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@nethlem said:

Yeah, sorry but you are reaching pretty far there. Blizzard didn't invent mounts nor travel mode for MOBA likes. Smite already had a travel mode for the heroes way before HotS got released, using your logic Blizzard ripped them off.

The card thing is even more of a reach, you might as well claim that Titanfall "ripped of" Hearthstone with the addition of burn cards, see how stupid that sounds? Blizzard didn't "invent" CCG or cards in video games. Paladins card system looks way more comparable to that of Paragon and imho it's something that Overwatch is really missing (ability customization).

Btw: Blizzard is ripping of from anything that has worthwhile mechanics just like every, at least, half-decent developer. It's not like Blizzard developers live in some kind of culture vacuum where they don't get influenced by what's popular and new in gaming. Even WoW wasn't really "original" it also just borrowed from a lot of other MMO's that came before it and managed to put a lot of that together in a rather polished package (a first for MMO's back then), the whole Warcraft universe started out as Warhammer game without the license.

In the end I couldn't care less, because when you boil it down everything is a remix of something that already came before.

First of all, I don't think calling something I said "stupid" really helps anything. Second of all, I acknowledged that the HotS/Hearthstone stuff was a reach when I said it. Its not that they directly ripped off either game, its just that combined with the stuff they ripped off from Overwatch it kinda adds to this feeling of them looking at what Blizzard has been up to and cribbing as much as they can from them. Isn't it a bit strange that Blizzard has a popular shooter, MOBA, and card game and HiRez happens to make a shooter MOBA with card game elements? And as I said in a previous comment, I don't like the false equivalency here. Blizzard has been inspired by other things, sure, but can you point to a single source that Blizzard copied almost wholesale for any game they made? Even Heroes of the Storm, based on the DotA mod for Warcraft 3, has meaningful differences from League of Legends and Dota 2. It's not ok in my opinion to give this game a pass because "Blizzard steals too!" There is a fine line between inspiration and cloning.

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Seems like this game's sin is having a roster of varied characters with different abilities which Overwatch now has a monopoly on based on people's reactions.

And I haven't even played Paladins since the alpha so it's not like I'm defending it because I'm a die hard fan - I'm just annoyed that in situations like these, where 2 games have similarities the only logical conclusion is that one must have copied from the other.

My biggest problem is false equivalency. Paladins very clearly has several characters who are clearly inspired by Overwatch heroes. There is no denying this fact. There are some people who for some reason look at this and rather than acknowledging it, just dodge the issue with "well OW ripped off TF2!" or Overwatch fans thinking they have a monopoly on a varied character roster. It's disingenuous to say something like "Overwatch is a TF2 clone" since although it was inspired by TF2, its very different in a lot of significant ways. Paladins isn't just SIMILAR to Overwatch, some characters are almost exactly the same.

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@thecynicaldave: I HIGHLY doubt Blizzard ripped of Global Agenda of all games. I think this was simply the CEO trying to deflect, since it also doesn't explain the numerous examples that go in the opposite direction, as well as their suspicious use of both a mount (Heroes of the Storm) and cards (Hearthstone, even though I know Paladins isn't a CCG, its just something else that raises my eyebrow).

@judgementxd said:

Really wish the guys would bother doing some research before slinging accusations. This game was in development before Overwatch was announced and no, they didn't change the look and ability of their characters after playing Overwatch.

I've heard this argument many times but it just doesn't bear out. Overwatch was revealed at BlizzCon 2014. Paladins was supposedly "in development" during this period, but didn't enter closed beta until November 2015, a full month after Overwatch did. Since "in development" is vague, it doesn't mean they had anything done before Overwatch was revealed. So many of the characters are so close to their Overwatch counterparts its hard to sit there with a straight face and say they absolutely didn't copy them.

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Video games used to be simple.

I fucking hate the internet

I don't think its wrong to want to use video games to engage with complex sociopolitical issues like racism. In fact, I think it speaks to the maturity of the medium that game developers can use video games to tell stories with more mature undertones. Great literature and films can use setting and character development as a way to comment on our world, and I think this kind of thing should be encouraged in video games.

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I like a nice, premium, Boar's Head Bombcast myself.

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@j23 said:
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Sadly, the more I see of this game the more I'm convinced this isn't the WWI shooter I want.

If you're this interested in WWI shooters than you've probably already heard of and tried, but have you looked into Verdun? Gameplay wise it feels much more WWI to me than Battlefield One, which has this sort of weird WWI-tech-but-WWII-tactics thing going on.

As a Verdun player I can confirm. Verdun is the game you want if you want more authentic feeling WWI action and tactics. That being said, I really do like the look of BF1, I personally don't mind the WWI stuff being window dressing. Its more WWI-punk than ACTUAL WWI.

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@president_barackbar said:

This game has been out on Steam for a while (it was in Early Access). I really enjoy it, if you are someone looking for a more authentic WWI shooter experience, this is it.

Is this game multiplayer only? I suppose I could do the legwork to find out, but you're right here.

Good trailer I thought, for what it is.

It is multiplayer and actually just in the last few months had a big update that added a bunch of new armies like the Americans and the Belgians.

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This game has been out on Steam for a while (it was in Early Access). I really enjoy it, if you are someone looking for a more authentic WWI shooter experience, this is it.

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@t3hh said:

I don't get the constant comparisons to Fallout to this game....i dont see it....it's more like a rogue-Borderlands. Still looks cool.

I don't think they mean its PLAYS LIKE Fallout, more that a lot of the jokes and names of stuff are pretty clear references to the Fallout series.