Future of console war

So in the midst of the PS3/Xbox360 console war, Microsoft and SONY decided to push their own disc based media, SONY pushed Blu-Ray while Xbox360 pushed HD-DVD. Obviously this new media is the future because of the space. Blu-Ray has about 49GB while dual layer HD-DVD has about 30GB of space. Now obviously SONY won the media disc push as blu-ray is becoming a standard pretty soon and HD-DVD failed miserably, now I am very excited about what Microsoft will do as DVD media is becoming ancient. So will Microsoft adapt Blu-Ray disc which in turn will net SONY money or will they try out a new disc based media that is not HD-DVD or Blu-Ray, post your theories below, I really hope Microsoft doesn't still used DVD disc games in their next system
 
P.S I know I am not a great writer, English is my second language, I apologize for that.

The question is certainly an intriguing one, but you've come to the wrong place if you're looking for console wars. My guess is MS will wait a few years and go all digital. 

I'm sure I've seen this thread several times already.

" The question is certainly an intriguing one, but you've come to the wrong place if you're looking for console wars. My guess is MS will wait a few years and go all digital.  "

Imagine an Xbox with 1 Tetrabyte (1,000GB right?) worth of space, and all games are purchased via the xbox marketplace? I'm not sure if this might work as most games will take ages to download and people might not be too happy with that, also cutting the middle man (GameStop), that's harsh lol. I don't see SONY going all digital anytime soon since the blu-ray disc media is still fairly new

 The future of the console wars is the PC. 
 
Eventually they are going to get rid of the disk based medium in general as the industry moves to a purely download only system of distributions for games. When this happens console are just going to be less powerful PC's with big hard drives, and people are going to wonder whats the point in owning one of them. When the system just becomes a low end computer that is controlled by a game pad, and is loaded with tons of restrictions on how you can use it and what you can use on it then why even own one? Eventually it will all come back to the PC platform and every game will be designed to be used by ether a USB controller,a keyboard and mouse or some kind of game specific controller.
 
I'm not saying this will be the next gen, but two or three from now the idea of a video game "console" system as they are today is just going to be silly.

they only backed hd-dvd to slow the adoption rate of blu-ray.  It worked i think because here in the midwest, i don't know anyone with a blu-ray but i know plenty of people with hdtv's.

Yeah i reckon digital delivery will be the way. This would also be the best way to counter bluray. MS have always been much much more ticked on when it comes to use of the internet. If us guys in the rest of the world werent so far behind the Americans in terms of internet speed, i reckon that would have been the way for the current generation.

"  The future of the console wars is the PC.    Eventually they are going to get rid of the disk based medium in general as the industry moves to a purely download only system of distributions for games. When this happens console are just going to be less powerful PC's with big hard drives, and people are going to wonder whats the point in owning one of them. When the system just becomes a low end computer that is controlled by a game pad, and is loaded with tons of restrictions on how you can use it and what you can use on it then why even own one? Eventually it will all come back to the PC platform and every game will be designed to be used by ether a USB controller,a keyboard and mouse or some kind of game specific controller.  I'm not saying this will be the next gen, but two or three from now the idea of a video game "console" system as they are today is just going to be silly. "

"  The future of the console wars is the PC.    Eventually they are going to get rid of the disk based medium in general as the industry moves to a purely download only system of distributions for games. When this happens console are just going to be less powerful PC's with big hard drives, and people are going to wonder whats the point in owning one of them. When the system just becomes a low end computer that is controlled by a game pad, and is loaded with tons of restrictions on how you can use it and what you can use on it then why even own one? Eventually it will all come back to the PC platform and every game will be designed to be used by ether a USB controller,a keyboard and mouse or some kind of game specific controller.  I'm not saying this will be the next gen, but two or three from now the idea of a video game "console" system as they are today is just going to be silly. "

" @Magresda: That's why i said when this kind of thinking becomes prevalent the OS makers are going to start making OS with that in mind. They are going to make bare bones straight forward OS's for people who just want to use them as media devices, and make an alternate version with the features we expect from a traditional OS. They can market them and distribute them as an all-in-one set top box for people who don't want to do those things, and for those of us who always want the latest and greatest can buy an OS on a disk and make our systems our selves. Then every few years they will release a set top box 2.0 with upgrade hardware that people can trade in when their old ones become outdated, or they can drop their boxes off at some tech store and have it upgraded for a lesser price. "

PC wins by default, of course.

" @crusader8463 said:

" @Magresda: That's why i said when this kind of thinking becomes prevalent the OS makers are going to start making OS with that in mind. They are going to make bare bones straight forward OS's for people who just want to use them as media devices, and make an alternate version with the features we expect from a traditional OS. They can market them and distribute them as an all-in-one set top box for people who don't want to do those things, and for those of us who always want the latest and greatest can buy an OS on a disk and make our systems our selves. Then every few years they will release a set top box 2.0 with upgrade hardware that people can trade in when their old ones become outdated, or they can drop their boxes off at some tech store and have it upgraded for a lesser price. "

I know, I didn't see your second comment before I posted mine - you basically said exactly what I was thinking. My point is that at this point it's not a PC in the traditional sense that we know it - thus it would be wrong to say "the PC is the future of gaming". The product you're describing - plug into your TV, bare-bones OS's and bi-yearly updates sounds more like a hybrid between everything we have in gaming today, rather than the evolution of PC's.  "

Hmm, anyway back to the main topic, any ideas of the future of Microsoft games? So far the best we've got is going all digital, I don't think this will happen until we get a faster kind of internet (Broadband can still take hours to download something that's 30GB)

 @LRP21:

 
 
Digital distribution is the future, but we're years away from that.  As anyone not in a city in the U.S. only has the choice between dial-up or satellite.  Both of which suck. 

