PC version now WORTHLESS. No mods OR dedicated servers!

402 was meant to have said it on a chat thing and is also on this podcast(Very first subject).  http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/2369799
 
This is utterly insane for a PC game. I'm no longer buying this piece of shit. Fuck Activision to hell. No mods is bad, but I can live without. Dedicated servers are the bread and butter of a PC online game. Fucking...fuck!
 
Edit: To make it clear: 100% confirmed no dedicated servers, server list, mods and will be matchmaking only.

I will not be supporting Activision in anyway, the only thing related to them that I will buy will be Diablo 3 and Starcraft 2.

hmmm i didn't hear it....ill wait till a text announcement comes up.

are you serious? how the fuck can they do that to the PC VERSION?  
and it's 10 dollars extra too. 

"you invalidate all your arguments by ending with fucking ... fuck! "

I don't really think that CoD4 honestly had much benefit from the mod community personally.  However, the idea of not having dedicated servers is DEFINITELY an issue!  So what's it going to be then?  I create a game and host it on my computer?  My goodness...

How can they do this to a PC game? This is ridiculous.

When you say there won't be any dedicated servers, does that mean that all matches will be hosted? That's dumb

"When you say there won't be any dedicated servers, does that mean that all matches will be hosted? That's dumb "

That's strange... really strange....

" @natetodamax said:

"When you say there won't be any dedicated servers, does that mean that all matches will be hosted? That's dumb "

It'll be just like the console version. "

" @Metal_Mills said:

" @natetodamax said:

"When you say there won't be any dedicated servers, does that mean that all matches will be hosted? That's dumb "

It'll be just like the console version. "

But if you can host the game on your console without problems, why couldn't you host it on your PC? Why does the PC side need dedicated servers, but consoles don't? "

That's pretty stupid.

If he said there will be no dedicated servers, that doesn't include listen servers (hosting on your machine while you play). Although, he might have just neglected to mention that.

" @Metal_Mills said:

" @natetodamax said:

"When you say there won't be any dedicated servers, does that mean that all matches will be hosted? That's dumb "

It'll be just like the console version. "

But if you can host the game on your console without problems, why couldn't you host it on your PC? Why does the PC side need dedicated servers, but consoles don't? "

"@Metal_Mills: 
 
I missed the Pod. Did fourzerotwo say for certain that there won't be Dedicated Servers or are you just making assumptions?     "

fourzerotwo said this is for the community, to make it more accessible. lol.
 
The investment and responsibility is what made having a dedicated server so good. Players were integrated into communities through dedicated servers.

Great. Matchmaking is one of the worst things to happen to gaming. My hype for this game was already lowering because of all the other games coming out and now they are bringing this console bullshit onto the PC?

" 402 was meant to have said it on a chat thing and is also on this podcast(Very first subject).  http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/2369799  This is utterly insane for a PC game. I'm no longer buying this piece of shit. Fuck Activision to hell. No mods is bad, but I can live without. Dedicated servers are the bread and butter of a PC online game. Fucking...fuck! "

" @Metal_Mills: Your argument is that your not buying " this piece of shit ." game  due to the fact that it doesnt have dedicated server support or mods. "

I don't care for mods about this game in particular, as other engines/games/platforms are far more popular for modding anyway, but no dedicated servers? Did they really confirm that 100% or just didn't confirm that it WILL have them, so people speculate away in a negative spin? That would be pretty ridiculous, they have no reason at all to remove them for such a game. I can understand it in something like Left 4 Dead for example, since you just go online with a few friends, but games with match based gameplay benefit greatly from that feature, not only for lag purposes (which is a big plus itself) but also for community purposes... If they don't have this at launch I can imagine it being resolved in a future patch once they see how much people dislike it. Or maybe not, after all, the PC isn't highly regarded by publishers. Maybe if Modern Warfare 2 sells worse than 1 on PC instead of better they will just blame it on piracy and other such factors instead of their own bad decision making...

I don't play that much online, I don't use mods, however not having dedicated servers will really ruin the online experience. Honestly what is activation thinking? They must of think the pc version won't make them money considering the delay for piracy.

" I don't play that much online, I don't use mods, however not having dedicated servers will really ruin the online experience. Honestly what is activation thinking? They must of think the pc version won't make them money considering the delay for piracy. "

" Great. Matchmaking is one of the worst things to happen to gaming."

okay.  no dedicated servers is complete bullshit for a PC game.

" @MrGetBonus said:

" Great. Matchmaking is one of the worst things to happen to gaming."

