be the case...too bad really since there are a plethora of purchase worthy titles I will have to skip as they will only line up to be future coasters in a dormant 360 flashing that evil red eye of doom.

 So in 10 years if you have a working XBOX 360, list that sucker up on EBAY, I'll be waiting....

your whole arguement is flawed by the fact that its almost guaranteed that the xbox 3 will be fully backwards compatible with the 360.  We still dont know about back to the xbox, but id assume theyll find a way for us to play halo 1 and 2 (it is afterall the reason the xbox survived)

So lets get this straight, you write a blog about your 360's failing *and there are 3 groups, those its happend too, those who deny it will, and those whom it never has and likely never will* and you then post a thread about your blog post?
maybe next time just post your lil diatribe instead of blogging it then pointing us to the blog.

Dude, the RROD epidemic is over, failure rates have been dropping quickly.

^ i think this is true.  My xbox hasnt failed on me.  I got it about the time gears came out

Where are you guys getting that info? Do you actually have a source other than "dude, me and my bro haven't replaced our 360's in a long time"

"Where are you guys getting that info? Do you actually have a source other than "dude, me and my bro haven't replaced our 360's in a long time""

"So lets get this straight, you write a blog about your 360's failing *and there are 3 groups, those its happend too, those who deny it will, and those whom it never has and likely never will* and you then post a thread about your blog post?
maybe next time just post your lil diatribe instead of blogging it then pointing us to the blog."

"Dude, the RROD epidemic is over, failure rates have been dropping quickly."

"DARKIDO07 said:

"Dude, the RROD epidemic is over, failure rates have been dropping quickly."

Here's my conspiracy theory.  My latest failure is a video card failure which happened right up until my last 2 RROD.  The screen goes green and red and very Vincent Van Goughy!...I haven't got the RROD yet and here's why I believe why.  Get out your copy of Oliver Stone's JFK and strap on your tinfoil helmet. 

MS realized they were getting hammered with video failures with the RROD and since they extended the warranty by 3 years, they needed a way out.  The latest updates on Live have allowed the Video Card Failures - which is now rapidly on the rise (just take a look at the threads on xbox.com)  to avoid triggering a RROD.  So now you have an out of warranty, video failure with no extended 3 year warranty.  Problem solved for the press and MS.  In other words your screwed unless you lie and call it a RROD anyways.  So keep up the cockyness, you's WILL FAIL, trust me.  Post back here when it does and let me know how your RMA is going...Plus for a quality roduct you shouldn't have to crack cases and fix clamps with washers and what not.

"

Blog posts in the form of a thread are one thing, but a thread started only to link to a blog post is really lame.

Here's my conspiracy theory.  My latest failure is a video card failure which happened right up until my last 2 RROD.  The screen goes green and red and very Vincent Van Goughy!...

" ...I really don't care what I do to my Xbox as its out of warranty anyway."

"DARKIDO07 said:

" ...I really don't care what I do to my Xbox as its out of warranty anyway."

It should still be covered for RRoD, right?  It hasn't even been three years since its release."

"your whole arguement is flawed by the fact that its almost guaranteed that the xbox 3 will be fully backwards compatible with the 360.  We still dont know about back to the xbox, but id assume theyll find a way for us to play halo 1 and 2 (it is afterall the reason the xbox survived)"

Take it easy Jayge, I'm sure you can find a more productive way of expressing your opinions.  Let's not let this thread turn into yet another full-on flame war.

I am hoping that Microsoft has the decency and common sense to make the next Xbox console fully 100% backwards compatible with all 360 games. It would really make me angry if I want to play these games in the future and my console was to red ring and not be in warranty anymore without any other way of playing them.

"Origina1Penguin said:

"DARKIDO07 said:

" ...I really don't care what I do to my Xbox as its out of warranty anyway."

It should still be covered for RRoD, right?  It hasn't even been three years since its release."

I don't know, I check my warranty status online (Xbox.com) and it said out of warranty."

You guys are acting like RRoD is the only way a 360 can fail.
SmugDarkLoser said:

"^ i think this is true.  My xbox hasnt failed on me.  I got it about the time gears came out"

"Take it easy Jayge, I'm sure you can find a more productive way of expressing your opinions.  Let's not let this thread turn into yet another full-on flame war."

"You guys are acting like RRoD is the only way a 360 can fail.

I´m on my fourth xbox in little under a year :P while a friend of mine has had his for 2+ years without anything happening to it, so aparantly I´ve been cursed or something.

"MB said:

"Take it easy Jayge, I'm sure you can find a more productive way of expressing your opinions.  Let's not let this thread turn into yet another full-on flame war."

Fine.

That's a highly unintelligent statement. Nobody can guarantee anything about the new Xbox, and discounting him because you think differently is not a wise choice. Furthermore, consoles have quickly been turning to a policy of no backwards compatibility with little or no opposition, and the likelihood of being backwards compatible besides purchasing digitally distributed games in the next generation is very, very low."

"WilliamRLBaker said:

"So lets get this straight, you write a blog about your 360's failing *and there are 3 groups, those its happend too, those who deny it will, and those whom it never has and likely never will* and you then post a thread about your blog post?
maybe next time just post your lil diatribe instead of blogging it then pointing us to the blog."

Your 3rd group is the test group, and one I was a proud member of until I got too cocky.  Hence my 4th box.  As fox the blog thing, yeah, my bad I was just playing with the site features...next time I'll just post it."

"chughes737 said:

"WilliamRLBaker said:

"So lets get this straight, you write a blog about your 360's failing *and there are 3 groups, those its happend too, those who deny it will, and those whom it never has and likely never will* and you then post a thread about your blog post?
maybe next time just post your lil diatribe instead of blogging it then pointing us to the blog."

