@c0l0nelp0c0rn1: I agree. I like Halo Reach online is really the only reason I have a gold account and I have a friend who only has a 360 and we play that game together quite a bit. Otherwise I honestly wouldn't be on Xbox Live.
Stauch XBL defenders remind me of launch console defenders. No matter what is said or evidence to the contrary its just "well...i just think its better".
You do realize that you're doing the exact same thing, right? Every reason we give you, you refuse to accept it. Why do you insist on trying to "convert" everyone into your way of thinking? You have your free online with your PS3. Good for you. Spend less time here and more time there, FFS.
Personaly, ive heard them quite a few times in games like Halo, but that was about it. Its always one or two in a session every once in a while. Far from happening excessively. The myth of PSN having no shitty users is a myth. Ive heard several people arguing and threatening to kill each other and calling people gay on KZ3, Resistance, and yes even Uncharted 2's online. How can you threaten to kill someone on a game like Uncharted 2? thats just wrong.
@tooPrime: Considering I own all next gen systems including (kind of unfortunately) a 3ds...you'd be mistaken. Your post sounds like your angry about the tribe you left.
lol i genuinely like that tribe comment. At the very least you do seem to be trolling a little, considering you're kind of keeping this thread alive by responding to every person.
@haggis: If that's your analogy, you really need to work on critical thinking. Car requires gas to run. My car in this analogy would be any of my systems. The gas, aka what I use to run with, is the internet. I pay for my 30Mbps connection to my ISP, aka the gas station.
Stauch XBL defenders remind me of launch console defenders. No matter what is said or evidence to the contrary its just "well...i just think its better".
You mean like the Microsoft lackies, who were hailing 360 the greatest system on earth when it didn't even have a library. Those same lackies who defended Microsoft for their incompotence during Microsoft'sRRoD situation? You shouldn't be talking about any fanboy of Nintendo or Xbox 360. Espeacialy when the majority of the retardeness this gen came from all lackies. "
@rebgav: Not when it's Peer-to-Peer network model. No one pays for P2P networking except what you pay for your ISP. Dedicated servers in Gears 3 changes this somewhat, but when the majority of games use P2P it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
What does make a lot of sense is that the Xbox 360 is the only place to get the new Halo or Gears, and I really like to play those games online. Why do you think they haven't released Halo 3-Reach on PC yet? Because they haven't figured out how to charge for P2P multiplayer on the PC yet.
XBL racist is the excuse ive heard the most. Personaly, ive heard them quite a few times in games like Halo, but that was about it. Its always one or two in a session every once in a while. Far from happening excessively. The myth of PSN having no shitty users is a myth. Ive heard several people arguing and threatening to kill each other on KZ3, Resistance, and yes even Uncharted 2's online. How can you threaten to kill someone on a game like Uncharted 2? thats just wrong.
My experience with disruptive users has been about equal on both services. I haven't found Live to be any worse that PSN, but then I never played Halo online. Then again, I never played Resistance or Killzone either on PSN. In general, I find that there weren't many disruptive users when I did play online, and that users on both services tended to shout down the idiots pretty quickly. But that's just my own experience.
I don't know why you say hiked up. I can get 2 months of Gold for $2 through the dashboard if I want it, and a few weeks ago I could get 3 months and 800 MS points for $6. This may be because my subscription ran out a few weeks ago. I also got 14 months for free with the purchase of my 360 and a game (but that was retailer specific). I've seen plenty of other offers on pre-paid subscription cards. You don't really have to pay full price for Xbox live anymore.
A lot of people in this thread are using horrible consumer logic. You don't pay for something because you assume it subsidizes other things. You pay for something because it's a good value, because businesses are supposed to work hard to earn your money.
Whether it's a good value is up to you; personally I find the whole experience to be more cohesive than on the PS3 and don't find $5 to be too bad of a deal, but you shouldn't tell someone who questions the value of Live to shut up just because you're an horrible consumer who treat businesses like they're charities.
@haggis: If that's your analogy, you really need to work on critical thinking. Car requires gas to run. My car in this analogy would be any of my systems. The gas, aka what I use to run with, is the internet. I pay for my 30Mbps connection to my ISP, aka the gas station.
