Yo, so I'm getting my first ever gaming PC. I told the dude in store I want a PC for games and games only and here's what he suggested. Please tell me if this configuration will last 2 years... is it good for right now?
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Please help with PC config.
no real budget limitation. I count it as a personal achievement. :)
The i7 is overkill as most games are not CPU bound. Watercooling is really not worth the cost/hassle unless you want to push the CPU really hard or want to try to build a silent machine (my i5 @3.3ghz ran at 40c on the stock cooler and 60c when I used the "turbo" button on the MSI board to run it at 4.2ghz - which when I put on an Arctic Freezer 13 on it dropped 10c for each of those - a fine temp to run at long term).
I'd go with an i5 2500 (sure, get the k version if you want to poke around with overclocking - but it's only going to buy you 1-3 FPS in 90+% of the games you play)... quoth:
"Take the Core i5-2500, add 2 MB of L3 cache, Hyper-Threading, and a 100 MHz bump across the board. What do you have? The Core i7-2600K
It doesn't sound like much of an improvement, and frankly it will make remarkably little difference when it comes to gaming. The $100 spread between the Core i5-2500K and Core i7-2600K is only recommended if you want to brag, because you're probably not going to notice any appreciable frame rate difference. The Core i7's strength is only really exploited in heavily-threaded workstation applications, rather than games."
This is from here.
8gb of RAM is nice, but hell if you are going to need it. 4gb will be fine for just gaming. Like OldGuy said, get the 2500k and save yourself a 100 bucks, drop the Water cooling unless you want to mad overclock, a $25 third party heatsink/cooler will do you fine for just messing about, and will be better then stock.
I have an overclocked 2600k. I'm still trying to find a game that will push the thing past 50% usage on a consistent basis. Nothing does. It's a great chip that runs cool as hell. It will last a LONG time. I agree that it's a bit overkill for only gaming, but the price is insanely good IMO.
The Ars Technica System Guide is a really good place to get some pointers if you're building it yourself. I bought all the components for the Hot Rod machine from that edition of the guide and it's great - fast enough to smoothly play any current game at 1920x1080 on max settings. It only cost around £800 too (about $1300 at current rates, assuming components are priced similarly on both sides of the Atlantic).
As others have said 4GB of RAM is plenty right now and I wouldn't bother overclocking that processor, it won't really be used. The upside of the consoles lasting so long this generation is that us PC gamers are getting a nice break as far as requirements to max games out.
One more thing guys: this is a pretty decent system, I'd say, what game should I get to really push it to see what it's worth? Crysis 2?
" @Chavtheworld said:Yeah apparently you're right (although I can't get on the link at the moment to check if what I read was true.)" If you're going all out might as well throw a GTX 590 in that beast rather than the 580. "That's not a great idea. It would probably cost less to put two 560ti in there and get the same level of performance. Dual-GPU cards are never worth it. "
" @Chavtheworld said:I personally have never been a fan of the current generation of dual GPU/card configurations as you generally only get a 30%-60% speed boost over a single card/GPU..." If you're going all out might as well throw a GTX 590 in that beast rather than the 580. "That's not a great idea. It would probably cost less to put two 560ti in there and get the same level of performance. Dual-GPU cards are never worth it. "
I also believe that it's a waste to spend more than $250 on your video card since you can replace it in 18 months or so (when it is starting to struggle just a bit - I haven't found the stress point on mine just yet.) with another $250 card that will be better than the $500 card that you would have bought today (unless you have a crazy big monitor that you want to run at insane resolutions maxed out with 8x/16x on all the time - or a three monitor surround setup)...
Don't get water cooling, you don't need to OC, and get a PS3 for blu ray. You said you wanted it for gaming only, why did he suggest a blu ray?
" @ShaunassNZ: No, I want blu ray cuz I'm gonna be using this in my office room when nobody will bother me (my wife is a loud motherfucker, can't watch movies with that woman.)Dude you'll be playing current games at the end of 2012 and still be on highest settings.@rebgav: Are you saying I'm gonna be able to play any current game on the highest settings?"
" @OracleXIII said:Well that's pretty much the point of getting a high end PC, right?" @ShaunassNZ: No, I want blu ray cuz I'm gonna be using this in my office room when nobody will bother me (my wife is a loud motherfucker, can't watch movies with that woman.)Dude you'll be playing current games at the end of 2012 and still be on highest settings. "@rebgav: Are you saying I'm gonna be able to play any current game on the highest settings?"
" @ShaunassNZ said:Yeah, and I was backing this guy. You could go far cheaper and still achieve this. If you get it like this, just don't look too much into hardware news, because you'll be tempted to get it even though you won't need anything for years." @OracleXIII said:Well that's pretty much the point of getting a high end PC, right? "" @ShaunassNZ: No, I want blu ray cuz I'm gonna be using this in my office room when nobody will bother me (my wife is a loud motherfucker, can't watch movies with that woman.)Dude you'll be playing current games at the end of 2012 and still be on highest settings. "@rebgav: Are you saying I'm gonna be able to play any current game on the highest settings?"
