Games you knew would be bad

So when I first read about the changes being made to Ninja Gaiden 3 my initial reaction was that the game would probably be bad. They were taking away the complexity of the combat, the difficulty, and some of the upgrades in favor of a dumbed down game to appeal more to the masses. Well as we all know the game that came out was just a bad game that neither old fans or potential new fans would like.

This got me thinking, what games did you know would be bad just by reading/watching some of the coverage of it?

Before you name the game please limit it to games that are actually bad and not games you dislike. Every time I see GTA, MGS4, Mass Effect 2, to name a few, listed as bad games I just want to strangle that person. JUST BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T LIKE IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S BAD.

I guess Duke Nukem Forever is a safe bet.

Mass effect 2, GTA, and MGS4 to name a few

@jking47 said:

Mass effect 2, GTA, and MGS4 to name a few

he troll!

Dragon Age 2. My love of Origins let me hold out hope until I got it in my hands, but from the first time I saw how they butchered that games combat and skill tree I knew it was going to be terrible beyond belief. Sadly I was correct.

That game that Jeff gave a negative score. The one that takes place on a floating man-made arch with two factions fighting eachother on multiplayer maps. The one with the parcour.

Damn, I've actually forgotten its name, but that looked like shit to me from the start.

@S0ndor said:

That game that Jeff gave a negative score. The one that takes place on a floating man-made arch with two factions fighting eachother on multiplayer maps. The one with the parcour.

Damn, I've actually forgotten its name, but that looked like shit to me from the start.

Brink

Command & Conquer 4, Dragon Age 2 and probably a few others I can't remember.

Mass Effect 3

@pyrodactyl said:

@S0ndor said:

That game that Jeff gave a negative score. The one that takes place on a floating man-made arch with two factions fighting eachother on multiplayer maps. The one with the parcour.

Damn, I've actually forgotten its name, but that looked like shit to me from the start.

Brink

Yes, thank you. Shows just how forgettable it was for me, I guess.

Brink. I had high hopes for that game at first but the second game-play started being released and they delayed it I knew it was going to fail.

Basically any game that has went from pc focused to console lead focus.

Fear 2. Dragon Age 2. Crysis 2. Bioshock. Syndicate. Whenever a game I like (pc game) becames console focused, I avoid it like the plague. At best it's a steam sale.

This thread topic is inherently subjective.

Before you name the game please limit it to games that are actually bad and not games you dislike. Every time I see GTA, MGS4, Mass Effect 2, to name a few, listed as bad games I just want to strangle that person. JUST BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T LIKE IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S BAD.

Brink.

@mikey87144 said:

JUST BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T LIKE IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S BAD.

Actually...

There's no such thing as an objectively good game because what I enjoy might not be what you enjoy. You can argue all day long about why such and such is a great game in your eyes, but it doesn't mean that I'm going to give a fuck.

I don't have an on topic answer.

EDIT: I have given a response to the "but some games really are objectively good" argument. It is on the second page. I have yet to see anyone refute me there - if you wish to further argue this point, read that first and quote it.

Idk, rouge warrior?

Basically any game that has went from pc focused to console lead focus.

Fear 2. Dragon Age 2. Crysis 2. Bioshock. Syndicate.

@believer258 said:

@mikey87144 said:

JUST BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T LIKE IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S BAD.

Actually...

There's no such thing as an objectively good game because what I enjoy might not be what you enjoy. You can argue all day long about why such and such is a great game in your eyes, but it doesn't mean that I'm going to give a fuck.

I don't have an on topic answer.

You can enjoy something that's bad. Think about all the bad movies you've probably seen. Also even if there is a lot of subjectivity to whether you like something or not you can still come to a reasonable conclusion of whether it's actually good or bad. One of my favorite movies of all time is Texas Chain Saw Massacre New Beginnings. It's one of the worst movies I've ever seen yet I own it on VHS and DVD.

@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:

Basically any game that has went from pc focused to console lead focus.