Stauch XBL defenders remind me of launch console defenders. No matter what is said or evidence to the contrary its just "well...i just think its better".
You mean like the Sony lackies, who were hailing PS3 the greatest system on earth when it didn't even have a library. Those same lackies who defended Sony for their incompotence during Sony's hacking situation? You shouldn't be talking about any fanboy of Nintendo or Xbox 360. Espeacialy when the majority of the retardeness this gen came from Sony lackies. "Killzone 3 looks better than Crysis".
So if people praising the PS3 are "Sony lackies" that makes you a Microsoft lackie too, right? Fair has to be fair and the way you describe those lackies seem to fit 100% with how you act when you talk about Microsoft
@haggis: If that's your analogy, you really need to work on critical thinking. Car requires gas to run. My car in this analogy would be any of my systems. The gas, aka what I use to run with, is the internet. I pay for my 30Mbps connection to my ISP, aka the gas station.
Stauch XBL defenders remind me of launch console defenders. No matter what is said or evidence to the contrary its just "well...i just think its better".
You mean like the Microsoft lackies, who were hailing 360 the greatest system on earth when it didn't even have a library. Those same lackies who defended Microsoft for their incompotence during Microsoft'sRRoD situation? You shouldn't be talking about any fanboy of Nintendo or Xbox 360. Espeacialy when the majority of the retardeness this gen came from all lackies. "
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Except not all of us are fanboys here. I own all three consoles. I don't play online much anymore. I think PSN is fine. I prefer Xbox Live. I'm not a frothing at the mouth defender of Microsoft. The fact remains that a lot of people who prefer Live have given you their reasons for it, and basically you ignore them. If you don't want to pay for Live, that's fine. We've explained why we prefer it, even though we have to pay. I think we've gone to heroic efforts to help you understand. You clearly don't want to. That's your choice. But not everyone who disagrees with you is a fanboy.
@haggis: If that's your analogy, you really need to work on critical thinking. Car requires gas to run. My car in this analogy would be any of my systems. The gas, aka what I use to run with, is the internet. I pay for my 30Mbps connection to my ISP, aka the gas station.
Stauch XBL defenders remind me of launch console defenders. No matter what is said or evidence to the contrary its just "well...i just think its better".
You mean like the Microsoft lackies, who were hailing 360 the greatest system on earth when it didn't even have a library. Those same lackies who defended Microsoft for their incompotence during Microsoft'sRRoD situation? You shouldn't be talking about any fanboy of Nintendo or Xbox 360. Espeacialy when the majority of the retardeness this gen came from all lackies. "
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What are you on about? Microsoft started out this gen with a fantastic library. While sony came out with an overpriced blu ray player with no games. They've just now started showing the games some attention.
All fanboys are bad, on all platforms. However you need to go on Gametrailers. We have what we call there a "PS3 fanboy Hall of fame".
Trust me, I can never find a reason to justify my Xbox Live purchase. That's why, ever since they bumped the price to $60, I started looking for deals. Luckily Microsoft did 1 month for $1. I purchased 5 months worth from that. After that I'm hitting up Amazon. People are selling a bunch of 12 month cards for $40.
@ZeForgotten: No, lackies stick by a corporation no matter what. If Nintendo came out with a system tommorow that just wiped the floor with everything on Microsoft's or Sony's console. My console of choice would be the Nintendo console. I dislike both Microsoft & Sony. Microsoft however currently has the better product. Whether i am a fan of the next Playstation or Xbox depends entirely on Microsoft & Sony.
PS3 has some decent exclusives, thats where it ends though. As far as online play goes? if i don't get it on Steam i will buy the multiplat with online play on 360 for a better experience.
XBL racist is the excuse ive heard the most. Personaly, ive heard them quite a few times in games like Halo, but that was about it. Its always one or two in a session every once in a while. Far from happening excessively. The myth of PSN having no shitty users is a myth. Ive heard several people arguing and threatening to kill each other on KZ3, Resistance, and yes even Uncharted 2's online. How can you threaten to kill someone on a game like Uncharted 2? thats just wrong.
