http://justtalkingpodcast.com/2013/02/07/revisiting-with-patrick-klepek/

@patrickklepek was on the Just Talking Podcast, and it's a really good conversation. They touch on a whole host of topics and discusse the whole Patrick hate.

Yeah I just finished it.  It's great. 

Thanks for the tip-off.

Thanks for the tip, this could be really interesting.

I'm just going through it now, seems interesting.

This could either be really great or really fucking bad.

Discuss the Patrick hate? That must be kind of an awkward thing to talk about.

@Lukeweizer Um, I'm still getting through that. But, he's kinda just talking about how he talks at the menus too much, rather than playing the game. He seems to be ignoring a lot..

Patrick isn't even the worst of menu talk, not while Ryan is around.

WATCH THAT ROCK BAND BLITZ QL! Jeff was close to choking him.

Thanks for the heads up. May give this a listen later.

I'll say this, I've been going through old GFW radio, and Patrick was on the 1UP E3 2007 issues. I'm still on Day 2. ~ Patrick would of been 20 back then? Garnett was hosting the E3 issues, with Shoe onboard. But Patrick sure wasn't as annoying back then.

1UP has always been a little Way more serious, even though they got stupid-crazy in GFW radio with Molloy and Elliot. Grandpa Green always brought back to the serious subject. Patrick just has free reign here.

I bet he's gonna say something along the lines that we arent mature enough to appreciate him.

Edit: Nope, he didnt touch that one.

I got bored, I heard enough.

@Alekss said:

I bet he's gonna say something along the lines that we arent mature enough to appreciate him.

Patrick is probably the nicest guy on the crew after Vinny (talking main 5 here) so no, he's probably not going to say that.

but hey unjustified resentment is cool too!

@Animasta said:

but hey unjustified resentment is cool too!

Are you saying I have unjustified resentment? I have many reasons to dislike him. I don't start attacking him tho...

@Alekss said:

@Animasta said:

but hey unjustified resentment is cool too!

Are you saying I have unjustified resentment? I have many reasons to dislike him. I don't start attacking him tho...

you just insinuated that Patrick places all the blame on people not liking him on other people when he is well aware of his faults, because people like you tell him constantly, and he is perfectly humble about it (I know this because I've read his twitter/formspring/tumblr/whatever)

all of them have faults, but none of them are brought up as much as Patrick's are.

@Alekss said:

@Animasta said:

but hey unjustified resentment is cool too!

Are you saying I have unjustified resentment? I have many reasons to dislike him. I don't start attacking him tho...

REASON #1 hair

REASON #2 laugh

REASON #3 horror movies suck

REASON #4 i dont like dinosaurs

@Animasta said:

@Alekss said:

@Animasta said:

but hey unjustified resentment is cool too!

Are you saying I have unjustified resentment? I have many reasons to dislike him. I don't start attacking him tho...

you just insinuated that Patrick places all the blame on people not liking him on other people when he is well aware of his faults, because people like you tell him constantly, and he is perfectly humble about it (I know this because I've read his twitter/formspring/tumblr/whatever)

all of them have faults, but none of them are brought up as much as Patrick's are.

And I think he does. I am convinced he believes that the reason people disagreed with him on the sexism subject is because they are imature and sexist, but he will never say that. Some people were obviously imature in the way they reacted but not all of them.

Also, his sharp whine he does when he gets excited in the middle of a quick look pierces thru my ears.

@RockyRaccoon37 said:

@Alekss said:

@Animasta said:

but hey unjustified resentment is cool too!

Are you saying I have unjustified resentment? I have many reasons to dislike him. I don't start attacking him tho...

REASON #1 hair

REASON #2 laugh

REASON #3 horror movies suck

REASON #4 i dont like dinosaurs

What kind of madman doesn't like dinosaurs!?

Patrick is a rad dude.

What? Patrick Klepek said or did something!?

@Animasta said:

@Alekss said:

@Animasta said:

but hey unjustified resentment is cool too!

Are you saying I have unjustified resentment? I have many reasons to dislike him. I don't start attacking him tho...

you just insinuated that Patrick places all the blame on people not liking him on other people when he is well aware of his faults, because people like you tell him constantly, and he is perfectly humble about it (I know this because I've read his twitter/formspring/tumblr/whatever)

all of them have faults, but none of them are brought up as much as Patrick's are.

Bite your tongue! Vinny is a perfect human being.

Very big of him to at least acknowledge it and talk about it

@Alekss said:

@Animasta said:

@Alekss said:

@Animasta said:

but hey unjustified resentment is cool too!