Your 3rd group is the test group, and one I was a proud member of until I got too cocky.  Hence my 4th box.  As fox the blog thing, yeah, my bad I was just playing with the site features...next time I'll just post it."

We'll I'll get back to you when i reach the end of this gen and my 360's still work.

@jayge we cannot gurantee it but neither can any one else that says all 360s will eventually fail regardless."

"chughes737 said:

"WilliamRLBaker said:

"So lets get this straight, you write a blog about your 360's failing *and there are 3 groups, those its happend too, those who deny it will, and those whom it never has and likely never will* and you then post a thread about your blog post?
maybe next time just post your lil diatribe instead of blogging it then pointing us to the blog."

Your 3rd group is the test group, and one I was a proud member of until I got too cocky.  Hence my 4th box.  As fox the blog thing, yeah, my bad I was just playing with the site features...next time I'll just post it."

We'll I'll get back to you when i reach the end of this gen and my 360's still work.

@jayge we cannot gurantee it but neither can any one else that says all 360s will eventually fail regardless."

"Topic should read : dismal - sorry for the spell check

http://www.giantbomb.com/profile/chughes737/xbox-360faila-glimpse-into-the-dismal-future-of-a-collector/30-12328/"

"WilliamRLBaker said:

"chughes737 said:

"WilliamRLBaker said:

"So lets get this straight, you write a blog about your 360's failing *and there are 3 groups, those its happend too, those who deny it will, and those whom it never has and likely never will* and you then post a thread about your blog post?
maybe next time just post your lil diatribe instead of blogging it then pointing us to the blog."

Your 3rd group is the test group, and one I was a proud member of until I got too cocky.  Hence my 4th box.  As fox the blog thing, yeah, my bad I was just playing with the site features...next time I'll just post it."

We'll I'll get back to you when i reach the end of this gen and my 360's still work.

@jayge we cannot gurantee it but neither can any one else that says all 360s will eventually fail regardless."

Actually, the combined failure rates of disk drives, processor failures, graphics card failures, among other things reaches much higher than any single statistic. Not that your post has anything to do with my post anyway."

Okay guys, sorry I posted the blog link rather than the blog itself.  I guess I just wasn't sure about the blog thing to begin with and didn't know it was a breach of geek etiquette.

On a side note : Can someone answer then what is the point of blogs on this site from a user standpoint?  Won't they just go unread?

Anyways, The point of the thread was not to start a war about the reliability of the XBOX 360, but the fact that most given a long enough time line will fail...So yours is still working...Great, good for you and your stanch support of your unfounded confidence.  My point was what about those of us who like to look back in 10 and 20 years. I can almost guarantee without a successful BC mission by MS, there will be no 360 nostagia except for XBOX Live Arcade downloads etc...
Is this a travesty, well considering all tech will eventually break, not that much, but I would like to at least get 5 years out of a single console.  Is that too much too ask?  Trust me, I would much rather be on the side of people who haven't had to pack up their baby and send it to Texas for refurbishng/replacement but that is not the case.  I have 4 other friends who all have 360's and all have had to replace theirs at least once.  That's a 100% failure rate in my little circle.  We have also all stopped willy nilly purchasing games like we used to and save ourr purchases for AAA only.  Should you or MS be concerned...hell yes.  There are others out there in my situation, over 30% of the userbase. If you put out an inferior piece of hardware, software sales will eventually balance to reflect the systems confidence level....Not good for indie developers or 3rd party support.

Is this going to end 360 tomorrow, obviously not.  I just wish people would demand higher standards from their purchases now adays rather than try to boast their intellect with statements like, "Dude, you're a dumbass it's just a simple Xclamp trick  to make it work"...That's the point, IT SHOULD WORK FLAWLESS ALREADY!.  Anyways, until the end user demands a higher standard, companies like MS will  continue to cater to the lowest common denominator.

I've yet to have a single problem with a DAY one launch pro 360 and its been played quite often im sure i've beat the over 3 year chance limit on this thing it shows no sign of breaking any time soon, the same for my elite.

"your whole arguement is flawed by the fact that its almost guaranteed that the xbox 3 will be fully backwards compatible with the 360.  We still dont know about back to the xbox, but id assume theyll find a way for us to play halo 1 and 2 (it is afterall the reason the xbox survived)"

I'll admit that I have had 3 Xbox 360's. Two of them failed. One of them is still running strong. None however had problems from RRoD.

My first Xbox 360, which I got Christmas of 2006, it's graphics card failed in March 2007.  Then in April of 2007 I bought an Elite. I fucked up it's HDD Because I tried to import my old saves onto it using Code Junkies XSATA Drive thing. So I took it back to Gamestop and said "Yeah the HDD didn't Work" they got me a new one within days... It's held up without a hitch since then.

"emulators."

 i got my 360 in 2005 and it is never broke on me i gues im one of the lucky ones

Wow. The 360 is not perfect, but nither is anyother console. And the 360 is kinda my favorite console right now, not by much. But just by enough.

You can apply your argument to any console!  Surely,  an old Playstation is going to be discontinued 10 years later & its games will have the same issue.  You make the assumption that the games won't carry forward, which they probably will, otherwise Mr. Softy will kill its fan base.

As for Xbox games, they already have the solution: Xbox Originals, download the old Xbox game to your hdd to play. So those games aren't going away when they're in digital form.  They might do the same with all the 360 games also. 

Lastly, there is the possibility that Mr. Softy licenses out the Xbox 360 in 2020 to asian knock-offs, so you can pick up a console for $40 at Wal-mart similar to how it works for old Nintendo & Sega consoles.