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@KensterFox said:

1. Hearing the crew taste Djungelvral/Hockey Pulver/Bird's Nest Drink for the first time never, ever gets old.

Which one is this? I must have missed it.

@SeriouslyNow said:

(most of whom aren't even gainfully employed in any capacity at all like the dude, the so called 'journalist' who I initially replied to)

And another swing and a miss. The so-called 'journalist' makes a sustainable amount of so-called 'money' from his gigs. Also, I already explained to you that the shitting was on a particular subset of these degrees, but you seem to be physically unable to wrap your head around such a concept, so never mind that.

@ImmortalSaiyan said:

Thankfully I have not seen this on GiantBomb, ever.

Because you were too busy playing CoD LOLOLOLOLOL,

I'll just watch the archive after I've played the DLC. (shouldn't be a big wait, my friend and I are dying to dig into this)

You MUST do Condemned 2. The way you guys fawned over the finishers in this game makes me think you'll love the sequel. Plus, I want to yell "BLOCK, MATT, BLOCK!" more.

@Three0neFive said:

Wait until I can do some nice, long, mindless gaming and marathon that shit. There's nothing better than hunkering down with a sandbox game and listening to a fuckton of Bombcast/Rebel FM/Debriefings.

YES. I'm picking out a game right now to play with tonight's Bombcast. I made the mistake of playing DoomRL this morning to the dulcet tones of MBMBAM, but due to the reading involved, I tuned out half of it.

@DonPixel said:

and I do realize you weren't saying education is worthless, that was an answer to some people saying silly stuff like studying liberal arts is a waste of money, like now having culture and education is a waste? what you suppose to do with money ? buy a hummer !?

Studying liberal arts is a waste when that's as far as you go with it. That was what I was saying. Liberal arts has become infamous for the amount of people that take that course, get the degree, then expect a six figure salary from it instead of use it as the first step it was intended to be. Maybe that wasn't clear enough, but it's a little much to jump to the conclusion that I'm an anti-intellectual, isn't it? That couldn't be farther from the truth.

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@Little_Socrates said:

@ShaggE: I like the part where you say game design courses are a scam. Then your evidence is that game design schools are a scam and not nearly as good as game design courses at a reputable school.

...so, basically, go to a good college if you want your degree to mean something? What a fucking shocking statement. You're goddamned Sherlock Holmes!

I like the part where you misread my entire point, then get a little crazy with the sarcasm juice. The SCHOOLS are a scam. SCHOOLS. I said the game design courses are worthless at these schools. Again, so I'm extra clear: at these schools.

@SeriouslyNow:

Again, irrelevant, but I write as a journalist and critic. Because your next question will be along the lines of "prove it", know that I'm still new to the field and building my portfolio, and that I'm not claiming to be Jeff Gerstmann 2: Gerst Harder.

Now... how, exactly, do I sound as you say? Are you still on about the teapots? What point did I make that shows a lack of knowledge? I ask this sincerely, because I'm not just arguing to argue. By all means, show me that these advertised game design courses are a boon to aspiring programmers, and I'll be fast to admit that I am mistaken.

You write as a journalist? No you don't. You play some games and review them. A journalist actually interviews the creators of chosen subject matter, a journalist tries to get a proper understanding of the inner workings of the creative process and the industry which surround said creative process. You fucking play some games and write about them on some blog. I know it, you know it. So, please, instead of shitting on Schools you can't afford to go to or don't want to push yourself towards just go back to playing some games and writing about them. There's nothing wrong with playing some games and writing about them but that's not journalism and it certainly doesn't give you carte blanche to talk about Game Design, Tertiary Qualifications or the state of the games industry.

That's odd, I seem to remember typing "journalist AND critic". Are you even reading my posts? Are you just taking a word or two from each one? I've read your posts in the past, and you don't seem like an unintelligent guy, so why are simple concepts like "and" being lost on you? Moreover, when did I talk about the state of the games industry? Instead of addressing my arguments, now you're inventing arguments, attributing them to me, then shooting them down? Really? So I can say "you have no proof that hamburgers are made of paper", and we'll still be on equal argumentative grounds.

