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Posted by liquiddragon (1699 posts) 1 month, 5 days ago

Poll: Ok, we have to freaking figure this out - where does the subtitle option belong? (1192 votes)

Settings > Gameplay > Subtitles 3%
Settings > Graphics > Subtitles 0%
Settings > Display > Subtitles 23%
Settings > Sound > Subtitles 49%
Settings > Language > Subtitles 11%
Settings > Subtitles 12%
Don't use subtitles > SOLVED 1%

This has become a long running joke in many pockets of the gaming community but seriously, can we please just decide on this shit. I use subtitles and they are always off has a default and I have to hunt it down every game I start. Games have standardized so many things yet it seems we will never be able agree on this simply thing.

Weigh-in on this critical and important issue!!

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#1 Edited by Sin4profit (3411 posts) -

As a checkbox on the menu page.

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#2 Posted by takayamasama (1405 posts) -

Easily Settings > Display > Subtitles.

I feel this because you are looking to Display the subtitles. I understand why people would want it under language, but language to me is toggling foreign languages. I don't believe it goes in sound at all since it's not sound.

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#3 Posted by sammo21 (5294 posts) -

I think it should be in under gameplay, personally.

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#4 Posted by Capum15 (5699 posts) -

As a checkbox on the menu page.

The simplest answer.

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#5 Posted by MezZa (2680 posts) -

Language or Sound

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#6 Posted by dudeglove (12579 posts) -

As someone who has born witness to development of all sorts of software, I can tell you that it's mostly because people leave menus until the absolute last minute.

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#7 Posted by ZolRoyce (1621 posts) -

Devs who put it under gameplay are literal monsters.
I always check sound first because to me it's a replacement for sound. It's writing the sounds of the game for you.
Language isn't too bad depending, some games let you have audio be one language, text another language and subtitles a third language, so I think it fits that area sometimes. I have zero fault with peoples logic of putting it under display, I just think it fits better under sound so I check there first.

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#8 Posted by redyoshi (1285 posts) -

I would prefer for them to just ask me when I start a new game. Aside from that, under sound settings is the first place I check.

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#10 Posted by paulmako (1688 posts) -

Just put it in sound. It's where you would adjust in game voice volume anyway.

I also really don't think it's a huge deal having to back out of one menu and into the other if you look in the wrong place.

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#11 Posted by myketuna (1881 posts) -

I'd say either Sound or Display. Reason for Sound is sometimes I'll turn down a game if I want to chat with friends or listen to music and I'd like the subtitle option to be there so I can turn them on as I turn the sound down. Which is technically what subtitles are for, aren't they? For people that maybe can't hear at all or have hearing impairments which is related to Sound more than Display.

Display also makes some sense, but settings in this section usually are about brightness and resolution, etc. which doesn't really scream "subtitles" to me. Even if subtitles are "displayed" on screen.

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#12 Posted by FlashFlood_29 (3425 posts) -

100% sound. Get outta here with any of that other ish.

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#13 Posted by liquiddragon (1699 posts) -

@sin4profit: While I would like that very much, it just opens the floodgates for weirdos like the inverted nutbags to start demanding the same right, which would be utter chaos.

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#14 Posted by imhungry (624 posts) -

I absolutely love how clearly the first 3 posts illustrate issue. On topic though it really has to be under sound.

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#15 Posted by Zevvion (5217 posts) -

The perfect solution is Settings > Subtitles. Have it be its own thing from now on.

However, saying it should be anywhere other than Display is just wrong.

Sound
Do you want to hear the subtitles? No.

Gameplay
Increase game difficulty by removing subtitles? No.

Language
What language do you want? English, French, German or Subtitles? No.

Display
Do you want to display the subtitles? Yes.

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#16 Posted by Glots (2869 posts) -

Audio/Sound, anything else is just pure nonsense!

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#17 Posted by Brendan (9040 posts) -

Settings - Sound - Subtitles

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#18 Posted by Jesus_Phish (3167 posts) -

I clicked the wrong option but it's this one.

@brendan said:

Settings - Sound - Subtitles

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#19 Edited by dr_monocle (347 posts) -

I voted for language because it has to do with a displayed language, but I can see a case for a few of these.

That's probably why there is no consensus on this. Maybe it will forever be in limbo.

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#20 Posted by DoubleSpy (140 posts) -

Hitman (2016) did it right. It's own option in the menu. No confusion

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#21 Posted by LawGamer (1302 posts) -

Just make it its own option on the menu like HITMAN.

And they should always be on by default.

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#22 Posted by void (171 posts) -

Who says a setting can only occur once? Put it in all of the above.

(But really: Settings -> Subtitles)

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#23 Posted by GERALTITUDE (5719 posts) -

@zolroyce: ah man did I laugh just a little too hard at that or what.

