I wouldn't mind her cleavage if she didn't look so young.

I think she fits the design of the game.

Looks like a normal lady to me. You're just a filthy pervert with a perverted mind.

@Jack268 said:

I think she fits the design of the game.

This. It fits with the art style and people are looking too far into (or at) things.

Some people seem to be taking this a bit too hard. It seriously bothers you to see a stylized woman in a video game? Really?

That said, the design does feel a little cheap. Everything about her is a way of saying "protect me". It's a bit overt for my liking, but hey, when have video games ever been about subtly.

It's very clearly a highly stylized world, it's steampunk to the extreme, which means over-the-top Victorian style fashions.

People serieusly stop youre nagging  about how big her breast are or the size of her eyes. why can't you all be happy about the game? i personnaly love the character. Also if they would tone elizabeth down or made her uglier then you would all be nagging about the fact she looks ugly. if you want some unrealistic breast, lets talk about tombraider then, i see nobody complaining about those. so my point is why should you all care about something like that? Are the people who are offended by that scared maybe that the would need to pauze the game to often to feel the need of masturbating or what?

Why don't we just email Ken Levine or the character designer, whoever that may be? I know it's unlikely we'll get an answer, but it's worth a shot.

1. Why is your grammar so bad?
2. Lara Croft's breasts have been discussed extensively, if you weren't aware. There'd be no reason to talk about that presently because the rebooted Lara from the newest Tomb Raider doesn't have an exaggerated chest.
3. There's no point in being blindly happy about a game while ignoring its shortcomings. I'm sure many of us who have a problem with this will enjoy the game regardless of this rather insignificant part of it.
4. Your last sentence (" Are the people who are offended by that scared maybe that the would need to pauze the game to often to feel the need of masturbating or what?") really devalues anything you say.

I don't think she's a sex object in the slightest meaning of the term. Bayonetta is a sex object, Lara Croft is a sex object. Elizabeth isn't there for her looks and sex appeal, she's an integral part of the story and gameplay.  
@damswedon said:

I'm sick and tired of people moaning over this. Learn what a fucking corset is, what it does and when it was in fashion. Then remember what time period the game is trying to do.

@Stopnnagging:  

1. Why is your grammar so bad?
2. Lara Croft's breasts have been discussed extensively, if you weren't aware. There'd be no reason to talk about that presently because the rebooted Lara from the newest Tomb Raider doesn't have an exaggerated chest.
3. There's no point in being blindly happy about a game while ignoring its shortcomings. I'm sure many of us who have a problem with this will enjoy the game regardless of this rather insignificant part of it.
4. Your last sentence (" Are the people who are offended by that scared maybe that the would need to pauze the game to often to feel the need of masturbating or what?") really devalues anything you say.

Have you seen outfits from that time period? 

3. So that's allready a shortcoming in youre book? you sir have some high standards   

why can't you all be happy about the game?

4. Why?  coming from one with an avatar of catherine (erotic-adventure videogame) 

Are the people who are offended by that scared maybe that the would need to pauze the game to often to feel the need of masturbating or what?

@AssInAss: She isn't...

I LOVE BOOBS.

Your statement makes it seem that everyone who takes issue with this are offended and are just bothered by it because they'll need to pause the game in order to masturbate. That's pretty fucking stupid  

Some parts are a bit much- big breasts, very little waist, the lips- but big eyes like that are something people have been using for near on a century now to make their characters seem more open and honest. You can immediately feel closer to her as the player because her eyes make her look much more inviting and friendly and emotive.

I think there might be some degree of splicing in the game as well, people trying to get more appealing and whatnot, so who's to say that didn't happen to her?

I don't really like her design, mostly because she always looks cross-eyed.

For starters, look up corsets. Second, the fact that you assume that the presence of a pretty lady is the equivalent of objectification says more about you than anything. 

@SoldierG654342 said:

For starters, look up corsets. Second, the fact that you assume that the presence of a pretty lady is the equivalent of objectification says more about you than anything.

Rather the presence of pretty ladies (often exclusively pretty ladies) in nearly every game involving humans says a lot about the industry.

And now you're implying that it's sexist to ask for a non-stereotypical character-design for a change?

And for my next trick I will pull controversy out of thin air!

@CptBedlam: There's a difference between asking for non-stereotypical character design and calling Elizabeth a sex object. Having a pretty lady in a video game is cliche, but unless she exists for the sole purpose of being sexual, she is not a sex object, as the thread's title states. To think that you can't have an attractive female without her being an empty sex fantasy implies a poorly adjusted mindset.

It's probably just to attract attention of male gamers, like the game didn't get enough of it without having a lead female character having huge tits..

@CptBedlam: There's a difference between asking for non-stereotypical character design and calling Elizabeth a sex object. Having a pretty lady in a video game is cliche, but unless she exists for the sole purpose of being sexual, she is not a sex object, as the thread's title states. To think that you can't have an attractive female without her being an empty sex fantasy implies a poorly adjusted mindset.

Your over-thinking it mate.

Actually fascinated by the character of Elizabeth, all mysterious and everything.

@Slaker117: It was just a provocative way of asking "why is her gender unnessecarily pronounced to a degree that rivals Soul Calibur or Dead or Alive games?"

Hot?

@CptBedlam: Then it was poorly phrased.

@Slaker117 said:

@CptBedlam: Then it was poorly phrased.

The title begs for attention just like Elizabeth's boobs. Mission accomplished.

Clearly women just shouldn't be portrayed in video games, ever.

@LiquidPrince said:

Hot?

Yes. Sex objects are hot.

