SarcasticMudcrab

I'll upgrade from ps4 to ps5 when its not a hassle to find one but its not something I'm bothered about enough to put in the effort to catch one in stock.

Trying to use this time as motivation to tackle the backlog, which so far has got me playing BF5 a lot... Oh well.

@bigsocrates: fortnite is a game about murdering people and dancing over their dead body. Practically every game is murder lol

Genocide is full on not appropriate topic for kids yes, is the game really about that? Or is it wiping out a cartoon tribe and sort of not that dark in that way, because you do that in Spore to the extreme and thats a great game for kids imo. Maybe thats a different discussion altogether I don't want to get too heavy here.

When I was 12 I was into N.W.A and yo-yos.

Kids like what they like and its not up to us as adults to decide that for them, it is up to us to not expose them to stuff thats going to mess them up though! If Biomutant is inappropriate for kids while at the same time obviously trying to appeal to them then that is indeed far worse than the reviewers have made it out to be, for a completely different reason. I hope thats not the case.

@gundato: I'm guessing you don't have kids? Yes they can have surprisingly high amounts of integrity, but they often also like complete trash. There is no 'this is how kids are' and you certainly can't project an adults bar of quality and apply it to how a kid will think, for the most part they will simply like what their friends like, but it does vary wildly.

Also if you are intentionally "Ignoring the continued "they wrote the review wrong" bullshit" then you are openly derailing this thread, because that is what it is about, I don't really care but coming from a guy that has repeatedly completely missed the point and adamently argued against points that haven't been made by anyone then its kinda like...are you a troll or...

You can make your own thread if you want to talk about kids games getting a pass when they shouldn't if you like, its a fair point, but it is not what this is about and nobody has said it is.

@kunakai: that looks like a great review and a far cry from the youtube video reviews I was talking about.

It is giving a descriptive reason for why it is bad, and actually explaining how it is, which is fantastic and what a review should be imo, whether it's positive or negative.

I'm not really trying to make a case btw, I just thought the destiny thing was a perfect example. There are plenty of places that you can find discussions on destiny as a solo experience so it is not hypothetical, maybe not straight up reviews that is a bit silly I admit but there are certainly plenty of youtubers making that kind of content.

I'm very much a solo in multiplayer games type of person and am totally down for that kind of discussion, I dont think its absurd at all.

It became a bit argumentative when points I didn't make were disagreed with.

As for average gamer age well its a bit irrelevant, I was just trying to say the same people that played botw are those kids that grew up with a snes... Biomutant isn't the same in that respect, its a new rather confused IP and while I maintain my argument that it is aimed at kids I don't think it knew how to do that exactly. Botw on the other hand knew and perfectly executed its appeal to it's target audience.

I know my opinions here are widely disagreed with, and thats ok, and familiar here at GB tbh..I hate batman combat, I enjoyed both Fallout 76 and No Mans Sky on release, I think wrestling sucks... fake power bomb me if you must.

I hope there has been at least a tiny bit of value in this thread, I feel I've maybe just wasted everyone's time and that wasn't the intention.

@gundato: ok, so you thought that by saying not including mp in a solo review I meant talking about the mp as mp?

I did not.

I meant how the mp affects the solo experience. If you do not include that in a solo review you are not reviewing the solo experience as it actually is as a solo experience. It is 100% impossible to play destiny without the mp being at least a tiny bit part of it and as an ex-solo destiny player myself know this. To ignore it when explaining what its like would be uninformative and paint a false picture, hence be bad.

That was exhausting to write.

I should probably just delete this whole thread, its become ridiculous. Sorry.

@gundato: I'm calling them bad because they fail to inform the consumer of what the product actually is.

It has, as I said repeatedly nothing to do with the score or my personal opinion of whether the game is good or not, I literally said that is irrelevant. I know that is not completely simple but its really not too complicated either.

Hey man if you're happy with basic blinkered 1 track minded reviews that do not see things from a broad picture then cool, there's plenty of them for you to enjoy. I personally want more.

I did not say destiny reviews for solo players were bad at all, things like that are useful, if they completly ignore the mp side tho it would be ill informed because the mp elements affects the solo experience. Please read posts before replying, you are arguing against things that have not been said.

@kunakai: if you actually play Biomutant it's very obvious it's for kids. If you only watched the trailers and a bunch of reviews its not so clear.

The Destiny mp thing is just a great example of how context can affect a review outside of the direct experience.

I completely disagree with your points about Nintendo and would be very surprised if more kids played botw than adults. Nintendo used to be only for kids, now those kids are adults its become a family thing. The average age of a gamer is 35, not 12.

@bigsocrates: its confused. The ACG review talks about this well, which is why I think its a good review.

It failed as a game I think because of this more than because of its technical issues. I also think 12 year olds are kids and that is the exact age I'm thinking of when saying aimed at kids. No 12 year old is into gobbledy gook dialogue that is basically baby talk, I don't know what the devs were trying to do exactly with that. Just because it missed the mark doesn't change its intention though.

The discussions here have been far clearer and more informative about the game than most of the reviews.

@Gundato: did you just not read the thread before posting? Nobody has said its bad because its for kids, if anything the opposite but its really not the point.

@gundato: ye that last sentance sums up my original point perfectly. Its a shame most reviewers struggle with this.

As for solo destiny, the multiplayer has a large affect on the solo experience, you cannot in any way play it without the multiplayer being a factor so ignoring it in a discussion about it as a solo game is just straight up incorrect and simply can't paint a picture of how the experience actually is. Its obviously not a main factor but it is an unavoidable one that does impact the experience to a some degree.

@efesell: the latter part is definitely correct. I personally don't think that watching 10+ popular reviews and coming out of it not knowing what the game actually is is a sign of bad reviews, not when it took me less than an hour of playing it to realise, which left me thinking well why the fuck didn't anyone mention the obvious target demographic and only criticised it from a 30+ gamers perspective? Only Worth a Buy and ACG did this out of the reviews I've seen, and the trusted reviews that was quoted earlier here. If it wasn't for those then I maybe wouldn't of noticed as much. Hey if its just me then I guess I'm wrong, and I certainly would of had a better point if I'd of made it about reviews in general rather than specifically Biomutant, as that has led peopleto be fixated on the score or comparing it to similar games, which are irrelevant to my original complaint and miss the point entirely.

@Kunakai: botw is clearly made for those that grew up with zelda, but as with most Nintendo games is very much an all ages game as well.

I've explained why I feel Biomutant is specifically aimed at kids, you don't have to watch much kids tv to see why, but its the same as a lot of it with how the dialogue and presentation is, and not something I've ever seen outside of that before.

@kunakai: I'm not sure why botw has anything to do with it, while it does maybe appeal to kids as well and is similar in genre it is completely irrelevant to the discussion of reviews about biomutant, other than to say botw reviews were probably done with decent context because everybody knows who nintendo games are for, which is imo anyone.

The reason I struggled to explain my point before is simply because I was incredibly drunk at the time, the concept is really basic: context matters.