Are you saying I have unjustified resentment? I have many reasons to dislike him. I don't start attacking him tho...

you just insinuated that Patrick places all the blame on people not liking him on other people when he is well aware of his faults, because people like you tell him constantly, and he is perfectly humble about it (I know this because I've read his twitter/formspring/tumblr/whatever)

all of them have faults, but none of them are brought up as much as Patrick's are.

And I think he does. I am convinced he believes that the reason people disagreed with him on the sexism subject is because they are imature and sexist, but he will never say that. Some people were obviously imature in the way they reacted but not all of them.

you might not be wrong about that

http://patrickhatesformspring.tumblr.com/post/41728869370/my-2-cents-on-how-you-should-have-spotlighted-men-on#notes

http://patrickhatesformspring.tumblr.com/post/41727552447/in-your-recent-article-i-wish-you-would-have-got-both#notes

Hmm, thanks for the link!

@mrfluke:

Anonymous asked:in your recent article I wish you would have got both sides of the story and not one

Patrick answered: I believe that other side was well represented in the comments.

Wow.

@RazielCuts said:

@mrfluke:

Anonymous asked:in your recent article I wish you would have got both sides of the story and not one

Patrick answered: I believe that other side was well represented in the comments.

Wow.

Implying that despite the crazy internet madness that there were some good points made, or that the "other side" consists of crazy internet madmen?

Yep. This thread turned to really fucking bad real quick.

@RazielCuts said:

@mrfluke:

Anonymous asked:in your recent article I wish you would have got both sides of the story and not one

Patrick answered: I believe that other side was well represented in the comments.

Wow.

i dont hate patrick like most here, but responses like that, really annoys me that he would generalize like that.

i took him to task about that stuff as i dont believe in generalizing like that at all

http://patrickhatesformspring.tumblr.com/post/42365417750/im-very-sorry-that-happened-to-that-user-duskvamp-as#notes

and then i sent a follow up response saying that hes right its definitely not the rule on the internet and i digress , BUT, i dont believe in generalizing giantbombs community based off the reception to those articles,

and i never got a response back, maybe he didnt get to it? whos to say.

but i stand behind my words though, i dont believe we're all assholes just cause of the reception to those articles, and that this community is one of the best around on the internet.

@Ravenlight: probably the other side (the dudes) consists of crazy internet madmen

@mrfluke said:

but i stand behind my words though, i dont believe we're all assholes just cause of the reception to those articles, and that this community is one of the best around on the internet.

And he think so too. Listen to the podcast and you will hear that he think that the community is a really awesome place. The best one he's been a part of he says. I think he is well aware that comments don't represent everyone on Giantbomb.

is the mic bad through-out the entire podcast ?

@Pr1mus said:

@RockyRaccoon37 said:

@Alekss said:

@Animasta said:

but hey unjustified resentment is cool too!

Are you saying I have unjustified resentment? I have many reasons to dislike him. I don't start attacking him tho...

REASON #1 hair

REASON #2 laugh

REASON #3 horror movies suck

REASON #4 i dont like dinosaurs

What kind of madman doesn't like dinosaurs!?

I don't know, but they'd have to be a real troglodyte.

BOOOOOOOOM!

Dinosaur Horror Films.

@RockyRaccoon37: I like how you had to post that twice, just the learn the ins and outs of the Parchment system.

@Dogma said:

@mrfluke said:

but i stand behind my words though, i dont believe we're all assholes just cause of the reception to those articles, and that this community is one of the best around on the internet.

And he think so too. Listen to the podcast and you will hear that he think that the community is a really awesome place. The best one he's been a part of he says. I think he is well aware that comments don't represent everyone on Giantbomb.

then i think that type of talk should be surfaced more on giantbomb or on his tumblr or in his stories.

see thats a core problem that gets him all the flak, he's a very opinionated person, but he doesnt give enough nuance to his opinion, and if hes the news/opinionated guy, then i think its absolutely on him to give as much nuance to his opinions as possible, especially if hes going to mix opinions into news, and DEFINITELY when doing discussion pieces

@mrfluke said:

@Dogma said:

@mrfluke said:

but i stand behind my words though, i dont believe we're all assholes just cause of the reception to those articles, and that this community is one of the best around on the internet.

And he think so too. Listen to the podcast and you will hear that he think that the community is a really awesome place. The best one he's been a part of he says. I think he is well aware that comments don't represent everyone on Giantbomb.

then i think that type of talk should be surfaced more on giantbomb or on his tumblr or in his stories.

see thats a core problem that gets him all the flak, he's a very opinionated person, but he doesnt give enough nuance to his opinion, and if hes the news/opinionated guy, then i think its absolutely on him to give as much nuance to his opinions as possible, especially if hes going to mix opinions into news, and DEFINITELY when doing discussion pieces

Listen, I'm not trying to call you out - in fact I'm going to say that I'm not calling you out at all, and this is just a point I'd like to make - but that's some of the worst backtracking I've ever heard. A fair chunk of the complaints against Patrick are because he puts his opinion into pieces, which continues to baffle me to no end. There is no nuance to the hate because they just don't like his opinions, so him being more opinionated isn't the solution to getting people to start liking his stories.

