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Musings on games and nomenclature

I don't like to use two-dollar words too often.  With inflation I suppose they're now four-dollar words though and somehow that makes it even worse - so I try to avoid words like "nomenclature" a word I only used with a vague amount of understanding and chose because I didn't want too long of a title;  I realize that many people don't have the attention span to read a long forum title but I fear that in shortening my original title of "Why does the video game industry have such strange naming conventions?" with its current form I have already scared off most potential readers and with this overly long digression of an introduction I have just lost even more.  That said, I have been thinking about the way things are named in video game industry and I figured, why not write it down?  Who knows, maybe one of you might actually enjoy reading this.  If not, at least I got some satisfaction out of this.  Maybe I am too late with these musings, but I still claim them as my own since I came upon them independently.  That is my disclaimer by the way - don't take this too seriously and it might be fun! Oh boy!
 
So to kick things off, take for the Xbox 360 for example.  People call it the 360.  When you see that, you don't say Three-hundred and sixty.  You say Three-Sixty.  But why wasn't it the Thirty-Six-Oh?  What about the the Three-Six-Zero?  I mean people call Robert Bowling's alias Four Zero Two.  They say each number, why's that guy get special treatment of having each of his numbers pronounced and the 360 is shortened to two numbers when spoken.  Also, does anyone else find it somewhat ironic that three 60s would actually be 180?  Probably not, but I do.  The fact that when I say Three-Sixty out loud and I think of three instances of sixty and, when added together, create only a 180, half of 360, I can't help but find that kind of ironic.
 
Beyond that, why is it called a 360 anyway?  The only instance of a circle in its design is around the gigantic power button that it uses to indicate whether you are player 1, 2, 3, or 4.  Also, if you do a 360, you end up where you started - is that really what we want out of a new device?
 
What about the PS3?  It is the third of the PlayStations - but outside of video game consoles, how many electronic devices are there that get "sequels" to their originals?  I guess the term sequel isn't very good use of the word because it would indicate that there could be the possibility of a prequel and I doubt we're going to see a Playstation .5 at any point.  That said, I still don't get it.  I mean, sure, I realize that PlayStation is a recognizable brand now.  A name that people know, even old people who don't understand things.  It's a household name.  But guess what?  So is Sony.  Why is Sony stuck on the PlayStation name?  Nintendo has changed their console names up a bit.  In the beginning it wasn't so, but they are now.  PlayStation just sounds so generic and they know it, too.  Why do you think they insist on calling it a Pee-Ess-Three instead of calling it by its full name?  Acronyms and abbreviations rule the day anymore and a good name should be no more than 3 characters long. That is why I am shortening my name from Crono to just Cro.  Since it ends in an O with no closing vowel (like an e) that makes it look even more catchy.  Damn I'm cool.
 
So now we get to the Wii and well, would you look at that?  It has three characters in its name too!  So now we have the 360, the PS3 and the Wii.  I hate looking at that name by the way.  The Wii just doesn't look right.  Sure, that works in their favor.  People see the name "Wii" and think, "How fucking corny can you get?"  And Nintendo is fine with that because they're laughing all the way to the bank and back again.  It is obvious why they picked the word "We" but why they made it look so atrocious is beyond mii.  I think they did it, quite honestly, just so they could make the 2 "i"s look like little people bowing like dipshits before their God, the Wii.  
 
You know what?  I think that's brilliant, really, because have you ever seen some of these people play a Wii?  I have friends that don't play games all that often - but they own a Wii!  And they DO treat it like a God.  They swear by it!  In fact... I'm not certain, but I think I caught one of my friends kneeling before it before.  He claims he was changing the disc, but he only owned Wii Sports at that time - anyway I digress.  People that don't play games too often but have "experienced" the Wii or own a Wii treat it as though it is a God and I find it kind of strange.  I guess the name Wii works great in this regard though because, if you say it enough times (go ahead and try it!) it really does start to sound like a religious mantra or chant.  Anyway, I really hope I am not the only person to have seen this sort of person before - if I am, I feel like I am associating with bad people now and I'll hope you forgive me for that.
 
