Akyho

@mlarrabee said:

@Akyho: I actually forgot entirely about that stack of bodies. I think I remember someone in the film commenting that some of the heads were burst open, which would imply that at least some of the SJs were infected.

I wonder if the ship landed there for some unknown reason and set up shop, as evidenced by the underground bunker with maintained atmosphere. But before the time came for their mission, an outbreak occurred. Somehow they managed to contain it, but not before losing most of the crew (the neatly piled bodies with telltale signs of Xenomorph infection). Since David activates the projection of SJs running, from high on a wall, it seems analogous to a security camera recording what took place during the outbreak. Perhaps that was even the initial incident. After the "successful" containment event, the remaining four(?) SJs return to the control room where they play with their holocomputer before heading to bed. Although I don't think we were ever shown the inside of the other three cryo-chambers.

Complete conjecture, I've no idea what I'm talking about.

The four Space Jockeys that run into the room are the ones that are in the cryo pods. Lucky the last dude was left behind or else they would have to fight for the last cryo pod....Some folks else were commented that saw the three cryo pods had chest's burst open. I cant recall. However your theory is the one we seem to be lead to.

@Alex said:

I think Ridley said that it wasn't intended to be the same planet as in Alien.

It takes a while but everyone comes around and find's that out. This planet is LV-223. While Alien takes place on LV-426. Which as the ending shows, the events that lead into Alien are completely and utterly separate. Meaning we still dont know. We just know more about Space Jockeys and a bit more of the origin of the Xenomorphs. Other than that wait for the sequel.

If people believe the films pictures over people telling them. This picture shows the ship from alien in a different way than at the end of Prometheus. http://content6.flixster.com/editorial/10/24/60/10246080_gal.jpg

However considering the utterly divided response, we may not get one.

@mlarrabee said:

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Why was the SJ ship waiting on the planet? Were they waiting for the proper moment to carry out their plans of resetting Earth? Some were in their cryo-pods, but the projections showed others running. Why? No Xs were loose in the ship apparently. In fact, all of the known Xs were in the room the SJs were running into when one of them doesn't entirely make it, and in other bays like it.

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You said everything I have said alot better than I did.

This part. I think is actualy a bigger thing no one has actually asked. What killed the Space Jockeys? They found a huge stack of bodies at a door as if they were running, locked out and then died. Was there a few burst chests? I cant remember. More so the holo recording of them first running away. The last one falls to its knees and fall face down for the door to cut its head off.

We have absolutely no idea what was going.

Also yes. Super-face hugger. I had forgotten about that. I dont know too much, However I do remember mention's of it in the past. Since then there has been a change of how a queen comes about. As Aliens are treated as hive creatures. Its taken that when the Queen dies the next best would mutate into a Queen. These ones are Praetorian. Larger and exclusively guardians of the queen. If the queen dies one will molt and become the new queen. Other fiction dictates that a specialized Praetorian Face hugger must be hatched and take a host in order to create a Praetorian and thusly a queen in the end.

However at the very start a super-face hugger could be possible.

Plus thinking back. The Xenomorph bursts out of the Space jockey. Almost fully formed, It has a diffrent mouth than we recognize. It opens up and then disjoints his inner mouth and protrudes to hint at what mouth we all know and fear. I was contemplating if the mouth was to become like the Queen's, You know how the mouth and head are independent from the giant crest.

However the proto-alien vastly diffrent so far that its hard to tell.

There is debates going on int he comments of that video (ofcourse) however people are mentioning the murals in the "altar" room with all the vases, Depicted Aliens exactly like this one. I need to find some sources and check as i can remember.

Edit: Here we go. the mural in the vase room. http://pixelapocalypse.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/prometheus_Alien.png

It basically looks like a Xenomorph....

@Azteck said:

People disliked Magicka? This is entirely new to me.

It had a very very very very very very very very broken launch and wasn't playable for 3 weeks.

@MooseyMcMan said:

@boj4ngles: No, it was Charles Bishop (get it, Bishop?) Weyland in AvP. He could very easily be the father or Uncle of old-man-guy Pierce Weyland in Prometheus, but as you say, trying to compare the two probably wouldn't work well.

