Dark Souls Remastered

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#1 Posted by mefipulate (59 posts) -

Wow..... what a mess

Console scrubs probably love this version (rightfully so)

PC scrubs will be like "$20 patch" (rightfully so)

pros:
better lighting and sparkly stuff
6 player pvp
revived pvp playerbase
dedicated servers!!!!
|draw distance (omg valley of drakes you can totally see the drakes on the bridge even from a distance)
multiplayer healing items balanced
UI scaling option
original bugs, glitches, core gameplay, and feel largely intact


cons:
original bugs, glitches, core gameplay, and feel largely intact
$20 patch
framerate worse than dark souls 3
dedicated servers!!!!!!....... for matchmaking. after that it's still p2p. please enjoy your lagstabs!
game speed is now tied to framerate (drops in framerate slows the game instead of skipping frames)(ie: you're gonna die a lot to bullshit you can no longer predict)
random frame pauses during online/autosave synching
hacking is rampant, same old hacks/griefing works
merely connecting with a hacker can potentially get you softbanned
original "prepare to die" edition removed from steam storefront and can no longer be purchased (hopefully temporary)
no mods allowed
$20 patch

I think they missed a huge opportunity here to repackage and tweak Dark Souls for Current Year. It feels like a half assed port of a port that barely justifies the (ymmv) $20-$40 price tag. I think if you never played it before, or only on console, this release will seem great, but anyone else will probably be pretty bummed out. At least we can look forward to the re-release of Demon's Souls and be able to play it on PC in like 2 years? Yeah probably about 2 years.

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#2 Posted by Efesell (4565 posts) -

I'll be happy to (eventually) have it on PS4 but this sounds like a PC nightmare release.

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#3 Posted by mefipulate (59 posts) -

Just noticed the quick look is coming in 7 hours. Also the game was released a day early and call me crazy but has any video game been released early that wasn't at least a lukewarm mess?

seriously most movies that release early are hot garbage and get released early for a reason, and the only games i remember being released early were because street date was broken so they said fuck it, but do street dates even exist anymore for video games?

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#4 Posted by DTS (67 posts) -

Is the Remastered a better version of the game compared to Dark Souls: Prepare to Die?

Because if so, I'll pick it up. I've been looking for a reason to play through Dark Souls again.

If it's somehow a worse version... I guess I'll go through the hassle of doing dsfix and all that back on the Prepare to Die edition.

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#5 Posted by CreepingDeath0 (421 posts) -

@dts: It runs at a solid 60 constantly (apparently even in blighttown though I haven't got there yet myself), it's revitalised the player base, and I haven't personally encountered any bugs or crashes.

Its weird that all my complaints would be directed at how it looks. Lighting is downright odd in so many places. Lighter than it should be in dark areas and vice versa, weird blue highlights/edging on weapons and armour, and no real work done to textures.

If I didn't get the discount for owning Prepare to Die and didn't have enough steam wallet credit I couldn't see myself paying for this.

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#6 Posted by mefipulate (59 posts) -

@dts: I'd say if you're looking for an excuse, pick it up early while theres some crazy multiplayer to be had.

with dsfix, if you already own dark souls, it's literally pasting a file from a zip to your game directory, its hardly a "hassle", but maybe thats worth $20, or even $40. ymmv.

granted Remaster does more than just charge you $20 for dsfix, but with the removal of Prepare to Die edition from the Steam store, and the loss of mods (modding Remastered will get you softbanned), I guess thats a decision you... cant make anymore, and the amazing array of mods aren't available to you either and never will be. Unless they re-list PtDe or package it with Remastered (like sane people would)

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#8 Edited by handlas (3405 posts) -

@acidbrandon18: yaaaa... Lol. But also as much as I love the original Dark Souls it looks like this is a slimey cash grab... No thanks

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#9 Edited by Justin258 (15689 posts) -

I already have the Prepare to Die edition and have never had a problem with that one, outside of having to install DSFix and falling through the floor at that one ladder because I slid down it instead of climbed down it.

The coverage I've seen of this one has been entirely on consoles and there, it looks pretty great and seems to run very smoothly, but I don't really see myself buying it on one of those.

What I really want to see is the Switch version. Would be cool to play Dark Souls wherever I want to, but I'm not going to buy that one until I see how well it runs. It would also be fantastic if tapping the sleep button on the Switch actually paused the game without messing things up.