What? The concept of Matchmaking is a great thing... Why wouldn't you want to play against people of equal skill?   I'll assume you just mean that it's implementation on the current games is poor.   No dedicated servers is still strange as hell.. especially for a PC game. "

I really hate matchmaking in PC games. COD4 didn't have the greatest mod community so I don't really care about that, but I like having a server list. Good job Activision.

" @MrGetBonus said:

" Great. Matchmaking is one of the worst things to happen to gaming."

What? The concept of Matchmaking is a great thing... Why wouldn't you want to play against people of equal skill?   I'll assume you just mean that it's implementation on the current games is poor.   No dedicated servers is still strange as hell.. especially for a PC game. "

Can anyone explain to me whats a dedicated server? Would that be something like Battle.net or Steam; where the company hosts the dedicated servers rather than peer-to-peer and not being able to choose?
 
It seems kinda strange that they would take out dedicated servers on the PC. Not really a big deal to me, but this is kinda really maddening. If one version is getting severely neglected, why even bother with a PC version of the game? Activision is again, out of their minds... Then again it could be IW's.
 
Edit: I think I know why they won't have dedicated servers. They're planning to funnel all the extra cost and maintenance to Steam servers instead. Get it on Steam instead.
 
 https://twitter.com/fourzerotwo/status/4942365785

Wtf?

Alright, well I can take this off my "must buy" list, use that money to buy Demon's Souls or something.

I think I just broke my forehead.

" You DO have problems. It's why the number of players is always lower on consoles, it's why a sizable chunk of the world can't play properly on Xbox live because it just dumps you in a US server with 500 ping and dedicated servers can be huge if they want, they asre also overall smoother and easier. Consoles should have them. "

"I think I know why they won't have dedicated servers. They're planning to funnel all the extra cost and maintenance to Steam servers instead. Get it on Steam instead.
 
 https://twitter.com/fourzerotwo/status/4942365785"

If you don't know what dedicated servers are, then don't comment on why you think they dropped them (or for some other people around here who aren't PC gamers, don't pretend to understand the issue and tell people to wait and see). What you link to is completely irrelevant. Such servers are usually run by players, not the companies. Most of Valve's own games (on steam) have dedicated server support. Dedicated servers are machines dedicated to running the server side, where players connect, so no one player is the host that shuts it down as soon as he stops playing, all have an equal chance for good ping based on their location (rather than the host having 0 ping and owning everyone else), it has a particular IP you can put in your favorites and frequent so it allows the creation of communities around it, and many other benefits. Not having dedicated servers doesn't mean they'll provide more features or supporrt in other ways, it merely gimps the ability of the players themselves to provide their own support and create communities, which is the most important support a game like this can have. Now, sure, people can try to work around that in some ways (not all by far), but when pretty much every PC FPS out there supports this, why doesn't this? Instead of adding features and helping players support they take them out and make it tougher? Yes, this is a big deal and not blown out of proportion if it's true.

Host migration still doesn't allow for the creation of communities based around static IP servers, nor will it provide an experience as stable and smooth if the host constantly changes around with people of varying connection speeds and locations. Being on Steam is irrelevant. And yes, you can work with just listen servers, but there's a reason all the Valve FPS games live off of dedicated servers, even though most of them support listen servers. It's because it's the best solution, and what most people want. They have no reason to remove it. None. They have no reason to want control over the content (as games who are open get extra popularity for that alone), it has nothing to do with anti-piracy (cracked servers are cracked servers whether dedicated or listen, or whatever method ends up being used for this game's piracy). There's no logic.

This has nothing to do with "accessability" and everything to do with cutting out the free-modding community, maintaining control over multiplayer content and servers, and reducing piracy rates. I think it's pretty insulting, but, hey, it's Acitivision.

" Alright, well I can take this off my "must buy" list, use that money to buy Demon's Souls or something. "

Looks like I won't be buying this game.  I honestly hope this becomes the #1 pirated xbox and PC game on the market now. Activision can eat a bag of dicks.

WTF Where's my server list! Activision is getting too powerful now, they can screw over whoever they want and people will still kiss their ass.

In layman's terms, they just turned PC multiplayer into Xbox Live (which some will prefer and some won't), meaning no mods, no permanent clan servers etc.  It should be harder to play multiplayer with a pirated copy, because everybody will be forced to go through IW Net.  
 
At least for the first week until somebody figures out how to emulate IW Net on private servers.

no dedicated servers = no buy

"I have a console so I cant really sympathize but it doesnt seem like that big of a deal."

Oh great, now I hate Activision even more, I didn't think that was possible.

They just lost a customer.
 
I'm sure it will mean little difference in the long run, though. The game will still sell millions, but I refuse to support this game.