My experience with disruptive users has been about equal on both services. I haven't found Live to be any worse that PSN, but then I never played Halo online. Then again, I never played Resistance or Killzone either on PSN. In general, I find that there weren't many disruptive users when I did play online, and that users on both services tended to shout down the idiots pretty quickly. But that's just my own experience.
So basically you choose to ignore reality and have an opinion based what you choose not to see which everyone else, including the media (HALO KID/CHOCOLATE MILK) recognises as reality. Saying something is your own experience is fine and dandy but arguing against reality because you choose to ignore reality and calling that your own experience as if it's some evidence that your point of view holds any merit really isn't ok. It's not even crazy. It's just plain old blinkered bullshit. Bullshit yourself all you want but don't expect other people to agree with you.
That's why I stopped using my 360. I just refuse to pay to play games online. I just think it's revolting to have to pay for games I already bought just to access the other half of a disk. If it's an MMO it's fine because you are paying to get new content from the Developers, but this is just a greedy pay gate.
@YoungFrey: That is what I do actually, but that's called going around the system. Movie tickets are expensive but the fact I get in for free doesn't change what the price of movie tickets are.
Not paying full price does have an effect. It doesn't lower the price necessarily. But it puts pressure on the seller. Microsoft knows what people are paying for their service. If they see renewals drop and card sales go up they might lower the base price. Or they might raise it again based on the assumption that renewl customers are not sensitive to price changes. Short of getting a job at MS, the most effect tactic is probably to promote any sale of Live Cards you see.
Edit: I really hate the editor (new and old) It makes it impossible for me to know if my formatting is right.
@haggis: If that's your analogy, you really need to work on critical thinking. Car requires gas to run. My car in this analogy would be any of my systems. The gas, aka what I use to run with, is the internet. I pay for my 30Mbps connection to my ISP, aka the gas station.
Stauch XBL defenders remind me of launch console defenders. No matter what is said or evidence to the contrary its just "well...i just think its better".
You mean like the Sony lackies, who were hailing PS3 the greatest system on earth when it didn't even have a library. Those same lackies who defended Sony for their incompotence during Sony's hacking situation? You shouldn't be talking about any fanboy of Nintendo or Xbox 360. Espeacialy when the majority of the retardeness this gen came from Sony lackies. "Killzone 3 looks better than Crysis".
I agree Sammo is an asshole but to say Sony has worse fans is kind of a dick move.
@ZeForgotten: No, lackies stick by a corporation no matter what. If Nintendo came out with a system tommorow that just wiped the floor with everything on Microsoft's or Sony's console. My console of choice would be the Nintendo console. I dislike both Microsoft & Sony. Microsoft however currently has the better product. Whether i am a fan of the next Playstation or Xbox depends entirely on Microsoft & Sony. PS3 has some decent exclusives, thats where it ends though. As far as online play goes? if i don't get it on Steam i will buy the multiplat with online play on 360 for a better experience.
You know that is subjective right. As in relative to the consumer. As in what your saying isn't based on an objective fact but what you like on it.
@rebgav: Yes, but they still let you play online for free, you just don't get matched with anybody and instead have to use a server browser to find games.
Basically, the gist of my entire argument for Xbox LIVE is that they have Halo and Gears. As long as those games are unavailable on other consoles or the PC, then I will pick up Xbox Live for the month that those games are new. If they released Gears 3 on PC, I'd be all up ons, but since it's not I still have to pay for Xbox LIVE.
@haggis: If that's your analogy, you really need to work on critical thinking. Car requires gas to run. My car in this analogy would be any of my systems. The gas, aka what I use to run with, is the internet. I pay for my 30Mbps connection to my ISP, aka the gas station.
Stauch XBL defenders remind me of launch console defenders. No matter what is said or evidence to the contrary its just "well...i just think its better".
You mean like the Sony lackies, who were hailing PS3 the greatest system on earth when it didn't even have a library. Those same lackies who defended Sony for their incompotence during Sony's hacking situation? You shouldn't be talking about any fanboy of Nintendo or Xbox 360. Espeacialy when the majority of the retardeness this gen came from Sony lackies. "Killzone 3 looks better than Crysis".
I agree Sammo is an asshole but to say Sony has worse fans is kind of a dick move.
Hey, its only my opinion based on what ive observed this entire gen across the interwebs.
