Anyone who is not legally blind can see that Killzone 2 is the best looking game on a console so far.  So in a "best graphics award" for E3, either Killzone 2 or Crysis would win right?  Because Crysis has the best graphics on the PC and Killzone 2 has the best graphics on the console.... not according to IGN, they give it to Gears of War 2....................................................................  Don't get me wrong, Gears of War 2 looks great, but it is not in the same ballpark as Killzone 2.  If you think this is a joke here is the link

http://games.ign.com/articles/893/893833p4.html

I really like IGN but I think their credability went straight downhill...  Is it just ignorance?  Or does everyone over there hate the PS3 that much other then the Playstation channel?

all this garbage about credibility is stupid.

Killzone 2 has an extremely bland color palette even in the world of colorless games that we live in today. Personally, I find many games more appealing than Killzone 2 in terms of visuals just because of the color scheme.

Have you seen both of them in action? Didn't think so.

"Anyone who is not legally blind can see that Killzone 2 is the best looking game on a console so far.  So in a "best graphics award" for E3, either Killzone 2 or Crysis would win right?  Because Crysis has the best graphics on the PC and Killzone 2 has the best graphics on the console.... not according to IGN, they give it to Gears of War 2....................................................................  Don't get me wrong, Gears of War 2 looks great, but it is not in the same ballpark as Killzone 2.  If you think this is a joke here is the link

http://games.ign.com/articles/893/893833p4.html

I really like IGN but I think their credability went straight downhill...  Is is just ignorance?  Or does everyone over there hate the PS3 that much other then the Playstation channel?
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"Have you seen both of them in action? Didn't think so.
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"Snipes424 said:

"Anyone who is not legally blind can see that Killzone 2 is the best looking game on a console so far.  So in a "best graphics award" for E3, either Killzone 2 or Crysis would win right?  Because Crysis has the best graphics on the PC and Killzone 2 has the best graphics on the console.... not according to IGN, they give it to Gears of War 2....................................................................  Don't get me wrong, Gears of War 2 looks great, but it is not in the same ballpark as Killzone 2.  If you think this is a joke here is the link

http://games.ign.com/articles/893/893833p4.html

I really like IGN but I think their credability went straight downhill...  Is is just ignorance?  Or does everyone over there hate the PS3 that much other then the Playstation channel?
"

Ignorance? no. I would say more fanboyism on your part. Just because your system has blu-ray doesnt mean that it HAS to have the game with the best graphics. "

"lucas_kelly said:

"Have you seen both of them in action? Didn't think so.
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What gears of war 2 and Killzone 2?  I've seen them both in action.........
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"Snipes424 said:

"lucas_kelly said:

"Have you seen both of them in action? Didn't think so.
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What gears of war 2 and Killzone 2?  I've seen them both in action.........
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I'm not talking about videos, I'm talking about actually seeing them be played or playing them yourself.
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I've seen the HD gameplay videos of both KZ2 and Gears 2 ... I don't know how anyone could say KZ2 looks better than Gears.

It doesn't. Just look at the footage. KZ2 doesn't look bad. It's just not at the level that Gears is.

Gametrailers gave Killzone 2 best graphics and they are major fanboys over there so.....

But yeah, nothing can touch gears 2's animation or scale

I think Killzone 2 looks better than Gears of War 2, but guess what thats my opinion.

To Brucie about your last statement, I think R2 may have something to say about that.

It's not a matter of opinion. Gears 2 looks factually better than KZ2. The environments are more vivid and detailed. Horizons are more realistic. Character models are more detailed. Lighting effects are more pronounced and realistic. Destructible cover, more unique enemies, larger-scale battles, more unique weapons.

Face it -- KZ2 looks like a CoD 4 knockoff. Gears 2 has established itself as its own franchise with its own identity. Killzone was a generic me-too shooter on PS2, and looks like it will be another generic me-too shooter on PS3.

I don't even own a 360, and I can see this.

Why am I even in this thread. Time to go.

Gears of War has alot of enemies on screen at once, so maybe that played as a factor in their decision

Both games look good, but on a technical level Gears of War 2 is the best looking game, on consoles that is. Also you have to look at other factors such as size, and the number of things going onscreen at once.

eh. It's a matter of opinion. They're probably just more hotly anticipating GeoW2, and as of thus, think it has the best graphics they've seen this year. That's fine. I personally don't think the graphics look that great, but they technically have a right to an opinion.

"Killzone 2 has an extremely bland color palette even in the world of colorless games that we live in today. Personally, I find many games more appealing than Killzone 2 in terms of visuals just because of the color scheme.
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I dont agree with thier decision but I'm sure everyone will have their own opinion, but dont take it to seriously, they're not making you beleive something, only telling their beleives.

E3 Awards are very silly in the first place. They give awards to games that are not even half way done development, they can end up being crap, etc. The very idea of awarding an incomplete product sounds silly to me.

Also, Killzone 2 won in 2007 for "Special Commendation for Graphics" (Game Critics Awards 2007) Do we really need to give same awards to the same games every year?