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#24 Posted by MooseyMcMan (12541 posts) -

My one comment is that I don't think it should be in sound because it doesn't affect any of the sound options. It's a purely visual option.

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#25 Edited by Onemanarmyy (2569 posts) -

Display. You toggle whether the subtitles are displayed on the screen or not . as a non native English-speaker, subtitles are never a sound option for me. I just want to hear and read the words simultaneously.

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#26 Edited by DinosaurCanada (502 posts) -

Probably under "accessibility," if the game has that.

Other than that, sound. It helps convey the sound better. Therefore, sound makes the most sense. Why is it ever in gameplay, though?? Mind-boggling.

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#27 Posted by SkullPanda1 (1502 posts) -

My bluray and other media playback devices have a setting for having subtitles turn on by default. Why game consoles don't do this for games is beyond me.

For those who would prefer to toggle them in-game they should be under Language settings.

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#28 Edited by rethla (3440 posts) -

Rant incomming. I dont care. Hide subtitles wherever you want but STOP the nonsense of throwing you straight into a long playing session without an ability to adjust settings first. The latest game adapting this rookiemistake of gamedesign is For Honor. I dont wanna play the first 30min of a game in windowed low graphics mode in the wrong language AND unsubtitled PLEASE. Is there noone at Ubisoft that has played a game before and know what they are doing?

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#29 Posted by ripelivejam (10908 posts) -

Settings -> Settings -> Extra Settings -> Other -> Advanced Graphics -> Subtitles -> Hidden Menu -> Minigame -> Subtitles

obviously the only way.

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#30 Posted by FrodoBaggins (867 posts) -

I'm glad most people are choosing the correct answer.

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#31 Posted by BigSocrates (1411 posts) -

Why do subtitles have to only be in one setting menu? It's not like there's limited room. The option should be available in all the relevant menus. It should also be set on a system level and be adjustable on the fly on the system level (like when the Xbox snaps or you hold down the PS button and access the system menu.) Subtitles are clearly one of the most commonly changed options. If you get a phone call or whatever you may want to put them on quickly and there is no reason to leave it up to every shitty dev to figure out how to integrate it into their crappy unintuitive menu system. Microsoft, you want to make WIndows more attractive to gamers? Allow for this kind of gaming system setting in an "Xbox Windows Gaming" menu or whatever.

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Is there noone at Ubisoft that has played a game before and know what they are doing?

It's Ubisoft. Be thankful that the settings aren't locked behind a microtransaction.

In all seriousness this is probably a console-first design thing, where the language and such are set on a system level so this generally isn't as much of an issue, and a lot of game designers are enamored with movies and the idea of the late title card (which the GB folks enjoy too.) That being said, I think for all versions there should be a settings menu before anything else starts. I have never once been like "Gee I'm glad this game started straight up before giving me a title screen and settings options." It's not immersive or cool, it's just irritating and stupid.

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#32 Posted by Pilgore (257 posts) -

They should be in Display but are almost always in Sound for some reason. You can't hear subtitles, people. It's always been a display situation.

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#33 Posted by BigSocrates (1411 posts) -

@pilgore said:

They should be in Display but are almost always in Sound for some reason. You can't hear subtitles, people. It's always been a display situation.

The reason is simple. You go to sound to change the volume. Often subtitles are turned on when the sound is turned down. It makes sense to have them in one place, because subtitles are a substitute for the vocal track (though some people use both.)

Display is generally for technical stuff like resolution and gamma levels.

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#34 Edited by paulmako (1688 posts) -

@pilgore: Should invert axis and look sensitivity be in Display Settings?

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#35 Posted by Zeik (4420 posts) -

I voted display for logic reasons, but on second thought Sound does make more sense for useability reasons. If I'm adjusting the volume I would expect to toggle subtitles too.

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#36 Posted by hermes (2254 posts) -

If it has a "Language" section, it should be there.

If not, then Settings -> Audio.

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#37 Posted by Slag (7349 posts) -

The only reason to have subtitles on is if you can't hear or understand what people are saying in the game. Therefore it pertains to the audio experience, aka Sound.

Language or its' own submenu/checkbox are acceptable places too.

It has zero to do with picture quality therefore not relevant to display or graphics. Even if you argued the subtitles are part of the HUD I've never seen a single game offer you more varied choices on them vs on/off. So that choice is primarily driven by evaluating your audio needs, not your visual ones.

You'd have to be smoking something to think it belongs under gameplay.

as a sidenote, it'd be nice if every game kept a transcript log you could check in the pause menu if you miss a word or two. I strongly prefer to play with subtitles off, but I'll end up missing some stuff sometimes if the audio mix is bad (sfx too loud vs dialogue etc) or there is unexpected background noise (someone talking to me etc).