Gametrailers and on various other sites. They might tell you which fanboy "race" run the site. Even Sony lovers will admit it. I can go on the PS3 forums on GT with little to no 360/Wii trolls. However on the 360 forum is an entirely different story. This site has a far more mature user base that has far less fanboy trolling. A place like GT, is the exact opposite.
General gaming on GT? to sum it up? is basicaly PC users owning PS3 trolls in most threads.
@sammo21: I called you an asshole because you respond with spite to everyone who has a different opinion from you. These people enjoy their service or find that it has value to them and you respond every time that they are either wrong or fanboys even though its all very subjective. So again I called you an asshole because you act as such instead of using something like polite conversation or having a debate while showing respect to the people you're debating with. What you did do was create a thread telling the people that enjoy MS's services are wrong and that anyone who has a reason to justify their purchase is a fanboys which invalidates your argument completely. You can't win an argument with insults. It just proves your immature regardless of you having a wife, kids, and a job. You treat others the way you want to be treated so if you act like an ass guess what most of the responses are gonna be like.
The thing is, we don't get online play for free on other platforms. We pay our ISPs.
That's not entirely accurate, let's not deceive ourselves. Whether it's Steam or Gamespy or someone else there is a middleman providing you with the functionality which allows you to play online. They just don't charge you for it, largely because most PC games rely on dedicated servers and those servers are paid for, at least in part, by users who choose to provide that convenience for themselves and others. Someone is paying for you to play.
As I've already stated, I would be cool with paying 60 bucks a year if we were getting dedicated (and preferably user-run) servers.
@YoungFrey: That is what I do actually, but that's called going around the system. Movie tickets are expensive but the fact I get in for free doesn't change what the price of movie tickets are.
@Hellstrom: Again I get dedicated servers for free on many games and the service is not noticeably different. I run a 30Mbps connection at my house and my PSN times are nothing what other people complain about (even someone on Giant Bomb said those remarks are a little unfounded once). Again, thats optional...nothing about playing online is optional on 360. Party chat side, the differences are near non existent. Unless you count army ads, car ads, doritos ads, and movie ads (all money to microsoft) as one of your sweet 360 deals.
Me and my friend both got DCUO for PS3. Because PS3's chat service is fucking atrocious, we had to switch to our 360 for voice communication. And that isn't an uncommon story. It happened alot from the month that I played. This doesn't bother you?
The thing is, we don't get online play for free on other platforms. We pay our ISPs.
That's not entirely accurate, let's not deceive ourselves. Whether it's Steam or Gamespy or someone else there is a middleman providing you with the functionality which allows you to play online. They just don't charge you for it, largely because most PC games rely on dedicated servers and those servers are paid for, at least in part, by users who choose to provide that convenience for themselves and others. Someone is paying for you to play.
As I've already stated, I would be cool with paying 60 bucks a year if we were getting dedicated (and preferably user-run) servers.
Yeah, fuck that. That's what customs are for. I don't wanna boot up Halo and only be able to find servers running Team Snipers or Infection. Dedicated, fine. User-run, no.
@SethPhotopoulos: I only respond with "spite" when I am called a fanboy or its insinuated that I "he sounds like a dude who's poor" or "man that dude sounds like he just wants to argue". I didn't say Microsoft's services are wrong but asking why don't people ask for more to change? Sorry you live for conformity and don't like those who question it. Then again calling me an asshole is a quick out and requires little effort.
Keep in mind also that a PS3 has always cost more than an X-Box with a year (at first 2 or 3 years) of XBL.
Yeah, but then for most of this gen the Xbox was kind of incomplete out of the box. The PS3 has always come with an HDD, Wifi (except the launch 20 GB), Rechargeable wireless controllers, free online and Blu-Ray. You don't NEED any of those things (except the HDD), but for most people the PS3 was a better deal on a feature-level.
@haggis: If that's your analogy, you really need to work on critical thinking. Car requires gas to run. My car in this analogy would be any of my systems. The gas, aka what I use to run with, is the internet. I pay for my 30Mbps connection to my ISP, aka the gas station.
Stauch XBL defenders remind me of launch console defenders. No matter what is said or evidence to the contrary its just "well...i just think its better".