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A developer on KZ2 said, during the 25 min presentation in Leipzig 2007, that the first level alone takes up 2 GB of data, which means that only 2 levels in Killzone 2 uses the same amount of space as an entire DVD, which is the disc format on which Gears 2 is produced. The developer also explained that the high amount of polygons in each level as well as characters makes it impossible to create on any other platform or disc format. This means that the characters and environments WILL consist of FAR more polygons and high-res textures than those in Gears of war 2, and as a result look better (we’re not discussing design here).

Its just ignorance to think that those 45 GB of extra disc space will be used to squeeze in 30-40 extra levels, instead of making it look as good as possible.

I absolutely love Gears, and can’t wait for the sequel. But the Unreal engine is getting old and Epic is limited by the DVD disc space. Killzone 2 is and will be a better looking game. No question about it.

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Well, I’m absolutely no fanboy since I own all platforms and play all AAA titles no matter which platform they’re released on.

I absolutely loved the first Gears, as I mentioned, which should have also indicated that fact.

I haven’t played Lair, so I can’t really say anything about it. But I HAVE played MGS4, and can tell you that there is nothing on xbox that even comes close. The amount of textures, polygons, animations as well as the quality of all those, (have you really played through MGS4?) exceeds any game on Microsoft’s console, and I think for a reason other than “uncompressed files”.

I love the 360, but to think that it could produce something as good looking as MGS4 (or KZ2) is not something you could convince me of, just by calling me a fool.

I’m not really sure why you even doubt the graphic quality of KZ2.

Personally I think it would be very, very strange if a game which is made exclusively for a more powerful console, which is in desperate need of showing of that power instead of just talking about it, didn’t look better. It’s just logical.

I would have given the Award to Mirror's Edge myself, now that looked like the happy vibrant world I'm looking for :).

"Chojin said:

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A developer on KZ2 said, during the 25 min presentation in Leipzig 2007, that the first level alone takes up 2 GB of data, which means that only 2 levels in Killzone 2 uses the same amount of space as an entire DVD, which is the disc format on which Gears 2 is produced. The developer also explained that the high amount of polygons in each level as well as characters makes it impossible to create on any other platform or disc format. This means that the characters and environments WILL consist of FAR more polygons and high-res textures than those in Gears of war 2, and as a result look better (we’re not discussing design here).

Its just ignorance to think that those 45 GB of extra disc space will be used to squeeze in 30-40 extra levels, instead of making it look as good as possible.

I absolutely love Gears, and can’t wait for the sequel. But the Unreal engine is getting old and Epic is limited by the DVD disc space. Killzone 2 is and will be a better looking game. No question about it.

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Fool

They just say that for impact, its because they don't compress anything

Think about it...LAIR was 16.9GB on BluRay...now tell me...LAIR look better or bigger than Gears?

Your a damn fanboy, Bluray is a joke, MGS4 would fit on 2 DVDs with compression, it just wouldnt do 1080p naturally because all PS3 games are just a pile of Uncompressed HD files
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"I would have given the Award to Mirror's Edge myself, now that looked like the happy vibrant world I'm looking for :)."

Color Pallettes aside,Gears and Killzone aren't even the same kind of shooter to begin with. Certain elements of the way the visuals look are that way for a reason. But no,as good as Gears looks,it isn't better looking than KZ2,and no i'm not a fanboy of any console,I love both. Reguardless of the bland colors honestly in both of the games(even though gears went a bit brighter this time) Killzone 2 is hands down better looking,its not even a debate. As far as at the moment even now,MGS4 looks better than Gears 2 will look though.

People also need to realize the engines that people are rendering for,Gears 2 changes the lighting so it looks less "realistic" and more like a cinematic movie(quote from cliff) and the unreal engine looks great for creating monsters and sci-fi worlds,however killzone is taking a more photo realistic approach similar to Cod4(just look at the gun models in first person view,no gun model to date looks that good.)  So as I said before,these aren't really games to compare because of genre to begin with,they make choices because of that reason.

Color Pallettes aside,Gears and Killzone aren't even the same kind of shooter to begin with. Certain elements of the way the visuals look are that way for a reason. But no,as good as Gears looks,it isn't better looking than KZ2,and no i'm not a fanboy of any console,I love both. Reguardless of the bland colors honestly in both of the games(even though gears went a bit brighter this time) Killzone 2 is hands down better looking,its not even a debate. As far as at the moment even now,MGS4 looks better than Gears 2 will look though.

People also need to realize the engines that people are rendering for,Gears 2 changes the lighting so it looks less "realistic" and more like a cinematic movie(quote from cliff) and the unreal engine looks great for creating monsters and sci-fi worlds,however killzone is taking a more photo realistic approach similar to Cod4(just look at the gun models in first person view,no gun model to date looks that good.)  So as I said before,these aren't really games to compare because of genre to begin with,they make choices because of that reason.

Think about it...LAIR was 16.9GB on BluRay...now tell me...LAIR look better or bigger than Gears?