And yet again, you miss the point anyway. I'm shitting on these schools because they are fucking people over. Also, why would I go to these schools that are offering classes for designers and programmers? That makes no damn sense.

I see no qualitative analysis of the schools which are supposedly 'fucking people over'. All I see is statements. Is that how you talk about the games you play?

What do you want me to do, ask for a free press enrollment? Apples and oranges. Use Google. It's there for a reason. Look up the lawsuits against these colleges. This isn't a "once or twice" thing, or only one college, it happens again and again.

Poorly researched degrees, just like any other poorly researched purchases, have less value than those which are researched properly. That many people don't do their due diligence is always true, that doesn't, however, make it OK for you to make blanket statements about Game Design degrees in general and malign people and Institutions that do want to do the right thing.

Are you physically unable to read my posts properly? Good god, man. My beef. Is with. The schools. That screw. People over. Not just in game design, but in all of their offered classes. You know, the only schools that advertise "learn to games now!!!" on TV and in magazines. The only ones that call their class something as generic and catch-all as "game design", even though "game design" covers many, many things that require distinctly different skillsets.

This is as crystal clear as I can make it. If you haven't gotten it by now, there's no getting through to you.

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@Noct said:

There is no such thing as an education in game design.

Can somebody put this right smack dab into the top of GB's homepage? Those courses are like liberal arts degrees for people who don't want to admit to themselves that they're throwing money away. (although it's much more possible to get some use out of liberal arts than it is from learning to "tighten up the graphics on level three")

Your post. It's right there. You're making a fucking wildly general statement with no evidence to back it up at all. You don't mention the word scam at all. This argument is over.

Inference. It's an incredible ability humans have that allows them to take surrounding evidence and put it together to discover the implied. It seems you have a deficiency in this area, and you may want to get that checked out. Read the OP. He's talking about "those schools", a.k.a the schools I'm calling a scam.

Sweet Georgia Brown, it's like you've never conversed before.

Inference. Through this ability I deduced that you know fucking nothing about the games industry. I also infer some other things too, but they can rest.

You are a gem, friend. I don't think I've ever laughed so hard during an argument as I have today. Even a troll would find it hard to miss the point by as wide a margin as you have. Repeatedly, no less. Now, we've crapped up this poor guy's thread for long enough. Feel free to PM me if you want to keep misreading things, and I'll get around to it sooner or later when I could use a chortle.

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@Little_Socrates said:

@ShaggE: I like the part where you say game design courses are a scam. Then your evidence is that game design schools are a scam and not nearly as good as game design courses at a reputable school.

...so, basically, go to a good college if you want your degree to mean something? What a fucking shocking statement. You're goddamned Sherlock Holmes!

I like the part where you misread my entire point, then get a little crazy with the sarcasm juice. The SCHOOLS are a scam. SCHOOLS. I said the game design courses are worthless at these schools. Again, so I'm extra clear: at these schools.

@SeriouslyNow:

Again, irrelevant, but I write as a journalist and critic. Because your next question will be along the lines of "prove it", know that I'm still new to the field and building my portfolio, and that I'm not claiming to be Jeff Gerstmann 2: Gerst Harder.

Now... how, exactly, do I sound as you say? Are you still on about the teapots? What point did I make that shows a lack of knowledge? I ask this sincerely, because I'm not just arguing to argue. By all means, show me that these advertised game design courses are a boon to aspiring programmers, and I'll be fast to admit that I am mistaken.

You write as a journalist? No you don't. You play some games and review them. A journalist actually interviews the creators of chosen subject matter, a journalist tries to get a proper understanding of the inner workings of the creative process and the industry which surround said creative process. You fucking play some games and write about them on some blog. I know it, you know it. So, please, instead of shitting on Schools you can't afford to go to or don't want to push yourself towards just go back to playing some games and writing about them. There's nothing wrong with playing some games and writing about them but that's not journalism and it certainly doesn't give you carte blanche to talk about Game Design, Tertiary Qualifications or the state of the games industry.