But think about how dirty that name sounds.  Wii.  "I'm gonna go play with my Wii!"  "I can't wait to get home and unwind by playing with my Wii."  I realize my jokes here are becoming more and more infantile but I can't help but get strange images in my head when people talk about playing with their Wii.  I don't think of it as "Weeeee!" like a sound a child might make being swung by their arms through the air, and I don't think of it as "We" as in, us, collectively, when people talk about "playing" it.  It sounds like something they shouldn't be doing - or at least telling others they're going to go do.  And this is a console that is marketed mainly to children but also considered a family console and great for old people... so now we have children, families and old people playing with their Wiis with reckless abandon; don't people know you can nearly go blind if you play with your Wii too much?  Ok, I think I have made enough cheap masturbation jokes to make my point.
 
TL;DR version - You suck and have no attention span.  Now go post your one liner and be gone.

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I don't like to use two-dollar words too often.  With inflation I suppose they're now four-dollar words though and somehow that makes it even worse - so I try to avoid words like "nomenclature" a word I only used with a vague amount of understanding and chose because I didn't want too long of a title;  I realize that many people don't have the attention span to read a long forum title but I fear that in shortening my original title of "Why does the video game industry have such strange naming conventions?" with its current form I have already scared off most potential readers and with this overly long digression of an introduction I have just lost even more.  That said, I have been thinking about the way things are named in video game industry and I figured, why not write it down?  Who knows, maybe one of you might actually enjoy reading this.  If not, at least I got some satisfaction out of this.  Maybe I am too late with these musings, but I still claim them as my own since I came upon them independently.  That is my disclaimer by the way - don't take this too seriously and it might be fun! Oh boy!
 
So to kick things off, take for the Xbox 360 for example.  People call it the 360.  When you see that, you don't say Three-hundred and sixty.  You say Three-Sixty.  But why wasn't it the Thirty-Six-Oh?  What about the the Three-Six-Zero?  I mean people call Robert Bowling's alias Four Zero Two.  They say each number, why's that guy get special treatment of having each of his numbers pronounced and the 360 is shortened to two numbers when spoken.  Also, does anyone else find it somewhat ironic that three 60s would actually be 180?  Probably not, but I do.  The fact that when I say Three-Sixty out loud and I think of three instances of sixty and, when added together, create only a 180, half of 360, I can't help but find that kind of ironic.
 
Beyond that, why is it called a 360 anyway?  The only instance of a circle in its design is around the gigantic power button that it uses to indicate whether you are player 1, 2, 3, or 4.  Also, if you do a 360, you end up where you started - is that really what we want out of a new device?
 
What about the PS3?  It is the third of the PlayStations - but outside of video game consoles, how many electronic devices are there that get "sequels" to their originals?  I guess the term sequel isn't very good use of the word because it would indicate that there could be the possibility of a prequel and I doubt we're going to see a Playstation .5 at any point.  That said, I still don't get it.  I mean, sure, I realize that PlayStation is a recognizable brand now.  A name that people know, even old people who don't understand things.  It's a household name.  But guess what?  So is Sony.  Why is Sony stuck on the PlayStation name?  Nintendo has changed their console names up a bit.  In the beginning it wasn't so, but they are now.  PlayStation just sounds so generic and they know it, too.  Why do you think they insist on calling it a Pee-Ess-Three instead of calling it by its full name?  Acronyms and abbreviations rule the day anymore and a good name should be no more than 3 characters long. That is why I am shortening my name from Crono to just Cro.  Since it ends in an O with no closing vowel (like an e) that makes it look even more catchy.  Damn I'm cool.
 
So now we get to the Wii and well, would you look at that?  It has three characters in its name too!  So now we have the 360, the PS3 and the Wii.  I hate looking at that name by the way.  The Wii just doesn't look right.  Sure, that works in their favor.  People see the name "Wii" and think, "How fucking corny can you get?"  And Nintendo is fine with that because they're laughing all the way to the bank and back again.  It is obvious why they picked the word "We" but why they made it look so atrocious is beyond mii.  I think they did it, quite honestly, just so they could make the 2 "i"s look like little people bowing like dipshits before their God, the Wii.  
 