Wha???? Boobs on videogames???? Outrageous!!!!!

For a character to have overt sexuality as a part of their personality and appearance, and for a character to be a sex object are two different things. If a character is almost entirely defined by their sexual appeal then they're a sex object, but if a character with a sexualized appearance or attitude shows a reasonable degree of human behaviour and emotion, then they're just a character who happens to have overt sexuality as part of their personality. I'm not saying that sexualisation of women isn't a serious issue in modern video games but how do we know Elizabeth is a sex object and not a well-rounded and interesting character who just also has large breasts and a corset? I mean there seems to be a lot of potential with her character, Irrational have a good track record with Bioshock characters and her dialogue in the trailers has seemed at least adequate. I understand that her appearance makes it harder for you to consider her a serious character but how about we hold out and see what kind of a character she really is before labelling her a sex object?

So what you're saying is that you're anti-boobs?

I feel bad for the large chested women of the world who are being oppressed by you people

I don't see the problem.  I think most girls would rather see other pretty girls than butt fugly ones... 

@Slaker117: It was just a provocative way of asking "why is her gender unnessecarily pronounced to a degree that rivals Soul Calibur or Dead or Alive games?"

"Why is Elizabeth a sex object?"

I like my sexy girls in games to be sexy so I have no problems with this. Say what you will about me.

Because Japan.
 
Oh wait.

I always thought she was a cool and interesting character. I do remember thinking that her breasts were unusually large when I first saw her, then I realized she was wearing a corset and it never bothered me again.

@Ragdrazi: A decent bit, but I honestly don't think "casual" games make women feel part of the same industry at all, because, really, they aren't... Casual games just give women yet another division. And honestly, I think a decent portion of the issue is just that women aren't into the same shit. Take out the huge tits swinging around like Jello filled hammocks, and exploitation of sexuality, and you still have a testosterone driven industry. Big guns, big cars, big explosions. While women can still enjoy these games, ultimately a game like Gears of War, which doesn't really use sex appeal at all, is still going to attract a far larger male audience then female audience. Even without pre-conceived notions and huge tits, women generally aren't into video games. Maybe a big part of that is their inability to interface in as abstract a way as using a joystick to look around, maybe it's the tits and the leggy women, but give a girl Half Life 2, which is relatively lacking in testosterone implants and in fact has one of the least exploited female characters a video game has ever seen, and she still won't jump on that like it's Bejewled 3, or even Portal 2. I mean, I want the objectification of women to stop in video games. I find these women with massive rotating tits to be frankly off-putting, and would much rather see characters like Alyx or the girl from Enslaved or Heavenly Sword. Attractive, yes. Exploited for sex? Hardly. That's not to say I don't get a kick out of things like the sex minigames in God of War, but that's more because A) it's so self aware and B) because it just fits that character.

Could it be that ladies just generally like different things than us men? Would you also say that Oxygen needs to put more gunfights and explosions in their movies about spouse abuse? There is a market for women gamers, but I don't think that women are going to just flood the industry as soon as tits go away and they feel more welcomed. I mean, I know plenty of girls who love games despite all the tits and violence and testosterone. Gamer girls are out there, but I don't think that number will grow much until we start making more serious but less shooty/hacky/slashy games. Games like Portal seem to be the sweet spot between Casual games and hardcore games that women will have a real interest in.

I am more concerned about my own feelings for the huge tits in games than for women, and I do very much hope that the industry mostly grows out of it (Japan, I'm fuckin lookin at you). A little maturity can go a long way alongside sexuality.

@CaLe said:

Looks like a normal lady to me. You're just a filthy pervert with a perverted mind.

This, mostly. I see her as a pretty lady, not a sexy lady.

@SlasherMan said:

@CptBedlam said:

@Slaker117: It was just a provocative way of asking "why is her gender unnessecarily pronounced to a degree that rivals Soul Calibur or Dead or Alive games?"

And you've just discredited yourself and invalidated every argument you've made thus far. If Elizabeth's appearance, to you, rivals the likes of Ivy's and Tina Armstrong's then surely that says quite a bit about you, doesn't it

Man am I sick of the "what does that say about you" comments. I tell you what it says: it says I know these games consist of more than the one girl with the biggest tits. Elizabeth's boobies are easily bigger than the boobs of most of Soul Caliburs female cast - even if they are not quite Ivy's size.

A little reminder for you, that's also SC: http://ui17.gamespot.com/368/taki01_2.jpg

I don't see the problem.  I think most girls would rather see other pretty girls than butt fugly ones... 

This is absolute nonsense.

@AssInAss: I'm more interested in why someone called "AssInAss" would find Elizabeth's looks disturbing.

@SlasherMan said:

@CptBedlam said:

@Slaker117: It was just a provocative way of asking "why is her gender unnessecarily pronounced to a degree that rivals Soul Calibur or Dead or Alive games?"

And you've just discredited yourself and invalidated every argument you've made thus far. If Elizabeth's appearance, to you, rivals the likes of Ivy's and Tina Armstrong's then surely that says quite a bit about you, doesn't it

Man am I sick of the "what does that say about you" comments. I tell you what it says: it says I know these games consist of more than the one girl with the biggest tits. Elizabeth's boobies are easily bigger than the boobs of most of Soul Caliburs female cast - even if they are not quite Ivy's size.

A little reminder for you, that's also SC: http://ui17.gamespot.com/368/taki01_2.jpg

I've heard the argument in favor of her... cleavage along the lines of "It's fits with the times." It's kind of lame, but I can appreciate it. I can deal with it.