And so, continue. Just thought it was worth mentioning.

@GrantHeaslip said:

I skipped through that show and was pleasantly surprised with his introspection. My issues with Patrick are pretty minor, but I really don’t want to have those. I think the guy legitimately means well, and I don’t want to avoid his quick looks or cringe when he goes overboard on the podcast. I think he’s been improving, and it sounds like he differentiates between the haters and reasonable critics more than I assumed he did.

@mrfluke said:

@RazielCuts said:

@mrfluke:

Anonymous asked:in your recent article I wish you would have got both sides of the story and not one

Patrick answered: I believe that other side was well represented in the comments.

Wow.

i dont hate patrick like most here, but responses like that, really annoys me that he would generalize like that.

i took him to task about that stuff as i dont believe in generalizing like that at all

http://patrickhatesformspring.tumblr.com/post/42365417750/im-very-sorry-that-happened-to-that-user-duskvamp-as#notes

and then i sent a follow up response saying that hes right its definitely not the rule on the internet and i digress , BUT, i dont believe in generalizing giantbombs community based off the reception to those articles,

and i never got a response back, maybe he didnt get to it? whos to say.

but i stand behind my words though, i dont believe we're all assholes just cause of the reception to those articles, and that this community is one of the best around on the internet.

That reply you linked to (“I’m not doubting there are great examples of men and women interacting and conversing peacefully on the Internet, but it’s definitely not the rule.”) is kind of nuts. Men and women interacting peacefully on the internet is absolutely, inarguably the rule. Even in the case of gaming sites, which are probably the only place I’ve really seen things get weird, it’s a tiny minority that are the problem.

I don’t want to read into it too much more because it may not have been what he meant. I really hope it’s not.

hence my point on a legitimate criticism on patrick. dude needs to give more nuance whenever he voices an opinion.

Nothing could make me like this guy. I don't feverishly hate him, but he's just annoying in my opinion.

@SirOptimusPrime said:

@mrfluke said:

@Dogma said:

@mrfluke said:

but i stand behind my words though, i dont believe we're all assholes just cause of the reception to those articles, and that this community is one of the best around on the internet.

And he think so too. Listen to the podcast and you will hear that he think that the community is a really awesome place. The best one he's been a part of he says. I think he is well aware that comments don't represent everyone on Giantbomb.

then i think that type of talk should be surfaced more on giantbomb or on his tumblr or in his stories.

see thats a core problem that gets him all the flak, he's a very opinionated person, but he doesnt give enough nuance to his opinion, and if hes the news/opinionated guy, then i think its absolutely on him to give as much nuance to his opinions as possible, especially if hes going to mix opinions into news, and DEFINITELY when doing discussion pieces

Listen, I'm not trying to call you out - in fact I'm going to say that I'm not calling you out at all, and this is just a point I'd like to make - but that's some of the worst backtracking I've ever heard. A fair chunk of the complaints against Patrick are because he puts his opinion into pieces, which continues to baffle me to no end. There is no nuance to the hate because they just don't like his opinions, so him being more opinionated isn't the solution to getting people to start liking his stories.

And so, continue. Just thought it was worth mentioning.

ur right thats one of the big things that bothers people, but just judging off the numerous responses off his tumblr, it seems he has no intention of stopping that, thats why i didnt mention that,

but i dont see whats so wrong about him covering all his grounds. if he stands for one side of a topic, would it really be bad if he at least acknowledges the other side instead of coming off as a be all end all opinion that gets people so riled up? or to the very least decrease the tone in his articles?

to the very least what im trying to say is his style of writing could definitely improve and would draw less ire from people. just look at the guns of navarro articles as an example of articles that the community adores., its an opinionated piece, but alex takes a lot more neutral tone than the agressive opinion shoving tone that i think comes off in patricks writing. and the community loves alex's articles.

Sweet thanks for the heads up.

Discussing internet hate is pointless. Because in some cases that hate is justified. In other cases not. But regardless of which it is, the subject of that hate can always fall back on "Oh people just don't like new things." It's unreasonable to expect that the subject of hate will ever look into it any more than that. Why would they? They can only be disappointed with what they find.

