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#1  Edited By Pegbiter

A combine request testing my interpretation of how to handle episodic games is now pending here.

I guess it was a bit naïve of me to think that the line could easily be drawn. My interest is mainly in adventure games, where the focus on story makes distinction between works more or less obvious. The only thing in need of clarification for them is whether or not a complete remake, like The Secret of Monkey Island: Special Edition, should be considered a new game or not. It seems to me now that as long as the story is intact, adventure game remakes should not have their own pages. Be aware though that even very faithful adventure game remakes usually have everything but the script remade. The screenshots below are from the original and remake I tried to give a separate page. Any idea of why my wiki edit request was deleted instead of just denied?

Gabriel Knight: Sins of the Fathers
Gabriel Knight: Sins of the Fathers
20th Anniversary Edition
20th Anniversary Edition

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The people at Telltale Games have released several episodic games by now, and for some reason they are treated differently on the Giant Bomb wiki. Their earlier franchises, like Back to the Future and Sam & Max, have game pages for both seasons and their individual episodes. Newer series, like The Walking Dead and The Wolf Among Us, have only one page per season. After some replies to my question here, I believe the unofficial policy to be that episodes should be treated as releases rather than separate games.

To test this, I hereby request all episodes of Tales of Monkey Island to be merged into the season page. If requested, I will gladly copy all information from the episode pages to the main article. The episode pages are here: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5

In case this request is denied, please let me know what the policy actually is. Can I create individual pages for episodes of any game like this? If the answer is to leave things as they are, I will comply sobbingly.

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Thank you for sharing your experience Yummylee. This lack of consistency makes me a bit uncomfortable, due to my somewhat obsessive need for order. My interpretation is however that individual episodes of episodic games should not have separate pages, even though they might be released gradually. Since one page per season seems to be the norm, I will create Delete & Combine Requests to try to correct some of those with pages for episodes.

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Thank you. If those two releases of Tom Clancy's EndWar actually are supposed to share a page, there is no doubt that a remake of an adventure game should be added as a new release of its original. I will create combine requests when I find remakes or remastered releases with pages of their own. An exact definition of where the line is drawn would still be good to have though, so that I do not risk creating unnecessary work for administrators.

My question regarding episodic adventure games still remains to be answered.

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I need a clarification of when a new game page is motivated. After quite a lot of searching, the best source I could find was this forum post from 2008. Some kind of policy document is mentioned to be in the making, but I am unable to find it.

Last month, I tried to add Gabriel Knight: Sins of the Fathers - 20th Anniversary Edition as a new game. For some reason my attempt was removed without a trace, instead of just denied. I did not know how to interpret that, but initially thought a similar request was already pending. Since everything but the story was remade more or less from scratch, I considered it to be a distinctly separate game from Gabriel Knight: Sins of the Fathers. As a comparison, IMDb would definitely list a remake as a different movie but a remastered version as the same. It felt especially obvious since I had seen some remastered games here with separate pages. My main argument for separate remake pages is that the difference is so big that a review of one in no way applies to the other. I do however realize that reviews here can be addressed at specific releases.

A related question is how to handle episodic adventure games, especially those from Telltale Games. Series like The Walking Dead and The Wolf Among Us have one page per season, while others like Sam & Max and Tales of Monkey Island have pages both for seasons and individual episodes. The perfectionist in me wants to either expand or collapse all seasons. But what is the policy?

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When searching for "Golden Wake" both A Golden Wake and an incorrectly named duplicate The Golden Wake is given as result. The later link is broken, so it seems to be partially removed. Is it easy to delete it completely?

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