I'm starting to think liberals need to start a movement to get progressives to move out of big cities and blue states and flood the "flyover" country before the next major election.
From what I'm reading, it's not going to happen. I see a whole lot of blaming going around and very little care for analyzing reality outside their urban metropolis bubbles.
I don't see how your source refutes a single thing I've said. A swing state is a swing state because it can go either way. That doesn't mean everyone living in the state votes differently each election.
So let me get this straight: The reason Hillary lost is because she lost the swing states, and your only justification is that "they can go either way"? Why not try to analyze why she lost the low-income, industrial heartland of the country?
I don't even know why I'm discussing this with you. I'm not American, I don't vote there and sure as hell don't support Trump. But people like you are doing a disservice to the well-spirited population that wanted to stop a madman like Trump and you're not making enough of an effort to realize what alienating a sizable part of the population looks like.
I am to believe, then, that you think there is a large number of citizens in those three states that voted for both Trump and Obama? Would it not be more likely that a much smaller margin existed in the middle, than a not small minority voted for two diametrically opposed candidates?
You believe what you want to believe. The data shows that Clinton lost the support of the lower class white population that feels left behind by the globalization of the economy. People who haven't had a pay rise in 15 years while profit margins for the elites have risen year over year.
If you're going to group them all together and call them racists and xenophobes, you're missing the big picture. No one became more or less racist between Obama and today. I'd wager actual numbers, if there is such a thing, went down. But you need to start looking at the stuff you're doing wrong instead of blaming everyone else because that will lead to a very, very quick downfall.
Once again, listen to the Democrats of 25 years ago. It's the economy, stupid.
So, you have no numbers, but are sure that I am wrong? I see.
Once again, believe what you want to believe. The numbers say the Rust Belt states voted for Obama, and then for Trump. If you want to cover your ears to that, go ahead.
I am to believe, then, that you think there is a large number of citizens in those three states that voted for both Trump and Obama? Would it not be more likely that a much smaller margin existed in the middle, than a not small minority voted for two diametrically opposed candidates?
You believe what you want to believe. The data shows that Clinton lost the support of the lower class white population that feels left behind by the globalization of the economy. People who haven't had a pay rise in 15 years while profit margins for the elites have risen year over year.
If you're going to group them all together and call them racists and xenophobes, you're missing the big picture. No one became more or less racist between Obama and today. I'd wager actual numbers, if there is such a thing, went down. But you need to start looking at the stuff you're doing wrong instead of blaming everyone else because that will lead to a very, very quick downfall.
Once again, listen to the Democrats of 25 years ago. It's the economy, stupid.
I'd hazard a guess that there isn't an especially large overlap between Obama voters and Trump voters, given the pairs' different political party alignments and often exceedingly contrary positions on policy (or lack thereof, as the case may be). But people do crazy things.
You're guessing wrong. Obama won Wisconsin, Ohio and Michigan. Twice. If you think people don't vote thinking of their wallet, if you think ideology matters more to them than their immediate well-being, I hope you realize as fast as you can because this needs to be a wake up call for you.
Yes, there are racists and xenophobes that feel empowered by Trump. But that's not the reason he won. You guys need to be fast as fuck on this or you're going to be sorry in 4 years.
We get it, us mean old liberals will take care not to hurt the feelings of sensitive conservatives next time around.
Being sarcastic about it will not win you the votes of the people who feel left out by the system. These people voted Obama twice -- you sure it's all "white supremacy" sensitivities?
I am not American, but my takeaway from all of this is that Hillary lost on Bill's mantra in 1992: It's the economy, stupid. Not race, not xenophobia, not bigotry. The goddamn economy.
The bigots are going to be bigots. But the Rust Belt has been democrat for a while now. And that's what tipped Trump over...
People are being left behind. Not only because of outsourcing manufacturing to China, but because technology is leaving them behind. And Trump is not going to stop that. He will betray them and fail them, like every politician has because no politician can stop the march of technology. It's a sad, sad state of affairs.
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