Staunch XBL haters remind me of launch console defenders. No matter what is said or evidence to the contrary its just "well... i just don't think its better".
Oh, by the way, how is that PSN store working out for you? What with every game having a dem--oh. Wait...
@SethPhotopoulos: I only respond with "spite" when I am called a fanboy or its insinuated that I "he sounds like a dude who's poor" or "man that dude sounds like he just wants to argue". I didn't say Microsoft's services are wrong but asking why don't people ask for more to change? Sorry you live for conformity and don't like those who question it. Then again calling me an asshole is a quick out and requires little effort.
Thing is, the only thing that's ever gonna change is that PSN may start charging too. XBL won't ever go free because it's making them way more money than the 5 guys who are holding out would ever contribute.
@YoungFrey: That is what I do actually, but that's called going around the system. Movie tickets are expensive but the fact I get in for free doesn't change what the price of movie tickets are.
@Hellstrom: Again I get dedicated servers for free on many games and the service is not noticeably different. I run a 30Mbps connection at my house and my PSN times are nothing what other people complain about (even someone on Giant Bomb said those remarks are a little unfounded once). Again, thats optional...nothing about playing online is optional on 360. Party chat side, the differences are near non existent. Unless you count army ads, car ads, doritos ads, and movie ads (all money to microsoft) as one of your sweet 360 deals.
Me and my friend both got DCUO for PS3. Because PS3's chat service is fucking atrocious, we had to switch to our 360 for voice communication. And that isn't an uncommon story. It happened alot from the month that I played. This doesn't bother you?
You got DCUO on PS3 too?
Yeah it used to suck when the in game chat went down, because we basicaly couldn't communicate and had to use that atrocious in game chat. Had DCUO been on 360 this wouldn't have been an issue. We could have just invited the League into party chat and continue with our raid or w/e we were doing.
I think DCUO would have also worked better on 360 with its inviting everyone in party to league. Sometimes inviting people in your session can be a pain in DCUO on PS3.
The thing is, we don't get online play for free on other platforms. We pay our ISPs.
That's not entirely accurate, let's not deceive ourselves. Whether it's Steam or Gamespy or someone else there is a middleman providing you with the functionality which allows you to play online. They just don't charge you for it, largely because most PC games rely on dedicated servers and those servers are paid for, at least in part, by users who choose to provide that convenience for themselves and others. Someone is paying for you to play.
As I've already stated, I would be cool with paying 60 bucks a year if we were getting dedicated (and preferably user-run) servers.
Yeah, fuck that. That's what customs are for. I don't wanna boot up Halo and only be able to find servers running Team Snipers or Infection. Dedicated, fine. User-run, no.
A mix of both is best. Still, I play CS a lot and I rarely have difficulty finding populated servers running a nice mix of standard maps.
The thing is, we don't get online play for free on other platforms. We pay our ISPs.
That's not entirely accurate, let's not deceive ourselves. Whether it's Steam or Gamespy or someone else there is a middleman providing you with the functionality which allows you to play online. They just don't charge you for it, largely because most PC games rely on dedicated servers and those servers are paid for, at least in part, by users who choose to provide that convenience for themselves and others. Someone is paying for you to play.
As I've already stated, I would be cool with paying 60 bucks a year if we were getting dedicated (and preferably user-run) servers.
Yeah, fuck that. That's what customs are for. I don't wanna boot up Halo and only be able to find servers running Team Snipers or Infection. Dedicated, fine. User-run, no.
A mix of both is best. Still, I play CS a lot and I rarely have difficulty finding populated servers running a nice mix of standard maps.
I agree that it worked fine for Counter-Strike. I find a lot more annoying people on XBL than I ever encountered on CS though. It's 10 years later and a lot of douche bags have started gaming haha
@YoungFrey: That is what I do actually, but that's called going around the system. Movie tickets are expensive but the fact I get in for free doesn't change what the price of movie tickets are.
@Hellstrom: Again I get dedicated servers for free on many games and the service is not noticeably different. I run a 30Mbps connection at my house and my PSN times are nothing what other people complain about (even someone on Giant Bomb said those remarks are a little unfounded once). Again, thats optional...nothing about playing online is optional on 360. Party chat side, the differences are near non existent. Unless you count army ads, car ads, doritos ads, and movie ads (all money to microsoft) as one of your sweet 360 deals.