Fear 2. Dragon Age 2. Crysis 2. Bioshock. Syndicate. Whenever a game I like (pc game) becames console focused, I avoid it like the plague. At best it's a steam sale.

Hey.... I really liked FEAR 2 on PC. It was FAR from being as good as the original, but it was a very good shooter.

I would have to say Resident Evil: Operation Raccoon City. I didn't play it, but it is getting horrible reviews. I called that shit the moment I saw Slant Six was behind it. It's to bad too, that game could of been neat.

Mario Party 9.

@pyrodactyl said:

@S0ndor said:

That game that Jeff gave a negative score. The one that takes place on a floating man-made arch with two factions fighting eachother on multiplayer maps. The one with the parcour.

Damn, I've actually forgotten its name, but that looked like shit to me from the start.

Brink

That. I remember being so perplexed at why people were excited for that game.

Final Fantasy XIII-2.

Well, the dialogue/voice acting and characters anyway. Gameplay is fine as it is. So it's not really bad, just mediocre in my eyes.

Also:

@Centimani said:

Mario Party 9.

Dragon Age 2, but only after I played the demo

Postal 3.

@mikey87144 said:

@believer258 said:

@mikey87144 said:

JUST BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T LIKE IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S BAD.

Actually...

There's no such thing as an objectively good game because what I enjoy might not be what you enjoy. You can argue all day long about why such and such is a great game in your eyes, but it doesn't mean that I'm going to give a fuck.

I don't have an on topic answer.

You can enjoy something that's bad. Think about all the bad movies you've probably seen. Also even if there is a lot of subjectivity to whether you like something or not you can still come to a reasonable conclusion of whether it's actually good or bad. One of my favorite movies of all time is Texas Chain Saw Massacre New Beginnings. It's one of the worst movies I've ever seen yet I own it on VHS and DVD.

You're talking about from a critical perspective. Yeah, I guess there's a middle ground here, but it's quite a broad middle ground. I could say that Far Cry 2 sucks but many people would disagree with me. In fact, the middle ground is so broad as to be almost irrelevant, except in very obvious cases like yours. And even then, how do you objectively prove what's good and what isn't? How could you objectively prove that Skyrim is a good game when it's got so many bugs, the game is really easy to break as far as difficulty goes, the combat consists of mashing the left and right triggers to flail a sword around or throw some spells, etc.? I love Skyrim but I wouldn't ever say it's objectively good because something can't be totally objectively good. Even Portal 2 has the complaint that it's short and there's no replay value, and your Texas Chainsaw movie could be said to have a redeeming value in how bad it is.

Thereare evena number ofdifferent tropes for this.

Well I will be playing Ninja Gaiden 3 and Operation Raccoon City this week, and I know they will be bad.

@believer258 said:

@mikey87144 said:

@believer258 said:

@mikey87144 said:

JUST BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T LIKE IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S BAD.

Actually...

There's no such thing as an objectively good game because what I enjoy might not be what you enjoy. You can argue all day long about why such and such is a great game in your eyes, but it doesn't mean that I'm going to give a fuck.

I don't have an on topic answer.

You can enjoy something that's bad. Think about all the bad movies you've probably seen. Also even if there is a lot of subjectivity to whether you like something or not you can still come to a reasonable conclusion of whether it's actually good or bad. One of my favorite movies of all time is Texas Chain Saw Massacre New Beginnings. It's one of the worst movies I've ever seen yet I own it on VHS and DVD.

You're talking about from a critical perspective. Yeah, I guess there's a middle ground here, but it's quite a broad middle ground. I could say that Far Cry 2 sucks but many people would disagree with me. In fact, the middle ground is so broad as to be almost irrelevant, except in very obvious cases like yours. And even then, how do you objectively prove what's good and what isn't? How could you objectively prove that Skyrim is a good game when it's got so many bugs, the game is really easy to break as far as difficulty goes, the combat consists of mashing the left and right triggers to flail a sword around or throw some spells, etc.? I love Skyrim but I wouldn't ever say it's objectively good because something can't be totally objectively good. Even Portal 2 has the complaint that it's short and there's no replay value, and your Texas Chainsaw movie could be said to have a redeeming value in how bad it is.