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#10 Posted by IVDAMKE (1824 posts) -

Thought I was on 4chan reading this OP.

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#11 Posted by CrazyBagMan (1670 posts) -

I never even considered getting it on PC. Can't rightfully imagine why anyone would. It's been great on console though!

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#12 Posted by JJWeatherman (15101 posts) -

You know you're in for a good one when the op begins their post calling everyone scrubs.

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#13 Edited by soulcake (2818 posts) -

I think the light model is worse imo. Also it would have being nice if they added some new items/gear or at least changed gear location.

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#14 Posted by dudeglove (13779 posts) -

Apparently the gravelord covenant straight up works as intended now?

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#15 Posted by Sahalarious (796 posts) -

I played a bit and its just DSfix essentially, what blew my mind is they got rid of the ladder sliding, the one thing that messed up the DSfix, so they're not really doing any work here. I had to mod my game to run, and now i have to pay for it to run with a slight graphical upgrade? Reaaaally rubbed me the wrong way as a massive DS fan.

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#16 Posted by VoshiNova (2412 posts) -

You know you're in for a good one when the op begins their post calling everyone scrubs.

Yeah. The word "scrub" in regards to people is dumb enough, but applying it as a derogative term for a sub-set of people that enjoy the same thing as you in a different manner is absolutely stupid.

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#17 Posted by Ravelle (3319 posts) -

I played about an hour on PC and encountered no issues, ran and looked perfectly fine for me.

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#18 Posted by VikingRk (115 posts) -

@jjweatherman said:

You know you're in for a good one when the op begins their post calling everyone scrubs.

Yeah. The word "scrub" in regards to people is dumb enough, but applying it as a derogative term for a sub-set of people that enjoy the same thing as you in a different manner is absolutely stupid.

Seems ironic, clearly.

draw distance (omg valley of drakes you can totally see the drakes on the bridge even from a distance)

I've been looking for a video showing off the draw distance but youtube is flooded with playthroughs. Would anyone be able to point me toward one?

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#19 Posted by VoshiNova (2412 posts) -

Sorry if that post reads to rude, I just really don't like the phrase.

Everything about the DS remaster seems underwhelming, but I hold hope for the Switch ports performance - cause I just want to play it in bed/on the toilet.

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#20 Posted by mrbubbles (1479 posts) -

I"m playing this on the PC and I"m having a bug that I've never had before with the original where my controller will stop working at random points. When it happens the controller still works in other games but not DSR.

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#21 Edited by IVDAMKE (1824 posts) -

@gtb08: Ladder sliding is still in you just need to stop and hold circle.

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#22 Posted by Humanity (18945 posts) -

@efesell: it’s so mind boggling that after a botched original port, they had community members come in and fix the game for them, and now years later they STILL release an inferior product.

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#23 Posted by lovcol (67 posts) -

So they should remake the entire game so people who already played it can have a "fresh" experience? Sounds asking a bit much...

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#24 Posted by EvilMonkeySlayer (31 posts) -

Is this a yay or nay buy on the pc?

I own the original on pc and only played a bit, I figure I could play it at 4k (GTX 1060 can prob handle that) and get it cheap because I own the prepare to die edition. I was always anxious when using dsfix that it'd break something.

Only soulsborne game I've completed was Bloodborne, I just sort of fell off Dark Souls 3 although I did get pretty far.

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#25 Posted by Humanity (18945 posts) -

@evilmonkeyslayer: DS3 is probably the best Dark Souls game. I’ve heard parts of the DLC aren’t half bad either.

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#26 Posted by EvilMonkeySlayer (31 posts) -

@humanity: I guess because I played DS3 after BB I played DS3 quite a bit like Bloodborne, I really liked that faster pace and more aggressive play of it. And I think it's why I gradually just stopped playing DS3 as you just can't consistently play it like BB.

Bloodborne has forever spoiled me.

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#27 Posted by Dave_Tacitus (2507 posts) -

@evilmonkeyslayer: To parrot something I said on the QL comments, if you're after Dark Souls at 60fps with no hassle or bugs then pick up the remaster. Otherwise, I actually think a DSFix'd game rendering at 4k (with no other mods) looks better, but I've not done any side by side comparisons yet.

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#28 Posted by Humanity (18945 posts) -

@evilmonkeyslayer: can’t blame you. I’ve played all the Douls games and beat them all and I think Bloodborne is my favorite. The art design is just spectacular and the smaller weapon variety surprisingly sort of helped me concentrate on just playing the game instead of worrying about roll speed, weight or whatever.

