Are pizzas pies?

I was born and raised in NY. It has always been a pie to me. My first time traveling with friends outside of NY not too far from Illinois I believe, I called in for a pizza.

Me: I'd like to order a pie.

Employee: We don't have that.

Me: I'm calling a pizza shop right?

Employee: Yes.

Me: Okay. Then I'd like a pie.

Employee: We don't carry that.

It went on for a bit until I realized they don't call it a pie. I just had to say a large pizza. I found it odd that it was a big rectangle cut into smaller pieces. No slices. Lesson learned. I try to have a pizza everywhere I go just to see what it taste like wherever I am. My favorite is still a good ol' NY slice. Also to anyone that is planning a NY trip look up to see where the good pizza shops are. You won't be disappointed. I would even say try a few different ones.

A pizza is a pie. Don't ask me how or why, in my heart of hearts I just know that it is.

@mattyftm: You mad GENIUS. I just remembered I have a pre-made pie crust, half a bag of pepperoni, and a can of pizza sauce at home. Just need some cheese and I know what I'm making for dinner tonight.

Also regarding lids, key lime, lemon meringue, neither of which have lids.

The definition of a pie is typically a meat or fruit substance which implements a base and top layer of pastry cooked in a tin. A pizza is usually a tomato base sauce and cheese spread across a bread like dough, which extra toppings get added to for taste. So it's not a typical definition of a pie. But some places class them as pies so... Maybe? What about a calzone? That is a folded pizza that looks like a pasty / oggy which where I am from is classed as a pie?

Pizza's can be pies, based on the style of pizza, but not all pizza is pie.

Call that floppy, greasy, pepperoni-laden crap you can get from your average local sub shop a "pie", I would not.

@ichthy: Please report back. Preferably with pictures.

Oh man, this thread harkens back to one of the oldest topics on this board. Love it. We need more "is this food another food" debates around here!

@mattyftm: So like, a Hot pocket?

Chicago-style pizza is a pie. No other pizza should be classified as such. A better question is whether Chicago-style pizza should be classified as pizza or lidless meat pie.

Those also aren't technically pies. They're made with what is essentially a biscuit base, not pastry.

Are hamburgers sandwiches?

False. They're fancy slices of bread.

All pizzas are pies, but not all pies are pizzas.

Pizza pie.

C'mon.

''Tralse'' I never thought I would hear such a word, just like the time when I heard of ''Colapes''

I'm sure their some people on GB that knows what I mean.

not a pie. it's NYC slang but doesn't mean pizza is actually a pie.

He speaks of course, of the buttery biscuit base...

I fucking hate when someone calls a pizza a pie. Assholes.

New York says they are pies

I define 'pie' by the depth of the side crust. So in some cases yes and some cases no.

True, and I think Vinny says pies for pizza, but he is east coast as fuuuuuck. This doesn't begin to touch on the is a taco a sandwich question though.........................

I'm not weighing in on that shit show

Pizza is definitely pie.

I'm from massachutts, lived here all my life.

People who call pizzas pies are assholes. Plain and simple.

Yes yes, my neighbors from New York call pizzas pies often, but then again, people from New York are assholes.

If pizza is pie, are pocket pies calzones?

@clonedzero:

I mean, Mass-holes are a thing. Why don't you go put on your Goddamn flip flops and get to the store before it closes like everything else at like 8pm.

With that said, New Yorkers are definitely assholes.

Hey! Thats OUR WORD! You don't get to say it!

How is that a question? Tacos are not fucking sandwiches, tacos are fucking tacos.

As for pizzas being pies, I honestly don't care and could see arguments for both ways.

As a child I always thought they said, "Pizza pie."
As an adult I realize it's probably, "Pizza time."

@mchampton said:

It's always Pizza Time.

Pizza is clearly a cake. And I'll fight all those that disagree.

How is this even a question?

Pie's are a dish-shaped pastry filled with meat, or fruit if you're feeling soft, often with a lid.

Pizza's (Except for the Chicago things because they sound crazy) are large round pieces of bread with a variety of toppings.

I don't even see the cross-over...

They're absolutely pies. I'm Italian, so I would know. I'd never call it that though. Just like how I'd never refer to a burger as a sandwich, even though it is one.

@dancinginfernal: I'm glad someone thought if this too. I didn't want to post It Myself Though.

I think that's just a weird NY thing, calling pizzas "pie". Like how us Texans like to say "coke" when we mean soda in general. Yes, Pizza can be classified into the pie or fancy bread category, but it already has a great name: pizza.

Yes I have heard the term pizza pie & tomato pie. I just don't picture pizza as a pie.

I had a dream last night about desert pizzas. That is all.

Technically, yes. It's origin is as a pie, but pizza has become so much bigger then that; labels can no longer contain it. It's weird, because people still refer to it as a pie or a pizza pie, but I bet you they don't actually associate it with what their definition of a pie is. Personally, I consider pizza it's own thing, just like a burger is it's own thing but it's technically a sandwich.

Have you even seen a Chicago style pizza? Those things are pies. Though personally I much prefer New York style pizza

@mordukai:I'll admit that a chicago-style deep-pan stuffed pizza is getting dangerously close to a pie...

Pies are pies. Pizzas are not pies. They are pizzas.

This whole thread is ridiculous.

It's a pie. Anyone who says otherwise is lying to themselves. This fact is also why I choose pie over cake in the great "you can only eat one thing for your life cake or pie?" debate.

I never knew it was regional. I live in Baltimore and we call them pizzas, but I guess enough of New York rubbed off on me (did a lot of work there for a while) that pie sounds perfectly fine to me. Except you'd never say "a slice of pie" when asking for pizza. Like someone above mentioned, a "pie" is more a unit of measurement, just like a "slice" is.

@giantlizardking: What exactly is a pizza cobbler? Is that like an upside-down pizza?

Some pizzas would be considered pies like deep dish but I would not call them that. The word pizza is enough.

had to vote tralse

@dancinginfernal: Thank you so much for reminding me of that videos existence.

Are people really that uneducated about the food they eat and how it's made ? What's next ? People calling chicken legs ham ?

Here's a fun (and probably misremembered) fact:

What we call Chicago style pizza, was originally known in Italy as a tomato pie. Which has always made the "CHICAGO STYLE PIZZA IS NOT PIZZA" debate really funny to me. Like, yeah no shit it's not pizza.

So I guess my answer is no? Or yes maybe? Tralse?

This thread just reminded me that I once had an "actual" pizza-pie - as in, pizza filling, encased in legitamate pastry. It was called (for whatever reason) a "Pizza POD".

http://www.shirefoods.com/product-range.html

It was nowhere near as nice as you'd think...

Isnt that basically what a calzone or a hot pocket is? or are we talking about real pie crust in a pie like shape?

@lego_my_eggo: I'm talking an actual pie. With pastry.