Do I need the case with the knobs to regulate fan speed? I know it's a dumb question, but as I said, no actual knowledge of PCs here.
" @ShaunassNZ: I am gonna follow your advice, no liquid cooling and regular i7. I'm so happy! "Hmm, I'd still get the K, because then you won't need to upgrade for years, and I mean YEARS. If you get a decent cooler like @rebgav: said, then you can do a little OC later on when you need it.
It will last you at least 2 years, more like 2.5 years.
Metro 2033 will put your rig to the limit. You will get averagely 27-35 frames per second. With sli of that card, you will get like 60 at all times.
You still can't play crysis at 60 frames with 16X AA regardless.
" Yo, so I'm getting my first ever gaming PC. I told the dude in store I want a PC for games and games only and here's what he suggested. Please tell me if this configuration will last 2 years... is it good for right now?Ive been running a dual core 2.3 OC to 2.8, 4gb ram, and a 8800 GTS with 320 meg for past 3 or so years, runs everything but crysis great. PC gaming isnt what it was 10 years ago. Doesnt get completely outdated every 2 years anymore.Core i7 2600K overclocked to 4.5ghz8GB ramIntel P67 motherboardGeForce GTX580 1.5gbwater cooling, Blu ray, all the bells and whistles."
I got a 580 a couple months ago or so and put it in the tower i've had for 2+ years already. It has one generation under the i-series, it's a core 2 duo and 4 gigs of ram and with the new video card I plan on that lasting me 3 more years.
Personally, if I was building one right now today, I would definitely get an i7. as a matter of fact i would get this i7 specifically. i5's are good processors and they have a great price/performance ratio, but they are considered a budget line. Also agree that water cooling isn't really necessary but I wouldn't be afraid of it either, they make some really nice kits these days and it's no harder to hook up than it is to clip on a regular fan-based cpu cooler. Antec makes some really nice cases, that one at the top there is really nice and really popular, i would also go with that if i was building one right now.
but to answer your question, yes that rig would absolutely last you 2 years and then some. You could play every game right now at max settings and will be able to for a while, by the time that thing starts to struggle you'll be thinking about Windows 9 and a shiny new DirectX 13 card
Hmm, most of the time I have no idea what you guys are talkin about. :) And I was just about to ask whether there's a difference when plugging in thru DVI or HDMI...
My videocard is connected to my hdtv I use as a monitor so I could check. I find the colors a bit darker with dvi. Then again my cable is dvi to hdmi, but that's my observation anways. Argue how i'm wrong for all I care, I know what i'm looking at. I see alot more variance of greys.
It will last you at least 2 years, more like 2.5 years.Metro 2033 will put your rig to the limit. You will get averagely 27-35 frames per second. With sli of that card, you will get like 60 at all times. You still can't play crysis at 60 frames with 16X AA regardless.What about games like Dragon Age 2 and Witcher 2?
i3 - 2/2
i5 - 2/4 or 4/4
i7 - 4/8 or 6/12
i5 and i7 also have some integrated graphics processing technology for the mobile platforms.
@OracleXIII: In terms of picture quality there is no difference between DVI and HDMI, essentially HDMI is DVI plus audio. I prefer to DVI though as on my last 2 monitors the HDMI doesn't put my monitor into sleep mode when I shut my PC down so I get a message on the screen telling me I have no input but the DVI does so I don't get annoying messages on my screen.
Here is a video, not sure what the cpu is, but it's not choppy. So I think it should be okay with your rig.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNUfEvjWoL4
http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/300/index/6420212
@ribeye said:Maximum PC refers to them as being budget in their best-of-the-best and even intel themselves says the i5's are just under the enthusiast level processors. bottom line is i7's are faster, this guy wants a gaming PC that's gonna last him for a while and he has a healthy budget to work with, I see no reason not to go with an i7" i5's are good processors and they have a great price/performance ratio, but they are considered a budget line."That's crazy talk. i5s are comparable to i7s minus a couple of features, notably hyper-threading. They're marketed mainly for gaming and media center systems. I've never heard them referred to as a budget line before.i7s are the high-performance range, i3s are the base range for low-power systems.
amazed that no one has even mentioned noise level yet
If you have the money you definately should try to noise proof the PC as much as possible. Look at noise levels of video card, CPU cooler, Case fans, Power unit as well HDD dampeners and quiet cases
I strongly urge you to check out this guide.The Premium Player build seems to be exactly what you want.
@amir90: I play pretty much all games with the exception of RTSs and sports, however shooters and driving games will remain on the consoles for me. Mainly RPGs for the PC.
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