Yeah, I was talking with friends after watching Prometheus. Which alot of the above info I have said I said to them and they were already alot less involved in the Alien universe than alot of us here. We were talking about Guy Peirce who was Peter Weyland, we couldn't figure we he was in the movie,

I had thought they he was David, they said no that was Micheal Fasbender. I interjected saying about Weyland in AVP and Alien 3 the resemblance of Weyland to the android Bishop. My friend said "Who says anyone especially Ridley Scott acknowledges AVP." I then went "You are right. I dont even."

IMDB ofcourse showed He was Pete Weyland and all resemblance to David was just me thinking Bishop and Weyland.

Two worlds. (Funfact: I was threatened with legal action for pirating it off of pirate bay. I baught it for 360 played 12 hours got fed up and traded it in. Only to get a legal document sent to me. Saying "pay £600 now or we will take you to court. We can prove by use of your IP you downloaded Top cows property "Two Worlds" illegally. " It never happend it was a big scam done by a legitimate and respected law firm. Needless to say I now boycott all games made from anyone involved with Two worlds. for the absolute stress and sickness they caused me for 8 months that year.)

Dragon age 2.

Far cry 2 (despite playing for 40 hours...just...checkpoints man...checkpoints!!! also silencer did nothing..and also this and that and this and that and this.....yeah.)

Orion: Dino Beat-down. (Granted I did not buy it, a friend did....except I still feel pain because of it.

Force unleashed 1 and 2.

With Force unleashed 1 I played the shit out of the demo. I got the game I played it and was enthralled with the story. Finished it six hours later...I enjoyed the story..except..I had no more reason to play...then i analyzed the game-play more and realized I realy realy didn't like it. I started again on a harder difficulty did fine. Until next day one hour till shops shut...I took the game put it in its box. Got on a bus and traded it it.

NEVER before have I ever done that. I was sold on all the DMM and Euphoria except it was minimal.

Unleashed 2 comes. I had a job. My friend convinced me it would be different this time. So I got excited I bought limited edition £50 a normal game is priced £40. I enjoyed the story last time. So i played it and was on the last level before going to sleep. Just came back from my job. I got up finished it and went...well that sucked fucking worse than I thought it could have. Story was abysmal and what the fuck was up with that ending?

So I guilted myself not to trade it in. Uk releases on Fridays. So I sat on it till Monday. Said to myself "Know what why break tradition?" traded it in , except they wanted it almost perfect. I was trying to keep the USB stick that came with it. So I got back on the bus and collected everything. So now its cost me £60 overall including bus fare. Got £25 back. £35 to rent it for three days.

Made me sick and still does. Never has a game disappointed so much.

@HarlequinRiot said:

One game I kind of regret buying was Alpha Protocol. I love the idea of the game and it has some really cool parts, but I just can't really get over how awful it plays and looks.

I absolutely love Alpha Protocol. I also fully understand anyones beef with it. That was mines at first however I stuck at it and started to understand. Its like an RPG. At first you are stupidly bad at everything. As in you can stab a fucking rat with a sword. Until half way you be competent unto super powerful. The dialogue choices and different things that can happen are worth it. It just need to click with you. If it dosnt then yeah...It dont see you playing it.

@MooseyMcMan said:

@Akyho: I would argue that the inclusion of Lance Henriksen and that the acting of AvP:R is atrocious (instead of merely mediocre, as in AvP) makes AvP the better film, but whatever.

I knew people wouldn't react well to my bringing up those movies (though in all fairness, I only mentioned one of them), so I'll rescind my previous comments. I'll still consider them canon because (as a fan of ridiculousness), I like convolution, so yeah.

And I will also say that I enjoyed Predators a lot. I'd say more than Prometheus, but I don't want to go down the path of trying to argue Alien (or "Star Beast," as I've decided I want to refer to it after reading that was the working title when the script was being written) films versus Predator films.

Also, as soon as someone drops the "Yautja," I know I'm in over my head in terms of the fiction. All I know are the movies, and little tidbits I've read on Wikipedia.

Oh yes AvP:R's acting it terrible. However i enjoy it since I think of it as Alien versus Predator and the Predator is the main character while all badly acted humans are simply there to be splattered against the walls in a variety of ways. Ideally I would want an AVP movie with zero humans and follow the Predators view.. Which AVP:R almost is. Secondly I would want AVP in space with the Colonial marines if you must have humans...not some forest town.

