Clearly the CIA who did 9/11 in the first place were protecting Osama. But Obama out of desperation to be re-elected had Osama killed to gain some public favor.
Why is there even a debate over releasing photos of Osama's body?
" @bybeach: look man, people photoshop photos of everyone to mke them look dead, fucked up, even naked. it happens all the time.His argument went way over your head didn't it?
we're talking about a mass murdering terrorist here. who cares what the internet does with the photos. the point is, we need undeniable proof.
they killed him and dumped his body in the sea within 24 hours. it doesn't make much sense.@Yanngc33 said:"" Because they want to avoid another Che. Because as crazy as it might sound, in 10 years somebody will think that putting his face on a T-shirt and selling it will be a good idea "they would do that either way dude.
Not really. Osama's a martyr either way. What does seeing his brain emptied head change? What did Saddam being executed on TV change? You think some people are on the fence about martyring Osama and seeing his bullet wound would seal the deal? All his supporters really needed was the story and they have that. Osama was praying unarmed, surrounded by bluebirds or something and the pigs came in and murdered everyone. Seeing the hole where his eye should be doesn't change the skew of the narrative that crazy terrorists will be using. Che doesn't have a famous corpse photo, he has a famous living photo." @TwoOneFive said:
" @bybeach: look man, people photoshop photos of everyone to mke them look dead, fucked up, even naked. it happens all the time.His argument went way over your head didn't it? "
we're talking about a mass murdering terrorist here. who cares what the internet does with the photos. the point is, we need undeniable proof.
they killed him and dumped his body in the sea within 24 hours. it doesn't make much sense.
@Yanngc33 said:" Because they want to avoid another Che. Because as crazy as it might sound, in 10 years somebody will think that putting his face on a T-shirt and selling it will be a good idea "they would do that either way dude.
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" @Djeffers03 said:Which is kind of dumb considering the fact that the operation was carried out in Pakistan, it certainly severely inflamed our relations with that country. If he's been dead for a long time and we're just putting this out there for political convenience, saying he was found and killed in some remote Afghan cave would have been a lot more politically sensible." To all the people who do not believe he is dead: He would just make a new video showing that he's alive, of course he's dead, or at least captured. "From the conspiracy stuff I read so far, people think he was dead for a while now, not that he's still alive. "
" @wickedsc3 said:It also has the coolest name ever: The Mozambique Drill.Military members are trained to shoot two to the chest, one to the head. "" I don't think the photo will come out because the shot to the head was unnecessary and probably after he had died. Which would show the US in a bad light. "
They identified the DNA as an exact match, they have all his personal information and data, why do people care about this? It's not relevant. That piece of scum is dead and now it's time to exploit that fact. If I was Obama, the last thing on my mind would be releasing a bunch of photo's with Osama's eyes blown out of his face. There will be people who think they were doctored even if we do release them, so it's not like you're going to convince people who are doubting you now.
You know who want's pictures of his death? Sarah Palin.
Of course, releasing the photo's is the definition in this context as dramatic and polit....Ugh...You know what...I think I just gave that sentence(?) more thought than I should have.@SarahPalinUSA: Show photo as warning to others seeking America's destruction. No pussy-footing around, no politicking, no drama;it's part of the mission
The point is, that you're not going to please anyone in this situation and we probably should be focused on better things.
" @wickedsc3 said:Not at all, I think rotting in a US prison would be worse than killing him, and could possibly be useful in the war. But thanks for jumping to conclusions. Because honestly what does killing him do that capturing him would not? I by no means in my post said it was wrong to kill him, all I said was I didn't see whey they couldn't take him alive allowing us to gain more information." They will never release it voluntarily. Because Im sure that photo shows things they don't want out. Mainly a unarmed man shot once in the chest and once in the head. I don't why they couldn't take him alive, it would not have been that hard to shoot to wound a unarmed man. As they did with the woman who actually charged at them, who they shot in the leg. Also the others in the building who they were able to zip tie on there way clearing the building. I don't think the photo will come out because the shot to the head was unnecessary and probably after he had died. Which would show the US in a bad light. "K Glenn Beck, now you're sympathizing with poor unarmed Osama. "
" @wickedsc3 said:Oh, that could explain it then. What is the purpose of this just to make sure they are dead after you hit them twice in the chest?Military members are trained to shoot two to the chest, one to the head. "" I don't think the photo will come out because the shot to the head was unnecessary and probably after he had died. Which would show the US in a bad light. "
" Let's see... what does (did) Osama Bin Laden want? To hurt the United States. What would be really easy for Osama Bin Laden to do right now if he were still alive? Hurt the United States, by publicizing that he was still alive. Wouldn't need to kill a soul, he'd undermine our government and possibly the war in Afghanistan just by releasing a video where he made fun of us for lying about his death.But how can we know they didn't make a video for every date...