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#29 Posted by ghost_cat (2303 posts) -

I just curious if there are any secrets that have been snuck into this remastered edition.

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#30 Posted by SethMode (2053 posts) -

So, just to start off, I love this game. So much. I am happy to pay for it again with a better framerate on the Xbox One X just because I like it that much and playing the old version with that busted ass framerate sucks.

Having said that, I don't read much about this game. Is the internet in agreement that Blighttown even with a good framerate is just bad? Like, it's just BAD level design. It's confusing in a not good way with bad enemies and poison and it's just kind of all of the things about souls games that are frustrating and not fun. I have played this game enough to know where I need to go but no enough (apparently) to still not get lost and then tripped up in the geometry and die. It's fucking irritating for a game that otherwise I adore. I feel like I always gloss over this part of my adulation because it ends up being a relative blip on the radar but in the moment, woof.

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#31 Posted by Cramsy (1292 posts) -

Ps4 scrub here. Can't wait to re-play this!

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#32 Posted by ArbitraryWater (15746 posts) -
@sethmode said:

Having said that, I don't read much about this game. Is the internet in agreement that Blighttown even with a good framerate is just bad? Like, it's just BAD level design. It's confusing in a not good way with bad enemies and poison and it's just kind of all of the things about souls games that are frustrating and not fun. I have played this game enough to know where I need to go but no enough (apparently) to still not get lost and then tripped up in the geometry and die. It's fucking irritating for a game that otherwise I adore. I feel like I always gloss over this part of my adulation because it ends up being a relative blip on the radar but in the moment, woof.

Nah, Blighttown is still terrible even at a pristine 60 frames-per-second. Certainly, all of the other souls games have their own take on the "Hey, there's poison and shit everywhere" area, but I still think it's the worst between those assholes with the toxic darts, the part where a misplaced roll is instant death, or how intolerable the swamp section is if you didn't get the rusted iron ring.

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#33 Posted by SethMode (2053 posts) -

@sethmode said:

Having said that, I don't read much about this game. Is the internet in agreement that Blighttown even with a good framerate is just bad? Like, it's just BAD level design. It's confusing in a not good way with bad enemies and poison and it's just kind of all of the things about souls games that are frustrating and not fun. I have played this game enough to know where I need to go but no enough (apparently) to still not get lost and then tripped up in the geometry and die. It's fucking irritating for a game that otherwise I adore. I feel like I always gloss over this part of my adulation because it ends up being a relative blip on the radar but in the moment, woof.

Nah, Blighttown is still terrible even at a pristine 60 frames-per-second. Certainly, all of the other souls games have their own take on the "Hey, there's poison and shit everywhere" area, but I still think it's the worst between those assholes with the toxic darts, the part where a misplaced roll is instant death, or how intolerable the swamp section is if you didn't get the rusted iron ring.

Okay so I'm not crazy! Thanks, friend. Not that I was exactly seeing anything saying "I LOVE BLIGHTTOWN" or anything, but still. At the time, most of the complaints (that I saw at the time) were about the framerate (warranted) and not about everything else (hell, again, I didn't even notice these myself until playing through on PC with DSfix later).

I finally got out of a huge mess I was in which inspired me to post this in the first place. I just fucking hate that place.

Someday I'm going to go back to DS2. I can't remember that game's terrible poison area. I can remember the rest of them.

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#34 Posted by Ares42 (4366 posts) -

Booting this up and playing it for a bit was a really strange experience for me. I dunno if it's something special about this version, but I replayed it on Xbox BC last year and had no issues with it. However playing this is the first time I got an overwhelming "this contemporary game is actually really old, isn't it?" sensation. It just really felt like I was playing an outdated old gen game. Maybe it's the 60 FPS that does it, I dunno, but there's something strange going on.

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#35 Posted by soulcake (2818 posts) -
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#36 Posted by OurSin_360 (6197 posts) -

How is the mod scene on pc?

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#37 Posted by soulcake (2818 posts) -

@oursin_360: You get banned from using mods ATM or there reports of people getting banned. With the Remastered version.

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#38 Posted by OurSin_360 (6197 posts) -

@soulcake said:

@oursin_360: You get banned from using mods ATM or there reports of people getting banned. With the Remastered version.

smh, oh well no point in getting this then. Thanks for info.