You know what?  I think that's brilliant, really, because have you ever seen some of these people play a Wii?  I have friends that don't play games all that often - but they own a Wii!  And they DO treat it like a God.  They swear by it!  In fact... I'm not certain, but I think I caught one of my friends kneeling before it before.  He claims he was changing the disc, but he only owned Wii Sports at that time - anyway I digress.  People that don't play games too often but have "experienced" the Wii or own a Wii treat it as though it is a God and I find it kind of strange.  I guess the name Wii works great in this regard though because, if you say it enough times (go ahead and try it!) it really does start to sound like a religious mantra or chant.  Anyway, I really hope I am not the only person to have seen this sort of person before - if I am, I feel like I am associating with bad people now and I'll hope you forgive me for that.
 
But think about how dirty that name sounds.  Wii.  "I'm gonna go play with my Wii!"  "I can't wait to get home and unwind by playing with my Wii."  I realize my jokes here are becoming more and more infantile but I can't help but get strange images in my head when people talk about playing with their Wii.  I don't think of it as "Weeeee!" like a sound a child might make being swung by their arms through the air, and I don't think of it as "We" as in, us, collectively, when people talk about "playing" it.  It sounds like something they shouldn't be doing - or at least telling others they're going to go do.  And this is a console that is marketed mainly to children but also considered a family console and great for old people... so now we have children, families and old people playing with their Wiis with reckless abandon; don't people know you can nearly go blind if you play with your Wii too much?  Ok, I think I have made enough cheap masturbation jokes to make my point.
 
TL;DR version - You suck and have no attention span.  Now go post your one liner and be gone.

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Actually, I think Wii is a good name compared to every other video game console name out there. Sega got it right for their few consoles not called the Master System, but all the other ones sound like the kind of crap you'd see in a bad video game system parody on TV (Gamestation, Gamesphere, Playcube, etc.).

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@Video_Game_King said:

" Actually, I think Wii is a good name compared to every other video game console name out there. Sega got it right for their few consoles not called the Master System, but all the other ones sound like the kind of crap you'd see in a bad video game system parody on TV (Gamestation, Gamesphere, Playcube, etc.). "

How exactly is the Wii a good name compared to the others?  Because its parody-protection is a bit more sturdy than the others, or what?  You never really backed up your idea so I am just curious what the reasoning is as to why that particular name is good and the others are not.  I mean, I can see from your examples that PlayStation definitely comes into play, but what about the Xbox 360?  It doesn't sound like it falls into your example parodies.
 
Not attacking you, just looking for clarification :)
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@Crono: 
 
Well, Xbox falls into that category, so I guess the 360 falls into that category just by connection. And to clarify, Wii is a good name because it doesn't sound nerdy (PlayStation, Atari 2600, TurboGrafx-16) or....OK, there's a bit of stupid in there, but not as much stupid as 3DO, CD-i, or Nintendo Entertainment System. My main point is this: it's good compared to all the crap names we've been through for the past several decades.
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Well at least we're past that point in time where everything in the world had to have an X or a Z--because that eXtremeZ!!!

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Did any of you guys listen to the latest, all e-mails Bombcast?  They talked exactly about this stuff at one point.  The 360 is named that way because it's an "all encompassing" system, not just because of the circular design on the hardware.  Three-sixty rolls off the tongue much better than anything else, just like saying "Wiimote" instead of "Wii remote", so that's why we pronounce it like that.  Playstation is not a generic or stupid console name.  It's to the point and simple.  
 
The PS3 is called that way because it's the 3rd generation Playstation.  I don't see why it has to be complicated. 
 
 And the Wii is a stupid name that practically means nothing.  It's nice because it's short, like the DS or PSP, but it would hold no meaning if it wasn't backed up by the power of Nintendo.  John Davidson said on the latest 4 Guys 1 Up: that his son's 1st grade teacher once told him that the most prevalent spelling error that the kids make is writing "Wii" instead of "We", and that's scary.

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That was a rather neat read.
 
/be gone'd

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The Wii is the best console name ever. I've been married for over 17 years and gaming over 30, but now when I'm going to play a video game, no matter what platform, my wife says, "you going to play the Wii". She doesn't play video games.

