@Brodehouse: The sim-racing genre is a bit different. The inclution of licenced cars is a huge part of the experience(since its simulating real-life racing and you can't do that with fake cars) and its not like the gameplay in Forza will suffer by them adding cars.
Forza Motorsport 4
Game » consists of 7 releases. Released Oct 11, 2011
The fourth installment of Turn 10's Motorsport racing franchise, released in Fall 2011. It features 16 player online races, dynamic race conditions, cars from over 80 manufacturers, and compatibility with Kinect, both on and off the racetrack.
In Case You're Wondering Why There Are No Porsches in Forza 4, it's Because of EA
Fuck off EA! If we can't get Porche in Forza 4 now, so what about the Pagani Huayra? The Huayra is an amazing car but apparently it's exclusive to Shift 2.
Im fine with Ruf. They are Porsche bodys and chassis with parts RUF makes in house put into them. Also, keeping Porsche's out of Forza 4 is not going to make me buy shift2 or shift3. So go ahead EA, ive already preordered the collectors edition of F4, and none of your racing games.
@Buzzkill said:
EA is starting to make Activision look good.
Not to defend EA on this matter(because its kind of a dick move but still completly understandable) but them preventing competators from using a license that they own vs. running every single gamefranchise into the ground and taking a studio and putting it to work on a game genre thats not really in their wheelhouse and then closing it when the game doesn't perform well is totally the same thing.
As they are well known for, total dick move by EA. But I also don't buy this Turn 10 stooges spin on the matter.
" Forza had the exclusive license for all Ferrari cars, for example, on the Xbox and PC platforms. But at the end of the day, we’ve always found that we just weren’t willing to block other racing games from having Ferraris outright, as we believed that this would do nothing but hurt the racing ecosystem."
Sure, Microsoft just bought the exclusive rights to the Ferrari license not because they wanted to deny it to competitors but because they wanted to help the racing ecosystem. Right. I'm calling bullshit. Walk the walk Turn 10 before you start talking the talk with regards to other assholes wielding exclusive rights.
And that's why I hate EA.They try to license as many things as possible and then don't let anyone make good games.They got the NFL license and always make crappy Madden games,when 2k were making unbelievable football games.Also they got the license to the NBA All-Star weekend,so NBA 2k can't use their great slam dunk contest mechanics,they also have the FIBA license,so they have all the national teams although the rosters don't even look like in real life.Now they don't allow one of the greatest racing sim franchises to use Porsche,because they want to compete with their crappy Shift "simulator" series(?).
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It seems that after finally starting to get the gaming community to not see them as the Evil Empire, EA are now making every effort to reclaim that crown from Activision.
@Maelstrom: How can you call it bullshit if GT5 had all the Ferrari that you would actually want? Even Shift 1 had Ferrari at one point.
So EA are now doing to racing games what they've already done to football (soccer) games? Great! *sigh*
Forza 3: 35 Porsche models
NEED FOR SPEED - Shift 2: 10 Porsche models
NEED FOR SPEED - The Run: 5 Porsche models
Shift 3 is not coming since EA has cut of Slightly Mad Studio's funding and support for Shift2, they have also said they cannot release patches because EA doesn't have the time to Q/A them.
Meanwhile, neither iRacing on PC, Forza 4 on the 360, or GT5 on the PS3 have Porsche cars.
I know it's the "in" thing to crap on EA, but I get the feeling this is more about money than anything else. Micro "if-you're-on-PSN-first-don't-call-us" Soft probably doesn't want to meet EA's asking price to use the license. Everyone is playing hardball in this tight economy, so I can't fault EA for doing whatever they can to further their own invested interests.
@PJ said:
@Brodehouse: The sim-racing genre is a bit different. The inclution of licenced cars is a huge part of the experience(since its simulating real-life racing and you can't do that with fake cars) and its not like the gameplay in Forza will suffer by them adding cars.
If licensed cars are a 'huge part of the experience' then it should matter to developers/publishers of sim racing games to acquire those licenses before their competitors do. I'm sure you can criticize EA for not sharing something they paid for, but the games industry isn't a nice little game of hacky-sack, it's a constant competition to provide the best product. EA doesn't have to share their advantages with Microsoft anymore than Turn 10 should share their code with Slightly Mad.
I can't imagine EA sending out a press release, "we really wanted to make a Warhammer 40k game, but THQ and Relic have exclusivity and won't let us, for shame."
I remember when the car list came out for GT5. A lot bunch of people were like "No Porsches? Screw this! At least Forza 4 will have them!"... Man that sucks.
Although, yeah, I don't care about Porsches too.
That sucks. I mean It's fine that EA does whatever with their license but exclusivity licenses for what is basically badges in the game totally suck. Having Porsche's in Shift or any of the other NFS franchises doesn't lead me to buy one over the other, and in my opinion it's not even the right badge to take exclusivity either since Porsche's are not really dream supercars (maybe Carrera GT or 918 Spyder) but compared to Lambo or Ferrari, they don't have that 14 year old allure that you want in a racing game. I'm generally a devils advocate for what EA does in most cases, and I understand the whole "Well we bought this, so we should probably make better use of it rather than throwing it away" but it still just sucks. Maybe Turn 10 can release a bunch of cars with the same characteristics of 911's and Boxters but just in a different body shape and different badge, I'd be happy with that.
A couple of years ago McDonalds bought Boston Market and sort of sabotaged it because they believed that people chose Boston Market rotisserie chicken meals over their new chicken sandwiches. It made zero sense with that and this situation with EA and Forza makes zero sense. A car manufacturer being in a racing game is not the deciding factor when choosing a game. Yes would I have loved to see, for example Ferrari, in Hot Pursuit? Yes, but them not being in the game didn't influence my choice in any way. Porche being in Forza or not won't be the deciding factor in whether you get Shift and/or Run. It will be the merits of the game.
@Valru said:
EA is doing nothing with their Porsche license. Forza 3: 35 Porsche models NEED FOR SPEED - Shift 2: 10 Porsche models NEED FOR SPEED - The Run: 5 Porsche models Shift 3 is not coming since EA has cut of Slightly Mad Studio's funding and support for Shift2, they have also said they cannot release patches because EA doesn't have the time to Q/A them. Meanwhile, neither iRacing on PC, Forza 4 on the 360, or GT5 on the PS3 have Porsche cars.
If that's the case then wouldn't it be easier for Turn 10 to go directly to Porsche and point out that they do a better job of representing their brand than EA. I'm sure the guys at Porsche would be able to apply some pressure on EA to get them to play nice.
I'm not a huge Forza player, but I've dabbled, and I think the absence of Porches would be noticeable to even a minor car-enthusiast.
It's not really used for weed. More like tobacco. I suppose some people use it for that in the US, but predominantly, it's been around for centuries, and it's used for tobacco.@PrivateIronTFU said:
@GreggD: Uh...that's what it is...so yes, that's what I'm calling it. Here, let me help you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HookahI always thought it was just a multi-person bong. Well, whatever. Not like I need to know the specifics on weed and its tools.
No your Porsche is Unleashed!
This is the same reason Gran Turismo 3 didn't have real Porsches if I remember correctly. EA also licensed WWII jeeps which is why the Company of Heroes jeeps are slightly off modelled and have the internet famous 3A5UX5 (EA SUCKS) on their textures.
Remember when everybody seemed to really dislike EA for a long time? Then all of a sudden things went quiet for the hate towards them and Activision came along and basically became what we feared EA would become, and by comparision along with the general 'not doing super dumb things for a while' EA started looking alright again. Lately EA is doing nothing but looking dumb again though, huge spike in dumb really.
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