I know you don't trust the government, but do you really think it's that boneheaded?Granted, it's possible such a video was pre-made for such a purpose. He'd need to do something that didn't sound generic, like identify the date of his claimed death."
Missing vital organs after being shot int he chest means they will still be alive for a short time. Having any body armor means the shots might not kill them at all. Guessing the two shots in the chest knocks them off balance enough where you can guarantee a head shot which confirms a kill. Complete assumption on my part so EpicSteve can correct me if I'm completely off base here." @ryanwho said:
" @wickedsc3 said:Not at all, I think rotting in a US prison would be worse than killing him, and could possibly be useful in the war. But thanks for jumping to conclusions. Because honestly what does killing him do that capturing him would not? I by no means in my post said it was wrong to kill him, all I said was I didn't see whey they couldn't take him alive allowing us to gain more information." They will never release it voluntarily. Because Im sure that photo shows things they don't want out. Mainly a unarmed man shot once in the chest and once in the head. I don't why they couldn't take him alive, it would not have been that hard to shoot to wound a unarmed man. As they did with the woman who actually charged at them, who they shot in the leg. Also the others in the building who they were able to zip tie on there way clearing the building. I don't think the photo will come out because the shot to the head was unnecessary and probably after he had died. Which would show the US in a bad light. "K Glenn Beck, now you're sympathizing with poor unarmed Osama. "
@Axxol said:" @wickedsc3 said:Oh, that could explain it then. What is the purpose of this just to make sure they are dead after you hit them twice in the chest?Military members are trained to shoot two to the chest, one to the head. "" I don't think the photo will come out because the shot to the head was unnecessary and probably after he had died. Which would show the US in a bad light. "
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No, it's entirely for shits and giggles. Navy SEALS have no idea what they're doing.@Axxol said:"" @wickedsc3 said:Oh, that could explain it then. What is the purpose of this just to make sure they are dead after you hit them twice in the chest?Military members are trained to shoot two to the chest, one to the head. "" I don't think the photo will come out because the shot to the head was unnecessary and probably after he had died. Which would show the US in a bad light. "
@ TwoOneFive
Reuters got there hands on some pictures of the aftermath, apparently these were sold to news agencies by a Pakistani security official.
WARNING: GRAPHIC PHOTOGRAPHS OF DEAD PEOPLE
"If they get one of our guys, they burn them and drag them through the fucking streets. "OK lets do that too. The whole point wasn't "getting him back" it was eliminating a threat. What do you gain from releasing pictures? The possible negatives are too big to risk for "Yay we killed him". Adding insult is just childish. Also being pissed off is not an on / off thing, theres a difference between being really pissed at my friend, wanting to hurt him or wanting to kill him. Releasing pictures would cause too much trouble and i don't think its necessary to prove that they killed him ( what with the people being pissed and why would they lie ).
As far as I know technically it is but its rarely (if ever used correctly)" @Fullmetal216 said:
" Because people like to debate about the stupidest things if it gets them attention. "stupidest isn't a word! "
" @dudy80 said:"I could care less" and "I couldn't care less" mean the same thing. The former is sarcastic and the latter is sincere. People that whine about this are deeply stupid. So are people that think the Osama killing is a fabrication." Personally i could care less if we piss them off,"
I would say that's messed up but the dude was a terrorist so fuck him." @Dread612: That guy looks like he has a mouth full of blueberry pie. "
" @Axxol said:Would it make you feel better if I told you that Frank West took those pictures?" @Dread612: That guy looks like he has a mouth full of blueberry pie. "I would say that's messed up but the dude was a terrorist for fuck him. "
" @ TwoOneFiveThat second picture freaked me out with how his eyes are, also the bullet hole in the chin doesnt help.
Reuters got there hands on some pictures of the aftermath, apparently these were sold to news agencies by a Pakistani security official.
WARNING: GRAPHIC PHOTOGRAPHS OF DEAD PEOPLEhttp://www.reuters.com/subjects/bin-laden-compound"
" @MariachiMacabre said:Yes, yes and more yes." @Axxol said:Would it make you feel better if I told you that Frank West took those pictures? "" @Dread612: That guy looks like he has a mouth full of blueberry pie. "I would say that's messed up but the dude was a terrorist for fuck him. "
" @wickedsc3 said:I see what you did there.No, it's entirely for shits and giggles. Navy SEALS have no idea what they're doing. "@Axxol said:"" @wickedsc3 said:Oh, that could explain it then. What is the purpose of this just to make sure they are dead after you hit them twice in the chest?Military members are trained to shoot two to the chest, one to the head. "" I don't think the photo will come out because the shot to the head was unnecessary and probably after he had died. Which would show the US in a bad light. "
" @ryanwho said:" @wickedsc3 said:Not at all, I think rotting in a US prison would be worse than killing him, and could possibly be useful in the war. But thanks for jumping to conclusions. Because honestly what does killing him do that capturing him would not? I by no means in my post said it was wrong to kill him, all I said was I didn't see whey they couldn't take him alive allowing us to gain more information."" They will never release it voluntarily. Because Im sure that photo shows things they don't want out. Mainly a unarmed man shot once in the chest and once in the head. I don't why they couldn't take him alive, it would not have been that hard to shoot to wound a unarmed man. As they did with the woman who actually charged at them, who they shot in the leg. Also the others in the building who they were able to zip tie on there way clearing the building. I don't think the photo will come out because the shot to the head was unnecessary and probably after he had died. Which would show the US in a bad light. "K Glenn Beck, now you're sympathizing with poor unarmed Osama. "
i don't know. i think that they should just release it. maybe they should make a small way of releasing it, so that way we won't really care about. terrorist release pictures of what they did to our soldiers all the time. i remember hearing on the news a while ago of soldiers being held hostage and terrorist released them.