I personally am a bigger Predator fan. It also helps that the standards and direction of the movies were kept up better than with Alien. Granted for decades there was only 2 films. However I am still vested in Alien mostly since Predators universe is now so combined.

flashing back...I am seeing a number of Parallels with AVP and Prometheus. Except I look back at AVP and find a badly written and acted horror movie. With Prometheus I look back and think a well done, greatly acted, great looking, decent(note decent) story, in a very good Sci Fi film.

@boj4ngles said:

@dennisthemennis said:

Really great answers @boj4ngles.

My interpretation of why David inserted the liquid into Holloway's drink is that he was programmed to carry out Weyland's mission: to find the engineers, answers about humanity's existence, and consequently the "cure" for mortality. Weyland believed (or hoped) that the engineers must have unlocked the secret to immortality because they had created humanity. I think that David probably thought the liquid in the capsules/canisters was possibly the key to rejuvenation and creation of life, and so he tested it on Holloway. David asks him if he is willing to sacrifice everything to know the truth, and Holloway says he is. "Great things come from small beginnings."

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I agree with both of you. However him acting as an individual or by orders of Weyland. I think near the start when David is watching the movies and decides to quote them and more so...decides to bleach his hair. This throws the thoughts that...maybe ....maybe...just maybe. David has gone peculiar with his two years isolation. Not like a human, however which his learning and self improvement he had no humans to bounce off of. So he developed in the way he wanted and this may have changed him. When he talks to Space Jockey. He may have decided upon himself to doom the mission at that point and said "We are here to kill you. surrender and die quietly." he may have said "I am being held against my will. Kill the others!" and it all didn't go so well. Maybe he did simply say "We come in peace, we would like to get to know you."

Since David did seem to act very very interdependently not realy Weylands interests independent. I started to get a feeling of David wanting to preserve himself and interact with the Space Jockeys/Engineers as equals or betters. Instead of "stupid" humans that belittled him as a synthetic.

Infact. Maybe the Space Jockey realized David was a Synthetic and took offense.

@MooseyMcMan said:

@myketuna: In response to the Predators thing (and someone tell me if I get into "blasphemous" territory here), but this movie kinda doesn't jive with what Alien vs. Predator added to the fiction. Now, I know what a lot of people are thinking, "Why are you even mentioning that movie?" But (so far as I know), that's part of the fiction, right?

Anyway, AvP was pretty clear about how it was the Predators that helped out early mankind with regards to pyramids, math, etc, but Prometheus makes it look like it's the Space Jockeys that did that stuff (beyond the obvious mankind creation stuff). Also, the Predators had a stockpile of xenomorphs on Earth (or at least that Queen), and that stuff doesn't seem to jive with Prometheus.

And cue someone telling me AvP isn't canon, or something along those lines. James Cameron thought it was "pretty good," just saying.

OH GOD! You had to throw that spanner into it! I was forgetting AVP the movies. Those simply cannot work into it. Well it depends on how the Xenomorph is later explained.

Since the Space Jockeys/Engineers. Created human life at least. They didnt nurture them, so that opens up that the Predators (Initiate geek mode 3..2...1 AKA Yautja) could have nurtered humanity. I never ever liked that story.

If like someone said here. The Alien shown at the end was a something like the Alien we know, however it was just failed experiment. Its always been thought that the Alien took on properties of its hosts. Like the Predalien...which wasnt introduced in AVP Requiem instead AVP the video games, which are considered cannon. Maby it was was different Bio ooze and its another set of Bio ooze and circumstances that leads to the Alien we know. Maby this Black ooze will always create the things it created. While others would make different things?

However.....I am inclined to ignore AVP 1 and 2....however....I do consider the game Predator Concrete jungle canon...except that does actually bleed into the AVP story more.

Basics of Concrete jungle, Predator hunts on earth in LA 1930s fails and blows up his ship. Except not all his tech was destroyed. So he is extracted and exiled on a hostile planet. A 1930s gangster family got the tech and became kingpins untill LA 2030. When the same Predator comes back to set thing straight.

It tells of the two companies Weyland and Yutani coming together taking over the destroyed Borgia? Family company and getting all its secrets. Which Weyland had Xenomorphs cloned from the ones found in Antarctica in 2001 movie AVP. I suppose we should right off all things to do with AVP the movie.

Aside from now horribly wrong comics of aliens which had Space jockeys as a variety of things. One thing was giant elephant people.