Me and my friend both got DCUO for PS3. Because PS3's chat service is fucking atrocious, we had to switch to our 360 for voice communication. And that isn't an uncommon story. It happened alot from the month that I played. This doesn't bother you?
You got DCUO on PS3 too? Yeah it used to suck when the in game chat went down, because we basicaly couldn't communicate and had to use that atrocious in game chat. Had DCUO been on 360 this wouldn't have been an issue. We could have just invited the League into party chat and continue with our raid or w/e we were doing. I think DCUO would have also worked better on 360 with its inviting everyone in party to league. Sometimes inviting people in your session can be a pain in DCUO on PS3.
I did. Played a Villain Nature Healer. Game was alright. Enjoyed my time with it. But Sony's chat / voice infrastructure made the experience of interacting with people pretty painful. I'm glad for a relatively quick confirmation to what I was talking about; We relied on our 360's for superior party chat for a PS3 "exclusive" (aside from PC). Yes, we could have used Skype on PC, but our 360s were right there.
LOL @ Console players arguing over which service is best. PC gamers have LOTS of services to choose from and lots of destinations to get demos, media, games and information and most of them are free.
@YoungFrey: That is what I do actually, but that's called going around the system. Movie tickets are expensive but the fact I get in for free doesn't change what the price of movie tickets are.
@Hellstrom: Again I get dedicated servers for free on many games and the service is not noticeably different. I run a 30Mbps connection at my house and my PSN times are nothing what other people complain about (even someone on Giant Bomb said those remarks are a little unfounded once). Again, thats optional...nothing about playing online is optional on 360. Party chat side, the differences are near non existent. Unless you count army ads, car ads, doritos ads, and movie ads (all money to microsoft) as one of your sweet 360 deals.
Me and my friend both got DCUO for PS3. Because PS3's chat service is fucking atrocious, we had to switch to our 360 for voice communication. And that isn't an uncommon story. It happened alot from the month that I played. This doesn't bother you?
You got DCUO on PS3 too? Yeah it used to suck when the in game chat went down, because we basicaly couldn't communicate and had to use that atrocious in game chat. Had DCUO been on 360 this wouldn't have been an issue. We could have just invited the League into party chat and continue with our raid or w/e we were doing. I think DCUO would have also worked better on 360 with its inviting everyone in party to league. Sometimes inviting people in your session can be a pain in DCUO on PS3.
I did. Played a Villain Nature Healer. Game was alright. Enjoyed my time with it. But Sony's chat / voice infrastructure made the experience of interacting with people pretty painful. I'm glad for a relatively quick confirmation to what I was talking about; We relied on our 360's for superior party chat for a PS3 "exclusive" (aside from PC). Yes, we could have used Skype on PC, but our 360s were right there.
I was a Villain on The Killing Joke server in the league Invictus, False Hopes., Ice Dps. Havn't gotten on it in a while since PSN went down with that hacking situation. I also noticed that they made the chat feature EVEN WORSE. The chat is now not only smaller, but you don't even have the option to view the full screen one like you used to before the update.
@SeriouslyNow: Everyone already knows PC is superior brah.
Azteck: I'll admit it, it's bullshit and paying sucks but in the end I don't really care 'cause I enjoy the service and when it comes down to it I don't really throw a ton of money on it per year so I'm satisfied. I don't defend it vigorously, but I won't go on a rampant craze talking about how bad it is either.
LOL @ Console players arguing over which service is best. PC gamers have LOTS of services to choose from and lots of destinations to get demos, media, games and information and most of them are free.
Based on my experiences with PSN, you get what you pay for with xbox live.
DING
Pay less than $10 a month for a quality, secure gaming experience. Or Pay nothing for a gaming experience that is decent at best, And so far from secure it's laughable.
Plain and simple you either like it or you don't, If you do then pay and enjoy it, If not then don't. It's really as simple as that.
@sammo21: I've owned an x-box for 4 years, purchased around 50 games, and have never paid for a gold account, so no complaints from me. Its actually nice to know that I'm not paying for features that I don't want from my xbox.
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