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#38 Edited by flameboy84 (794 posts) -

As a simple menu option on the pause is best option. However I believe it should be settings-sound-subtitles of we are to debate its positioning otherwise. Whilst yes it is a visual representation of information on screen I do not believe it belongs in display it's not a graphical settings as such. It's a sound setting it's simply an additional way for us to get this sound (all be it in text form)

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#39 Posted by Magmamud (856 posts) -

I voted Display but I'm cool with it being under Sound too.

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#40 Edited by Ezekiel (1695 posts) -

Language, I guess.

Having separate options for Display and Graphics, like in the poll, confuses me much of the time. I'll be looking in Graphics for the resolution, V-sync or AA, not realizing it's in Display. So I'd rather not have Display.

If I made a PC game, it wouldn't even have separate menus. PC players are normally sitting at desks, a few feet from their monitor, so there would be no need for huge options and separate menus. I've just spent a few hours putting together the picture below.

Obviously, the end product would need to be rearranged according to the graphical options, categories for the in-game manual and what’s actually achievable. I’m not a game developer, so I have to use a lot of guesswork. But I think it would work.

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#41 Edited by Pilgore (257 posts) -

@paulmako: No that's in Controls.

@bigsocrates: I don't see how subtitles are a substitute for a vocal track or how they're related to volume specifically.

This all feels very pedantic anyway, every game or even blu-rays and dvd's have different labels for different settings. In the end, doesn't really matter. It could be in sound or display or language.

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#42 Posted by Sinusoidal (3331 posts) -

Why menu dive? Every game should just toggle subtitles via a dedicated button or key.

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#43 Edited by Ezekiel (1695 posts) -

@sinusoidal said:

Why menu dive? Every game should just toggle subtitles via a dedicated button or key.

I've thought about it (Well, with audio options, not subs), but the problem is that a player would press the subtitle button by accident and then not know how to turn them back on, or they'd wonder why they're off, because they never use that button. If you only use it once, it doesn't need to be in-game.

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#44 Posted by ajamafalous (13405 posts) -

Sound, because it's sound-related.

Display is for graphical options.

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#45 Edited by selfconfessedcynic (2970 posts) -

If there's a language option (rare) it should be under that. Why? Mainly because, for example, you want to be able to go JP voice, ENG subs, etc - and it still fits the general theme of "language".

In the 95% of the cases where there isn't a Language setting, it should be under Sound, so I'm happy with that winning too.

Peeps who think it should be under display have an argument I can understand, but... no. I know you see subtitles, but they're about what you're hearing (i.e. they're there to supplement the audio not the graphics).

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#46 Posted by Onemanarmyy (2569 posts) -
@pilgore said:

They should be in Display but are almost always in Sound for some reason. You can't hear subtitles, people. It's always been a display situation.

The reason is simple. You go to sound to change the volume. Often subtitles are turned on when the sound is turned down. It makes sense to have them in one place, because subtitles are a substitute for the vocal track (though some people use both.)

I just feel that this only holds true for english speaking countries. I like to think that i have a decent grasp on the language , but since i grew up with english media being subtitled, i will always want subtitles to read along. It's never a sound issue for me.

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#47 Posted by Sinusoidal (3331 posts) -

@ezekiel said:

@sinusoidal said:

Why menu dive? Every game should just toggle subtitles via a dedicated button or key.

I've thought about it, but the problem is that a player would press the subtitle button by accident and then not know how to turn them back on, or they'd wonder why they're off, because they never use that button. If you only use it once, it doesn't need to be in-game.

Ahh, but if the button were standard - the same thing we're trying to do with the menu option - then the person would know. It's easy enough to just put a reminder at the bottom of the default menu as well.

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#48 Posted by Hippie_Genocide (1865 posts) -

It should be directly under Settings/Options as its own thing. A checkbox that once you select it, a previously greyed out language selection lights up on you choose which language you want the subtitles. That's the only way to eliminate confusion. It doesn't definitely belong under sound because it often has nothing to do with sound. Some people like having the voice over and subtitles at the same time.

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#49 Edited by Teddie (1497 posts) -

It should be standard that you can pause a cutscene and then toggle subtitles on/off on that screen, otherwise it should be in the sound options. Subtitles are an addition, compliment, or replacement for sound-- not display, gameplay, or anything else. Putting it under language would be fine too, but I rarely see that listed as an option in menus regardless.

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#50 Posted by Onemanarmyy (2569 posts) -

@sinusoidal: I would be all for it on PC, but consoles have a limited amount of buttons. Let it die even had to use the two sides of the DS4 touchpad to fit it's buttons.