AVP games hold truer to a more believable canon. The AVP games had people talk about them as legend and myths from what they discovered from ruins. Such as the info Space Jockeys were master Bio Engineers, they created the Xenomorph as a bio weapon.

I think from the pure stance that...Paul W.S Anderson cant make a movie for shit and even make a lick of sense between them E.G Resident Evil. Id say ignore them. If it wasnt for Paul W.S Anderson and the first AVP. Id probably hold AVP:R in a higher regard, that one was better done still suffered by setting it modern day and such.

PS The film Predators...totally canon...dosnt effect Alien universe. However that stands up. Yautja are a nomadic hunter race. So two different factions ala Clan or species fits well.

@The_Ruiner said:

Completely ignoring the "prequel" status of this movie, I felt like it didn't work for a number of reasons. Mostly centering around the general incompetence of the characters. And the seemingly random nature of many of the elements. AT points things got kind of silly and the immersion was completely broken.

*Spoilers...and anger..ahead...*

You're an advanced alien culture that has mastered space travel and advanced bioengineering. So how do solve your problems? HULK THE FUCK OUT FOR NO REASON!!!

Why did people keep taking their helmets off?

Why didn't anyone hear Shaw screaming and aborting herself for 15 mins?

Why did the Irishman turn into a creepy space zombie, was that part of the Engineers plan?

If Weyland wanted this mission to go smoothly why didn't he just send a crew of 5 Davids?

Why would you try and pet an evil space cobra? You wouldn't try and pet an earth cobra...especially after those assholes made such a big deal about being too scared to deal with the alien shit.

Why, when you need a character to get conveniently lost, did you choose the one character who's a geologist and who was just established in the previous scene as the guy who's the keeper of the map technology?!?!?!

Why did the Halloway go from hopeful young genius to frat boy dueche for no reason at all? It felt incredibly forced.

This movie was so dumb for so many reason...huge gaps in logic, unlikable characters doing the most idiotic things they could do, purely for the purpose of getting killed. This entire movie feels like it was conceived as a series of index cards with "cool sequences" on them and they just tried to make it all fit later. Beautiful art and design...but really really poorly put together from a script and basic common sense perspective.

I acknowledge most if not all of those things, and for the most part cant argue. Except I still realy enjoyed the film. It isnt perfect, and there are reasons why people wont like it.

However if hold too much of the comments to the film, then most films are ruined by the same stupidity.

The Halloway thing. I think he became such a dick. Since he was so disappointed about not getting the actually meet the Aliens. However it seems a little over dramatic like a child throwing a temper-tantrum. Than a someone that had their expectation's crushed.

@believer258 said:

@Akyho said:

THERE ARE NO ANSWERS RIGHT NOW. We can only have theories.

So I spent two hours watching a movie that asks many questions with few vague answers?

That means that Ridley Scott has failed as a moviemaker. Even if it did leave plot points open for a sequel hook, it should have answered some of its own questions.

In some cases people think that such a feat is a good thing. However I cannot say if it was or wasn't in this case. As I am kinda of not sure how I truly feel about the film. I acknowledge flaws in the film. Yet I can only look back and think how much I enjoyed it and so many good points.

Just me I suppose.

One big thing I think so great about it. Its an ACTUAL Sci fi film. Not a mixed up film that has light Sci fi and just turns into a simple story that could be set in a none Sci fi setting..

@believer258 said:

@MikkaQ@Akyho

And don't fucking say "it's more complicated than that" without giving an explanation as to how as well as answers.

Lets start from the beginning. I forgot to tell you I am actually Riddley Scott and I will tell you everything you need to know. But first...Its a little more complicated than that............

Calm down. The simplest way to put it. THERE ARE NO ANSWERS RIGHT NOW. We can only have theories. There is just enough to base things on. I have theorized to a point that there is simply nothing else that can be said that isnt complete bullshit. Alot of what I have said might turn out to be complete complete bullshit. However for now its just as good as anyone else thoughts.

The only way to get these answer's right now it A: Talk to Riddley Scott and hope he is in a good mood. B: Wait and see if they other films are made.

I am sure she realy is looking for 23 year old daddy right now like you are looking for a 40 year old wife.. Id say keep your eyes and ear open, run with it and when something drops get out. If nothing drops then you've had a good thing.