There's so much BS with Randy/Gearbox, I had completely missed the CodeHunters = Borderlands art style shenanigans, until yesterday when the Jimquistion did a Twitter run down on the AskRandy #tag.

@spaceinsomniac: Don't really see your issue regarding the comments over the lawsuit. They seem spot on.

Trusting developers/publishers is only ever a problem if you pre-order or buy games at launch. I rarely ever do, and when I have (like Batman recently) I almost always regret it.

Gearbox makes Borderlands.I like Borderlands. I buy the Borderlands games and play them when the mood strikes me.

That's pretty much it.

Trusting companies is not something anyone should do. I'll trust the products that get good reviews and appeal to me.

It's easy to forget that Gearbox employs/has employed A LOT of people over the years, some of them I'm sure are decent and trustworthy folk. There are a few narcissistic and untrustworthy individuals, sure, even some pulling the strings, but just remember that not everyone working for them or has spoken for them are elitist pricks.

I say let the products let themselves speak for themselves.

I only trust them with borderlands because its my favorite game series ever and i love all the games.I dont think they could make a bad borderlands game if they just follow the formula,so i trust them to make them good.Never really liked anything else they have done,so i wouldnt trust them for anything else.

Moreso than with most other devs, I wait a while after release to see if there's any issues.

They have released products of dubious quality in the past, as well as had E3 presentations that are not properly representative of the final game. Natural that some would not trust them anymore. Rockstar actually places higher on my dubious-o-meter for the stuff they pulled during the Steam sale to deny people the ability to refund. That's far worse than releasing a crappy game, at least in my opinion.

I still think that the lawsuit is ridiculous. I get that people got burned with Aliens and are pretty upset about it, but I think it's taking the whole thing a bit too far and shoveling off any responsibility on part of the consumer to not be suckered in by advertising and actually think about pre-ordering (unless I missed some major part of the case, it's mainly the pre-release demoes people are taking umbrage with right?). If anything, I'd be worried about the precedent set by a victory here.

I'm just going to copy exactly what MB said above, because it is truth:

"I don't "trust" developers. I take each game on its own merits and never preorder."

The only developer that has my trust is CDPR and even then I waited to see what the final verdict on TW3 was before I bought it.

That said Gearbox pulled a bunch of bullshit with Aliens to an unacceptable degree. The way they fabricated the E3 'vertical slices' means that literally anything they show to the media is untrustworthy. They might as well not advertise their games until after they release them.

I trust only a handful of devs and Gearbox was never one of them. Do I think they make good games, on average? No, and Aliens contributed to that opinion.

That is at least honest and logical. I like game + they make game = I buy game.

Not really, but mostly I don't trust Randy Pitchford, as I believe there are plenty of decent people working at the company and the Borderlands games have been free of issues so far. However, he appears to be a self-satisfied scumbag who should be silenced by the company's board of directors before he does more harm to its reputation.

mb hit it on the head that there is no point in "trusting" a developer - you should really do your own due diligence (research, look at reviews & videos) and not just blindly buy any game; but I absolutely do not take anything Randy "Pitch-man" Pitchford says at face value. His enthusiasm is only matched by his... sketchiness.

If they made a new Brothers in Arms game, I would buy it. I really enjoyed Road to Hill 30. Hell's Highway was a bit too dramatic for me. I'd rather play what is essentially a Band of Brothers video game than Metal Gear Solid-lite in Holland.

Trust? Yes.

Like? No

There are developers I give the benefit of the doubt and those I do not, that's about as much as I can say. Gearbox frankly isn't a developer I've ever cared about, one way or the other.

I seem to be very, very out of the ordinary though when it comes games though, being that I'm quite forgiving of the very same things that drive people into a shaking rage (performance, bugs, graphics). So yeah, I'm not a great barometer.

It's been quite awhile since they put out something good, the first Borderlands was good but looking back on it it was fairly simple, Unreal Engine maps linked together with loading screens, rpg skill trees and loot which at the time was in most things, the sequel was more of the same.
I really enjoyed BIA: Hell's Highway, they put a good looking wrapper onto that rewarding gameplay however the story was kind of a retread of previous games, and i liked Duke Nukem Forever in a simple dumb way, but everything else doesn't seem worth playing.

Only if we're talking about Broderbunds

I like Borderlands. I'll buy the next one if it's reasonably good. What more investment do I need with a company?

best practice indeed

Nothing wrong about condemning a blatantly lier dev thought

@spaceinsomniac: I know that, i was just foolin around :P

@ares42: was brothers in arms successful? The games were awesome and my favorite ww2 shooters ever released. Well hells highway wasn't as good but it was still decent. They just need to put out an amazing brothers in arms game again and I'll think they're not a shitty developer again.

@laserbolts: Can't say I have any numbers or anything, but from what I gather it seems like it was a decent franchise that probably sold less than it deserved.