I doubt it, but a return to something like a cartridge like in thee olde in days. With solid state hard drives, as well as thumb drives and all those tiny little cards out there you might just see a system run on them. When you go to a store you buy a thumb drive that is loaded with the game and you simply take it home plug it into a usb port and copy it onto your system, or run it form there. That way people who have a good connection just download it, and for everyone else you pick up the card.

They don't need to adopt Blu-Ray.

" @LRP21: That's the point i made at the start though. At what point does a console stop being a console and it being a PC with a weird input device? With the advent of hard drives becoming standard on all modern systems, them running their own proprietary OS's, and them always had being made of the same things a PC is(motherboard, ram, processor, video cards, sounds cards, hard drives) you cant really call them consoles anymore,they are just locked down PC's. "

every console is going to have bluray. sony doesn't own bluray, they own somewhat of it but not all of it.

I don't think it will go all digital untill at least around 2020.  Anyways, I think Microsoft will either adopt blu-ray or be stupid and stick with DVDs.  I don't think they would try to come up with some other disc when blu-ray has been so successful.

Why can't we just get a console with full support for USB devices such as Mice/Keyboards.  Then when you get into matchmaking it knows what control layout you are using, if your a standard player you go into the gamepad lobbies, if you are a m/kb player you go into those lobbies.  Everyone is happy, with a relatively simple solution. 
 
or maybe im just crazy idk.  some games are just more fun with m/kb, while alot of other i can only play with a controller

I would guess that they will be using Blu-rays. Besides most likely the next set of consoles will focus more on digital distribution. The PSP Go was the first major sign of this.

" @Magresda: I disagree completly, and sorry to say your wrong too. There hasn't been a console made specifically for gaming since the n64. The PS 1 was made with the idea that people would use it as a CD player, the PS 2 was a DVD player, the PS3/360 where built with the idea of being an entertainment center that played movies, music, surfed the web and did tons of things other than playing games. The Wii being the possible exception. With every new feature they keep taunting as a revolutionary new advancement in consoles they are just making it more and more like a PC by offering stripped down things that  PC's have been doing.   As for the aspect of needing to upgrade that too is an old way of thinking. The development of new PC hardware has grown to a crawl compared to what it used to be, and the life span of a computer is growing exponentially. If/when we get to a time when what i have been talking about becomes the standard hardware manufacturers will slow down even more so as the marketplace just wont exist for them to make new hardware every year or two, because no one would buy it. Instead we will see more advanced leaps in performance every two to three years, which means we will see a life cycle more akin to what the current consoles have and not this idea that by owning a PC you need to upgrade every aspect of it every six months. "

Our internet isnt good enough yet to download giant 30GB games. Even on a 10Mb/s connection it would take... 30GB/1.2MB = 7 hours.

i haven't really checked out any specifics but...
 
many wii's have already been sold, who else is gonna buy them, many hardcore players hate the wii (nintendo still stuck on mario)
if microsoft can fix the red ring problem, i think more people won't hesitate to buy one, thus an increase in sales (large online community
PS3 as a system is suberb, however there are few exclusives and not many good long lasting games that i have heard about ( though the system itself is amazing, the shift to bluray never happened)
 
so i think wii will still sell, but not as much
xbox could get better with a hardware solution
PS3 is not as big as the other consoles, and may lack the support to rise up

" Hmm, anyway back to the main topic, any ideas of the future of Microsoft games? So far the best we've got is going all digital, I don't think this will happen until we get a faster kind of internet (Broadband can still take hours to download something that's 30GB) "

In the future, console wars ill be actual wars where the console will go all transformers and try to kill each other. 

the pc will never be the dominant platform for video games. why? because piracy.
 
edit: and straight-up downloaded media with no box in stores is at least 10 years away, probably more than that. it might look like we're headed in that direction but there's so many obstacles. retailers still have a lot of influence in the business, so many people still don't have broadband (crazy but true), a lot of the people who do have broadband have bandwidth caps (and these are becoming more common, not less). it worked for the pc, more or less, because the pc was struggling with the retail environment already, so anything would have been an improvement. i don't see the console business rocking the boat when they're making lots of money and sales of dlc and downloadable games have not been competitive with retail boxes to date.

I dont think its an issue to be honest the DVD write speed 3x give microsoft a huge advantage while Sonys Bluray player is 1x speed  which gives Sony a lot of headaches which usually end up in them having to install portions of the game to the hardrive to get it to work normally.
 
and then theres the bigger issue of blurays costing so damm much and that most people still prefer to buy DVD's because of cost.  
 
Im sure the next consoles will implement 3x speed Blurays for sure but untill then I think DVD is holding up well.

NES will rise again to destroy all next gen. its inevitable 

" NES will rise again to destroy all next gen. its inevitable  "

" @Ryax said:

" NES will rise again to destroy all next gen. its inevitable  "

Actually, Nintendo should totally just ditch the money-sink that is the wii and start making NES games again, except on blu-ray. 2d games that are over 500 hours long to complete... "

" @Ryax said:

" NES will rise again to destroy all next gen. its inevitable  "

Actually, Nintendo should totally just ditch the money-sink that is the wii and start making NES games again, except on blu-ray. 2d games that are over 500 hours long to complete... "