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#39 Posted by RubberBabyBuggyBumpers (1007 posts) -

@soulcake said:

@oursin_360: You get banned from using mods ATM or there reports of people getting banned. With the Remastered version.

smh, oh well no point in getting this then. Thanks for info.

Just stick with the old community patched version with DSfix and other mods. There's really no reason to buy the remastered version on the PC.

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#40 Edited by EvilMonkeySlayer (31 posts) -

@rubberbabybuggybumpers said:
@oursin_360 said:
@soulcake said:

@oursin_360: You get banned from using mods ATM or there reports of people getting banned. With the Remastered version.

smh, oh well no point in getting this then. Thanks for info.

Just stick with the old community patched version with DSfix and other mods. There's really no reason to buy the remastered version on the PC.

Is there any comparison video out there which compares the remastered version to the dsfix version?

EDIT: Ah, yep.. Found a PS4 Pro vs DSFix comparison video.

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#41 Posted by OurSin_360 (6197 posts) -

@oursin_360 said:
@soulcake said:

@oursin_360: You get banned from using mods ATM or there reports of people getting banned. With the Remastered version.

smh, oh well no point in getting this then. Thanks for info.

Just stick with the old community patched version with DSfix and other mods. There's really no reason to buy the remastered version on the PC.

If i could get the texture packs with 4k at stable 60 I would probably be tempted, but knowing that mods aren't allowed kinda kills it for me.

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#42 Posted by mmarsu (613 posts) -

Playing it on PC.. Im really enjoying it and getting a stable 60 at 1440p

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#43 Posted by RubberBabyBuggyBumpers (1007 posts) -

@rubberbabybuggybumpers said:
@oursin_360 said:
@soulcake said:

@oursin_360: You get banned from using mods ATM or there reports of people getting banned. With the Remastered version.

smh, oh well no point in getting this then. Thanks for info.

Just stick with the old community patched version with DSfix and other mods. There's really no reason to buy the remastered version on the PC.

If i could get the texture packs with 4k at stable 60 I would probably be tempted, but knowing that mods aren't allowed kinda kills it for me.

I just got done with a session of the DSfix version of the game. Having jumped up to 4K a month ago, my eyes were kind of straining with the old HD texture mods. If the modding community can get some 4K texture packs going, that'd be real great.

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#44 Posted by OurSin_360 (6197 posts) -

@oursin_360 said:
@rubberbabybuggybumpers said:
@oursin_360 said:
@soulcake said:

@oursin_360: You get banned from using mods ATM or there reports of people getting banned. With the Remastered version.

smh, oh well no point in getting this then. Thanks for info.

Just stick with the old community patched version with DSfix and other mods. There's really no reason to buy the remastered version on the PC.

If i could get the texture packs with 4k at stable 60 I would probably be tempted, but knowing that mods aren't allowed kinda kills it for me.

I just got done with a session of the DSfix version of the game. Having jumped up to 4K a month ago, my eyes were kind of straining with the old HD texture mods. If the modding community can get some 4K texture packs going, that'd be real great.

I played in 4k dsr a few years ago and it looked incredible, don't know exactly what textures i used though.

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#45 Edited by SethMode (2053 posts) -

Reading this shit about the PC version is quite literally blowing my mind. How did they somehow fuck up WORSE than last time?

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#46 Edited by EvilMonkeySlayer (31 posts) -

@sethmode said:

Reading this shit about the PC version is quite literally blowing my mind. How did they somehow fuck up WORSE than last time?

That's probably a bit excessive, as vanilla Dark Souls on pc you are limited to something like 1024x720 which was horrendous.

EDIT: Also, 30fps. DSFix is magic.

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#47 Posted by RubberBabyBuggyBumpers (1007 posts) -

The only real positive thing I can say about the remastered version is how Gravelording has become a thing yet again, and more responsive compared to the old days where you often wondered if it was working as intended. I did buy the remastered version for the PS4, but prefer the DSfix version on Steam.

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#48 Posted by Cheetoman (525 posts) -

100% this game will hit $20 before black friday. This and Burnout remaster are not worth $40 just to play on new consoles.

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#49 Posted by Shindig (4963 posts) -

I enjoyed it. The new paint wears off pretty quickly but I'm loving the community boost.

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#50 Posted by EvilMonkeySlayer (31 posts) -

@shindig said:

I enjoyed it. The new paint wears off pretty quickly but I'm loving the community boost.

I've heard there is some problem with hackers or something? That true?