Thereare evena number ofdifferent tropes for this.

Basically, this. All someone would have to do is answer Deadly Premonition and the whole thing would blow the fuck up. A divisive game if I've ever seen one, regardless of it's popularity here on GB because of the ERs.

Ratchet and Clank: All 4 One

Need For Speed: The Run

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 :P

@mikey87144 said:

One of my favorite movies of all time is Texas Chain Saw Massacre New Beginnings. It's one of the worst movies I've ever seen yet I own it on VHS and DVD.

Dude, you don't even know the name of one of your all time favourite films? Lame. Kudos for liking that one though, an alien-Matthew McConaughey hanging around with a transvestite Leatherface is fokin' money.

On topic, I'd say Metroid: Other M. I knew from the first cutscene I saw online that they were taking this down the entirely wrong path.

Condemned 2, still I went there anyway.

RE: Operation Raccoon City.

Brink, I had a lot of friends that were pumped for the game but it seemed like a likely flop to me throughout the design cycle. When it came out my friends felt so bad with their purchase they all traded it in within the first week.

@Jasta said:

Condemned 2, still I went there anyway.

You take that back - that was an awesome game that goes batshit crazy in the end. Nothing wrong there. You fight a crazy super-grizzly.

Dragon Age 2

Which I bought it anyway. :(

Should I be ashamed for liking Ninja Gaiden 3 as much as 2?

SWTOR

Duke Nukem's a safe bet...Need for Speed: The Run seemed pretty bad right off the bat as well.

@believer258 said:

@mikey87144 said:

JUST BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T LIKE IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S BAD.

Actually...

There's no such thing as an objectively good game because what I enjoy might not be what you enjoy. You can argue all day long about why such and such is a great game in your eyes, but it doesn't mean that I'm going to give a fuck.

I don't have an on topic answer.

True, but I think you could make an argument that there are objectively well done qualities in a game. I think there is a certain degree of objectivity at the foundation of what makes a game fun or not, and even though you might not like a game doesn't necessarily mean it's bad on those objective grounds. I hated FFXIII subjectively, but objectively is was a very well put together game that just wasn't for me. Similarly, there used to be a guy on these boards who swore that Dragon Age 2 was the worst game ever made. Now I know a lot of people didn't like Dragon Age 2, or were disappointed by it (hell, I was), but I think most sane people can objectively agree that it is not the worst game ever made. Or maybe I'll get flamed for that and your point will be proven...who knows?

As to the topic, I usually try not to look down on game too much until I play them, but NeverDead always looked pretty rough to me.

RE: Operation Raccoon City, based on the history of the developer.

• Force Unleashed 2
• Resident Evil 5
• Silent Hill Homecomming
• the xbl and psn version of Castlevania

Do you mean a game that you knew was going to be bad and purchased? or a game you just knew was going to be bad? I could compile a very long list of the latter.

@mazik765 said:

@believer258 said:

@mikey87144 said:

JUST BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T LIKE IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S BAD.

Actually...

There's no such thing as an objectively good game because what I enjoy might not be what you enjoy. You can argue all day long about why such and such is a great game in your eyes, but it doesn't mean that I'm going to give a fuck.

I don't have an on topic answer.

True, but I think you could make an argument that there are objectively well done qualities in a game. I think there is a certain degree of objectivity at the foundation of what makes a game fun or not, and even though you might not like a game doesn't necessarily mean it's bad on those objective grounds. I hated FFXIII subjectively, but objectively is was a very well put together game that just wasn't for me. Similarly, there used to be a guy on these boards who swore that Dragon Age 2 was the worst game ever made. Now I know a lot of people didn't like Dragon Age 2, or were disappointed by it (hell, I was), but I think most sane people can objectively agree that it is not the worst game ever made. Or maybe I'll get flamed for that and your point will be proven...who knows?