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@Claude said:
" The Wii is the best console name ever. I've been married for over 17 years and gaming over 30, but now when I'm going to play a video game, no matter what platform, my wife says, "you going to play the Wii". She doesn't play video games. "
So UFC is a better than than WEC and Strikeforce because when I'm watching MMA, my mum askes me if it's 'UFC' and are cassettes are better than DVD because when it's coming up to Christmas, my Grandma asks me if there's any 'tapes' I want. Just because it appeals to the uninvolved in a catch all sense, that doesn't make it the best, it makes it snappy.
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@HandsomeDead said:
" @Claude said:
" The Wii is the best console name ever. I've been married for over 17 years and gaming over 30, but now when I'm going to play a video game, no matter what platform, my wife says, "you going to play the Wii". She doesn't play video games. "
So UFC is a better than than WEC and Strikeforce because when I'm watching MMA, my mum askes me if it's 'UFC' and are cassettes are better than DVD because when it's coming up to Christmas, my Grandma asks me if there's any 'tapes' I want. Just because it appeals to the uninvolved in a catch all sense, that doesn't make it the best, it makes it snappy. "
Snappy sounds good. I'll take that. In truth though, I always thought the Playstation brand name was the best. But that little Wii sure is snappy.
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@FluxWaveZ said:

" Did any of you guys listen to the latest, all e-mails Bombcast?  They talked exactly about this stuff at one point.  The 360 is named that way because it's an "all encompassing" system, not just because of the circular design on the hardware.  Three-sixty rolls off the tongue much better than anything else, just like saying "Wiimote" instead of "Wii remote", so that's why we pronounce it like that.  Playstation is not a generic or stupid console name.  It's to the point and simple.  
 
The PS3 is called that way because it's the 3rd generation Playstation.  I don't see why it has to be complicated. 
 
 And the Wii is a stupid name that practically means nothing.  It's nice because it's short, like the DS or PSP, but it would hold no meaning if it wasn't backed up by the power of Nintendo.  John Davidson said on the latest 4 Guys 1 Up: that his son's 1st grade teacher once told him that the most prevalent spelling error that the kids make is writing "Wii" instead of "We", and that's scary. "

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Maybe I am too late with these musings, but I still claim them as my own since I came upon them independently.  That is my disclaimer by the way - don't take this too seriously and it might be fun! Oh boy!

So yeah, like I said I came upon these outlandish ideas independently and it is just for fun; however, I do enjoy discussion as well :)
 
First, I listened to some of the all e-mail podcast but I have not finished it, so I may not have gotten to this part.  I probably stopped right before it knowing me, haha :D
 
That's great point about the 360 name, but you know what else has 360º of angles?  Rectangles, squares - in fact 4-sided polygons, period.  But people think of circles when they hear 360, not "all encompassing" at that point it is just marketing spin on a marketable name.  I guess my point is that 360 can possibly evoke images other than circles, but let's face it, most people think of a circle when they hear 360, not "all encompassing" or 4-sided polygons and because of that it seems like a weird misnomer - unless you like marketing slogans/spin; some people genuinely do!
 
Of course, PS3 doesn't have to be complicated - it is good that it isn't and as I pointed out, it is a household name - but so is Sony.  Nintendo has changed the names of their systems many times; why not Sony?  Renaming is a strategy that companies use often times to re-invent themselves or their product.  Samsung is doing it with LCD TVs by calling them "LED" TVs - (protip:  They're still just LCD TVs, just with LED backlighting for deeper blacks which promotes higher contrast ratio since current LCDs use fluorescent lights and some of that light shines through causing a not-so-deep-black.)  So with that in mind, I just can't help but wonder if Sony has ever considered a new name for their PlayStation.  Truthfully, I know they haven't.  It wouldn't make sense.  It is an established brand, it has offshoots that are attached to the name (PSP = PlayStation Portable) and even as Video_Game_King points out - with a lame name like PlayStation it sounds like a parody of itself almost - but even that works in its favor because most of the parody names he listed made me think of "PlayStation" as the source material for the parody - that is great because it creates consumer awareness; Sony has dumped too much money into the PlayStation name to ever change it at this point.
 
And I have to disagree with the fact that the Wii "practically means nothing."  Wii means "We."  Unless "We" means nothing then I suppose I could agree with you.  But the whole point of the Wii is togetherness; the amount of games with the word "party" in them are indicative of that fact.  However I do agree that kids misspelling a word as simple as "We," as "Wii" is pretty frightening.  They're our future don't you know?  Our scary... scary future.
 
@Capum15 said:

" That was a rather neat read.  /be gone'd "


Touché.
 