@Alekss said:

@Animasta said:

@Alekss said:

@Animasta said:

but hey unjustified resentment is cool too!

Are you saying I have unjustified resentment? I have many reasons to dislike him. I don't start attacking him tho...

you just insinuated that Patrick places all the blame on people not liking him on other people when he is well aware of his faults, because people like you tell him constantly, and he is perfectly humble about it (I know this because I've read his twitter/formspring/tumblr/whatever)

all of them have faults, but none of them are brought up as much as Patrick's are.

And I think he does. I am convinced he believes that the reason people disagreed with him on the sexism subject is because they are imature and sexist, but he will never say that. Some people were obviously imature in the way they reacted but not all of them.

Also, his sharp whine he does when he gets excited in the middle of a quick look pierces thru my ears.

It's 'immature', not 'imature'. Just saying you might wanna actually know how to spell something (or at least learn how to use the in-browser spellchecker) before you call someone out for it. Otherwise, you look like an uneducated twat whose argument shouldn't be taken seriously.

@mrfluke: What constitutes a nuanced opinion? Second-guessing and explaining that the people on the other side of the argument have a different-yet-equally-valid opinion, even if that's not what the writer believes? I believe an opinion article should express an opinion without having to equivocate and pander to readers.

@mrfluke said:

@SirOptimusPrime said:

@mrfluke said:

@Dogma said:

@mrfluke said:

but i stand behind my words though, i dont believe we're all assholes just cause of the reception to those articles, and that this community is one of the best around on the internet.

And he think so too. Listen to the podcast and you will hear that he think that the community is a really awesome place. The best one he's been a part of he says. I think he is well aware that comments don't represent everyone on Giantbomb.

then i think that type of talk should be surfaced more on giantbomb or on his tumblr or in his stories.

see thats a core problem that gets him all the flak, he's a very opinionated person, but he doesnt give enough nuance to his opinion, and if hes the news/opinionated guy, then i think its absolutely on him to give as much nuance to his opinions as possible, especially if hes going to mix opinions into news, and DEFINITELY when doing discussion pieces

Listen, I'm not trying to call you out - in fact I'm going to say that I'm not calling you out at all, and this is just a point I'd like to make - but that's some of the worst backtracking I've ever heard. A fair chunk of the complaints against Patrick are because he puts his opinion into pieces, which continues to baffle me to no end. There is no nuance to the hate because they just don't like his opinions, so him being more opinionated isn't the solution to getting people to start liking his stories.

And so, continue. Just thought it was worth mentioning.

ur right thats one of the big things that bothers people, but just judging off the numerous responses off his tumblr, it seems he has no intention of stopping that, thats why i didnt mention that,

but i dont see whats so wrong about him covering all his grounds. if he stands for one side of a topic, would it really be bad if he at least acknowledges the other side instead of coming off as a be all end all opinion that gets people so riled up? or to the very least decrease the tone in his articles?

to the very least his style of writing could definitely improve, just look at the guns of navarro articles as an example of articles that the community adores., its an opinionated piece, but alex takes a lot more neutral tone than the agressive opinion shoving tone that i think comes off in patricks writing. and the community loves alex's articles.

So he should just write like Alex. I believe the point of Giantbomb is to have a selection of very opinionated individuals each with with their own distinct tastes, tales, and writing styles. At least that's why I come here, and my opinion is always correct.

And really, being neutral is so easy; I respect someone like Patrick who is willing to be vocal with his passions and opinions, because it's only then that you have to deal with the lambasting of the vocal opposition. When you're willing to put yourself out there and expose how you feel, you are inviting attackers, and it takes a lot of courage to still go ahead and do it. A bunch of articles that just regurgitate information from other sources and present in a safe and neutral manner that appeals to the community would be so incredibly mind numbingly boring.

Fuck the Evil Dead remake, though.

@chrissedoff said:

@mrfluke: What constitutes a nuanced opinion? Second-guessing and explaining that the people on the other side of the argument have a different-yet-equally-valid opinion, even if that's not what the writer believes? I believe an opinion article should express an opinion without having to equivocate and pander to readers.

if thats what you believe, then let the war between the haters and the defenders continue on. i believe since hes an authority figure, he could do better in explaining the other side of a argument while maintaining his stance. ESPECIALLY when hes said that the point of those firestorm articles was to foster discussion about the issue.

@mrfluke: I don't think he has to cover all of his grounds, though. That implies that he's going to be pandering to a reader's opinion by essentially saying "imo" at the end of every one of his sentences. If he starts doing that, then the validity of his opinions goes down the tubes because he wants to play it "safe." He should say what he wants and not worry about the opposing opinion unless he wants to interact with the comment.