As to the topic, I usually try not to look down on game too much until I play them, but NeverDead always looked pretty rough to me.

I've already seen this argument and already written my own response to it, quoted below:

@believer258 said:

@mikey87144 said:

@believer258 said:

@mikey87144 said:

JUST BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T LIKE IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S BAD.

Actually...

There's no such thing as an objectively good game because what I enjoy might not be what you enjoy. You can argue all day long about why such and such is a great game in your eyes, but it doesn't mean that I'm going to give a fuck.

I don't have an on topic answer.

You can enjoy something that's bad. Think about all the bad movies you've probably seen. Also even if there is a lot of subjectivity to whether you like something or not you can still come to a reasonable conclusion of whether it's actually good or bad. One of my favorite movies of all time is Texas Chain Saw Massacre New Beginnings. It's one of the worst movies I've ever seen yet I own it on VHS and DVD.

You're talking about from a critical perspective. Yeah, I guess there's a middle ground here, but it's quite a broad middle ground. I could say that Far Cry 2 sucks but many people would disagree with me. In fact, the middle ground is so broad as to be almost irrelevant, except in very obvious cases like yours. And even then, how do you objectively prove what's good and what isn't? How could you objectively prove that Skyrim is a good game when it's got so many bugs, the game is really easy to break as far as difficulty goes, the combat consists of mashing the left and right triggers to flail a sword around or throw some spells, etc.? I love Skyrim but I wouldn't ever say it's objectively good because something can't be totally objectively good. Even Portal 2 has the complaint that it's short and there's no replay value, and your Texas Chainsaw movie could be said to have a redeeming value in how bad it is.

Thereare evena number ofdifferent tropes for this.

• Ninja Gaiden 3 - For obvious reasons
• Hunted: The Demon's Forge - Because it sounded like a cool concept, but no one was talking about it
• Crysis 2 - Because the writer was ragging on Halo and boasting about how Crysis 2 would blow it away
• Brutal Legend - Because they kept the RTS shit a secret until 2 months before release
• Fable 3 - Because Fable 2 was terrible and things only get worse after the sequel
• Final Fantasy 13 & 13-2 - I still had a sliver of hope for 13, but I knew in my heart they would fumble and fuck it up

Can't say I have ever thought that, doubts yes, "knew", no. I have always given games a chance rather than judging them based on speculation, there's always a chance it could be a hidden gem.

When my friend told me "Hey check out this new game i'm renting... it's called Viking, it's really cool!" i knew right off that bat it was gonna be a terrible game... and i was right! Also when this same friend said "Hey, check out this new game i'm renting.... it's called Sacred 2 and is JUST LIKE DRAGON AGE" i had a feeling this was going to be a special kind of bad. We booted it up and even the intro cinematic made me cringe like there was no tomorrow.

@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:

Fear 2. Crysis 2. Bioshock. Syndicate. Whenever a game I like (pc game) becames console focused, I avoid it like the plague. At best it's a steam sale.

Stop it. As OP said, you not liking something does not mean it is bad. It's a sure-fire way to sound like an asshole, though.

@Donkeycow said:

When my friend told me "Hey check out this new game i'm renting... it's called Viking, it's really cool!" i knew right off that bat it was gonna be a terrible game... and i was right!

I actually think Viking was very underrated *shrug*. Actually a good modern take on the beat em up, which no one really tries to do well. (if they do, it's more of just a bad God of War). Also, it has fucking vikings, so that's only a good thing.

@Stephen_Von_Cloud: I'll admit the combat felt alright but became quickly repetitive after 10 minutes or so. Everything else about it in my opinion was just off putting and bad.

Resident Evil: Operation Raccoon City.

It looked like a half life mod. and it still kind of does.