@Claude said:

" The Wii is the best console name ever. I've been married for over 17 years and gaming over 30, but now when I'm going to play a video game, no matter what platform, my wife says, "you going to play the Wii". She doesn't play video games. "


Haha that is awesome.  My father, when I was younger, no matter what system I happened to be playing he would always ask if I was going to go play my Nintendo.  I guess Nintendo has that affect on people.
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@Crono said:
"Beyond that, why is it called a 360 anyway?  The only instance of a circle in its design is around the gigantic power button that it uses to indicate whether you are player 1, 2, 3, or 4.  Also, if you do a 360, you end up where you started - is that really what we want out of a new device? "
I was under the impression that Microsoft didn't want to stick their Xbox 2 out against the Playstation 3. The "three" makes it sound newer and more flashy. 360 makes it sound like the two consoles are, to the uneducated, on a more even playing field.
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@Crono: Oh, yeah.  I know this shouldn't be taken seriously (I mean, we're talking about video game console names) but, like you, I enjoy discussion.
 
Well this point could also be applied to the Wii.  Some disturbingly minded people could just think of a more innocent term of Penis when they hear it (evidenced by the chaos that happened on the internet when the name was announced).  True, perhaps the meaning behind the word "Wii" is less subtle than the meaning behind "360" (I had to search for its actual meaning before I wrote that), but I'm not sure many people who know of the Wii or own one have even thought of why it's called that way.  It's just called the "Wii", just like an iPod is just an iPod.  But I'll admit, the meaning is actually weaker for the 360 than the Wii because, if you even try to think about what it means, the first thing you'll think of is probably a circle and that doesn't mean much.  But the reason Sweep gave as to why it's called "360" instead of "2" also seems very feasible.
 
The thing is, before the PS3, Sony was really big on its "Playstation brand".  As supported by a discussion on the same topic on the recent "4 Guys 1 Up", Sony wanted brand recognition and brand loyalty.  They wanted their products to follow each other.  They wanted PS1 games playable on every upcoming Playstation console, they wanted the PSP to have various connections to the PS3.  But with the elimination of the PS3's backwards compatibility, they seemed to have lost that will.  Thing is, it's hard to have people recognize it all as a brand if they keep on changing the name.  The reason Nintendo became such a recognized name is because their first 3 consoles in North America were basically called "Nintendo".  The "Entertainment Sytem", "Super" and "64" parts were so useless and generic that the only memorable aspect of the name was "Nintendo".  Imagine if Nintendo were no longer in the SNES or N64 titles.  I heavily doubt Nintendo would be such a recognized name.  But now, since Nintendo is popular, they can go and name their newest consoles "Gamecube" or "Wii" without people wondering if that's made by the same people that made Mario or Zelda.
 
I would say they can get away with naming it that way because of the technology of today.  The internet didn't exist, or was not as used as much as today, in those times when NIntendo named their first 2 consoles, at least.  If they messed around with the names there's no way people would know Nintendo made those consoles without taking a closer look at the software available for them.  But today, people could follow the developers of the console more closely with the media and not be confused when a dramatic name change occurs.  Perhaps Sony forced themselves in a corner with the PS1 and PS2, since changing it to something else at this point would be bizarre and could potentially confuse some consumers.  But they would also lose their once beloved "Playstation" name, which I could see being changed for what would be the Playstation 4.  The progression on the numbering also shows iteration.  It means "if you liked the previous one, you should get this one because it's 2 times better".  All sense of that could be lost if they changed names, and even maybe decided to take a step back with a console sequel for a certain reason.
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@FluxWaveZ: I was always under the impression that the 360 is named that way because it "immerses" you in the game, like its all around you. This of course is just a marketing ploy but I always thought thatwas why it was named. 
 
Also on the topic of names, anyone else get annoyed when people always refer to what ever is the next xbox as the 720? Seriously, I know Microsoft is responsible for vista but they aren't that stupid.
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@GoodKn1ght: I've never heard of that reason for it being named the 360, but I guess it could be possible.  But the meaning that it's an "all encompassing" console is more feasible because the 360 does have a multitude of features for everything.  It's a media center.
 
No, I don't get annoyed when people talk about the next iteration of the Xbox as the 720 because it's simpler to say "720" than it is to say "next Xbox 360".  When people refer to it as the 720 in discussion, it's just so that others may know what they are talking about.  Of course we know that it won't be called that way officially.
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@FluxWaveZ: valid points  stand corrected. I would much rather prefer the next xbox but hey what can you do.