I tried to find some polycount info on Lair, since you implied that Gears looks so much better.

I found and interesting blog about the polycount of game character models, made by Rick Stirling, a character artist.

On his list were both Gears of war and Lair.

Marcus from Gears uses 15 000 polygons with diffuse, specular and normal maps, while the main dragon plus its rider from Lair uses 150 000 polygons.

A 16x16KM scene from Lair uses 134 MILLION polygons (streamed into memory, not loaded at run time), which is also kind of mind blowing. And that’s just a shitty release game.

Are you sure that Gears is SO much better looking? Cause 135 000 extra polygons on the main character alone means A LOT when you’re building a 3D model.

The most interesting fact on his list (had nothing to do with our discussion) was Resident Evil 4 to GC, where is built using 10 000 polygons. THAT is amazing!

"Anyone who is not legally blind can see that Killzone 2 is the best looking game on a console so far.  So in a "best graphics award" for E3, either Killzone 2 or Crysis would win right?  Because Crysis has the best graphics on the PC and Killzone 2 has the best graphics on the console.... not according to IGN, they give it to Gears of War 2....................................................................  Don't get me wrong, Gears of War 2 looks great, but it is not in the same ballpark as Killzone 2.  If you think this is a joke here is the link

http://games.ign.com/articles/893/893833p4.html

I really like IGN but I think their credability went straight downhill...  Is it just ignorance?  Or does everyone over there hate the PS3 that much other then the Playstation channel?
"

IGN game of the show awards were all complete garbage. Everything was out of place and unprofessionally set. 1UP's awards were far more agreeable then IGN's this year.

Killzone 2 looks great, but lets face it, its too much grey. Dont know whether it has something to do with the level they were showcasing. And Gears 2 is not all colorful either, but its not grey, its just unsaturated.

"Killzone 2 looks great, but lets face it, its too much grey. Dont know whether it has something to do with the level they were showcasing. And Gears 2 is not all colorful either, but its not grey, its just unsaturated.
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"Killzone 2 looks great, but lets face it, its too much grey. Dont know whether it has something to do with the level they were showcasing. And Gears 2 is not all colorful either, but its not grey, its just unsaturated.
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Yeah, Fallout is more... brownish grayish.

To the people that say the colour palette in Gears 2 is better than Killzone 2, yes, you're right, but that would count as better design and variety, not better graphics. Compare a dark, grey level of Gears 2 to  the levels of Killzone 2, and you have a better match.

When it all comes down to it KZ2 just looks better, and thats fact.

Fucking fanboys why does it matter!!!

killzone 2, and gears 2 got nothing on crysis warhead come on here technically crysis has to win....

"killzone 2, and gears 2 got nothing on crysis warhead come on here technically crysis has to win....
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"Killzone 2 has an extremely bland color palette even in the world of colorless games that we live in today. Personally, I find many games more appealing than Killzone 2 in terms of visuals just because of the color scheme.
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Killzone 2 looks bad, is far far less then the CGI prerender they showed in 2005 and is surpassed in every way by gears of war 2, heres a keyword you disagree with the assesment because you dont like it, not because its factually wrong...ect

I personally feel Killzone 2 looks better than Gears.

"Killzone 2 looks bad, is far far less then the CGI prerender they showed in 2005 and is surpassed in every way by gears of war 2, heres a keyword you disagree with the assesment because you dont like it, not because its factually wrong...ect"

"Killzone 2 looks bad, is far far less then the CGI prerender they showed in 2005 and is surpassed in every way by gears of war 2, heres a keyword you disagree with the assesment because you dont like it, not because its factually wrong...ect

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"carzy said:

"killzone 2, and gears 2 got nothing on crysis warhead come on here technically crysis has to win....
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You're comparing PC to consoles, lmfao.

Crysis > Killzone 2 > Gears 2

Gears 2 has nothing on Crysis or KZ2, just watch the footage. It's beautiful but its really bland in terms of texture quality. KZ2 and Crysis? They are VERY close.

And this is a game 6 months away from release, lol.
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I think anyone taking IGN seriously should be shot. But anyway, I really think Gears 2 showed a lot better at E3. The color pallet is much more diverse than the greys and blacks found in Killzone. Gears 2 showed a sense of war going on around you and I saw nothing to make me think that of Killzone 2. Don't get me wrong, Killzone still looks awesome and it may even finally break me down and make me buy a PS3 but I still think Gears 2 looked better.

Both games look great....isn't that enough for you fanboyz? Can't you guys live in peace?

"I think anyone taking IGN seriously should be shot. But anyway, I really think Gears 2 showed a lot better at E3. The color pallet is much more diverse than the greys and blacks found in Killzone. Gears 2 showed a sense of war going on around you and I saw nothing to make me think that of Killzone 2. Don't get me wrong, Killzone still looks awesome and it may even finally break me down and make me buy a PS3 but I still think Gears 2 looked better.
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"When it all comes down to it KZ2 just looks better, and thats fact.
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