This whole affair is beginning to stink to high heaven.
Story has now changed once again. Reports suggest that now Osama wasn't killed at his compound, he was killed AFTER they captured him. Which is even more madness if they had him alive.
And Obama won't show photo's because of emotional sentiment. I don't buy that one bit. With Saddam we had everything forthcoming, with Osama nothing. And Saddam being dead was only going to lead to more death and retaliation in Iraq amongst his supporters (who exist to this day, folks). So why not release photo's of a man who has no more than a few hundred followers worldwide (According to the CIA themselves, and possess no capability to strike directly at US military targets)???
This folks is why I was sceptical at the start when the whole story broke. All I wanted was just a few shreds of evidence, and nothing has been provided.
Here's the thing:
If Osama was alive and free, we'd eventually know it. He's probably still alive and captured (more useful alive then dead), and the info we get from him will be incredibly useful.
THE MEDIAS SAYING HES DEAD SO THAT WE DONT GET BOMBED AND SHIT BECAUSE IF AL QUADA KNEW HE WAS ALIVE THEY'D SUICIDE BOMB US TO OBVLIVION
I don't want to see them; but I wish they were available, because now I'll be exposed to even more dumb ass conspiracy theories.
History books and war museums around the world are full of 'gruesome' photos like this. People aren't asking to see it for entertainment's sake; they want to see some evidence that they're hearing an accurate version of events. It would probably do the public good to see what war looks like once in a while anyway. It's pretty cowardly to have these things done in our name and then ask for it to be hidden from us to protect our delicate sensibilities. The 'too gruesome' defence is pretty much bullshit.
Not wanting to incite a reaction (or rather, Obama not wanting to catch flak later if some incident ends up being blamed on the release of the photo) holds a little more water, though it's perhaps a little late to worry about inciting a reaction having already bombed the fuck out of half of the Middle East.
He is definitely dead. They would not do any of this if they were not certain that was the case one way or another. However, the evidence for him dying how and when they claim he died so far amounts to "Trust us". Sorry, but Nixon (Watergate), Clinton (Lewinsky), Bush (WMD) already burned through any weight carried by the word of US administrations. Recent US Presidents have not shown themselves to be above lying when it was convenient for them to do so. There's a slam dunk re-election riding on Obama portraying himself as the Slayer of America's Enemies, so there is plenty of plausible motivation for shenanigans.
I think it's likely they're telling it straight(ish), but if you're going to hastily dispose of the body where it can never be found, and then refuse to release any evidence at all (for very tenuous reasons), then nobody should be surprised that some people aren't prepared to just take them at their word.
@Jimbo:
According to the US official story, Osama was buried according to Muslim burial rites, (dubious claim, but one we'll go along with). So that means they cleaned and washed him. So surely they could have and should have taken pictures of him AFTER they had 'prepared' him for burial which wouldn't have been anywhere near as gruesome or "offensive". It would have shown two things, 1. That Osama is dead. 2. That the US paid at least some respect to a dead body, therefore quelling emotional sentiment.
But alas this is coming from a government, which allegedly had a 'LIVE' feed of the whole operation from helmet cams and still can't get its story straight. They can DNA prove it was Osama within hours, but after 3 whole days can't come up with a unified story of what truly happened.
And I'm being told I'm the wacky one for not trusting the governments word on face value.
" @melcene said:So...we should be more like the terrorists?" Not only would releasing the picture possibly enflame OBL's followers, but it will also serve to piss off the Americans (and others around the world) who are all boo-hoo over a human life, even if it's OBL's. "as i already pointed out in my original post: his death has already enflamed his followers. and even when Obama tried to be respectful giving him a proper islamic burial at sea, they became enflamed anyways saying it was a giant insult etc. so all this tip toeing around terrorists feeling is BULLSHIT. If they get one of our guys, they burn them and drag them through the fucking streets. "
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