That's fine and dandy that the community loves Alex and his articles, but Patrick is not Alex and he shouldn't have to insert a shitty witticism or snarky comment just so people like him more. I don't understand this argument against him having an aggressive opinion, like at all. GiantBomb IS opinions, and especially polarizing ones.

@ThePaleKing said:

A bunch of articles that just regurgitate information from other sources and present in a safe and neutral manner that appeals to the community would be so incredibly mind numbingly boring.

And we had that. And his name was Brad Nicholson, and people gave him shit for not having an opinion and regurgitating information... whereas the community now gives Patrick shit for having aggressive opinions. Something they do not hold against Jeff, Alex, Ryan, or Brad on a daily basis.

note: I'm agreeing with you. Hard to convey via text :D

@ThePaleKing said:

@mrfluke said:

@SirOptimusPrime said:

@mrfluke said:

@Dogma said:

@mrfluke said:

but i stand behind my words though, i dont believe we're all assholes just cause of the reception to those articles, and that this community is one of the best around on the internet.

And he think so too. Listen to the podcast and you will hear that he think that the community is a really awesome place. The best one he's been a part of he says. I think he is well aware that comments don't represent everyone on Giantbomb.

then i think that type of talk should be surfaced more on giantbomb or on his tumblr or in his stories.

see thats a core problem that gets him all the flak, he's a very opinionated person, but he doesnt give enough nuance to his opinion, and if hes the news/opinionated guy, then i think its absolutely on him to give as much nuance to his opinions as possible, especially if hes going to mix opinions into news, and DEFINITELY when doing discussion pieces

Listen, I'm not trying to call you out - in fact I'm going to say that I'm not calling you out at all, and this is just a point I'd like to make - but that's some of the worst backtracking I've ever heard. A fair chunk of the complaints against Patrick are because he puts his opinion into pieces, which continues to baffle me to no end. There is no nuance to the hate because they just don't like his opinions, so him being more opinionated isn't the solution to getting people to start liking his stories.

And so, continue. Just thought it was worth mentioning.

ur right thats one of the big things that bothers people, but just judging off the numerous responses off his tumblr, it seems he has no intention of stopping that, thats why i didnt mention that,

but i dont see whats so wrong about him covering all his grounds. if he stands for one side of a topic, would it really be bad if he at least acknowledges the other side instead of coming off as a be all end all opinion that gets people so riled up? or to the very least decrease the tone in his articles?

to the very least his style of writing could definitely improve, just look at the guns of navarro articles as an example of articles that the community adores., its an opinionated piece, but alex takes a lot more neutral tone than the agressive opinion shoving tone that i think comes off in patricks writing. and the community loves alex's articles.

So he should just write like Alex. I believe the point of Giantbomb is to have a selection of very opinionated individuals each with with their own distinct tastes, tales, and writing styles. At least that's why I come here, and my opinion is always correct.

And really, being neutral is so easy; I respect someone like Patrick who is willing to be vocal with his passions and opinions, because it's only then that you have to deal with the lambasting of the vocal opposition. When you're willing to put yourself out there and expose how you feel, you are inviting attackers, and it takes a lot of courage to still go ahead and do it. A bunch of articles that just regurgitate information from other sources and present in a safe and neutral manner that appeals to the community would be so incredibly mind numbingly boring.

Fuck the Evil Dead remake, though.

im just looking at it from the perspective of observing what makes people hate patrick so much, and what he can do to lessen the noise and get more people willing to listen. cause obviously what alex is doing is working just looking at those comments on those stories people are engaging in the article and voicing their opinion, its exactly what patrick said he wanted to happen with his articles, and obviously what patrick does pisses off a imo decent sized group to where those comments on his stories become toxic,

i dont dismiss what your saying as u are right, as giantbomb is a personality driven website. we love these personalities, but i dont think theres enough people like you with that mindset though. hence why patrick gets shit

@SirOptimusPrime said:

@ThePaleKing said:

A bunch of articles that just regurgitate information from other sources and present in a safe and neutral manner that appeals to the community would be so incredibly mind numbingly boring.

And we had that. And his name was Brad Nicholson, and people gave him shit for not having an opinion and regurgitating information... whereas the community now gives Patrick shit for having aggressive opinions. Something they do not hold against Jeff, Alex, Ryan, or Brad on a daily basis.

note: I'm agreeing with you. Hard to convey via text :D

Yeah, that is a main point of why I get so aggravated. Jeff in particular is extremely opinionated (I mean he got Syndicate on the top 10 of the year list, with barely any discussion, and I hate the game but I love him for that), but there is no outcry over that, whereas everyone jumps on Patrick for it.