That's odd, I seem to remember typing "journalist AND critic". Are you even reading my posts? Are you just taking a word or two from each one? I've read your posts in the past, and you don't seem like an unintelligent guy, so why are simple concepts like "and" being lost on you? Moreover, when did I talk about the state of the games industry? Instead of addressing my arguments, now you're inventing arguments, attributing them to me, then shooting them down? Really? So I can say "you have no proof that hamburgers are made of paper", and we'll still be on equal argumentative grounds.

And yet again, you miss the point anyway. I'm shitting on these schools because they are fucking people over. Also, why would I go to these schools that are offering classes for designers and programmers? That makes no damn sense.

I see no qualitative analysis of the schools which are supposedly 'fucking people over'. All I see is statements. Is that how you talk about the games you play?

What do you want me to do, ask for a free press enrollment? Apples and oranges. Use Google. It's there for a reason. Look up the lawsuits against these colleges. This isn't a "once or twice" thing, or only one college, it happens again and again.

Poorly researched degrees, just like any other poorly researched purchases, have less value than those which are researched properly. That many people don't do their due diligence is always true, that doesn't, however, make it OK for you to make blanket statements about Game Design degrees in general and malign people and Institutions that do want to do the right thing.

Are you physically unable to read my posts properly? Good god, man. My beef. Is with. The schools. That screw. People over. Not just in game design, but in all of their offered classes. You know, the only schools that advertise "learn to games now!!!" on TV and in magazines. The only ones that call their class something as generic and catch-all as "game design", even though "game design" covers many, many things that require distinctly different skillsets.

This is as crystal clear as I can make it. If you haven't gotten it by now, there's no getting through to you.

@ShaggE said:

@Noct said:

There is no such thing as an education in game design.

Can somebody put this right smack dab into the top of GB's homepage? Those courses are like liberal arts degrees for people who don't want to admit to themselves that they're throwing money away. (although it's much more possible to get some use out of liberal arts than it is from learning to "tighten up the graphics on level three")

Your post. It's right there. You're making a fucking wildly general statement with no evidence to back it up at all. You don't mention the word scam at all. This argument is over.

Inference. It's an incredible ability humans have that allows them to take surrounding evidence and put it together to discover the implied. It seems you have a deficiency in this area, and you may want to get that checked out. Read the OP. He's talking about "those schools", a.k.a the schools I'm calling a scam.

Sweet Georgia Brown, it's like you've never conversed before.

@SeriouslyNow said:

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@Little_Socrates said:

@ShaggE: I like the part where you say game design courses are a scam. Then your evidence is that game design schools are a scam and not nearly as good as game design courses at a reputable school.

...so, basically, go to a good college if you want your degree to mean something? What a fucking shocking statement. You're goddamned Sherlock Holmes!

I like the part where you misread my entire point, then get a little crazy with the sarcasm juice. The SCHOOLS are a scam. SCHOOLS. I said the game design courses are worthless at these schools. Again, so I'm extra clear: at these schools.

@SeriouslyNow:

Again, irrelevant, but I write as a journalist and critic. Because your next question will be along the lines of "prove it", know that I'm still new to the field and building my portfolio, and that I'm not claiming to be Jeff Gerstmann 2: Gerst Harder.

Now... how, exactly, do I sound as you say? Are you still on about the teapots? What point did I make that shows a lack of knowledge? I ask this sincerely, because I'm not just arguing to argue. By all means, show me that these advertised game design courses are a boon to aspiring programmers, and I'll be fast to admit that I am mistaken.

You write as a journalist? No you don't. You play some games and review them. A journalist actually interviews the creators of chosen subject matter, a journalist tries to get a proper understanding of the inner workings of the creative process and the industry which surround said creative process. You fucking play some games and write about them on some blog. I know it, you know it. So, please, instead of shitting on Schools you can't afford to go to or don't want to push yourself towards just go back to playing some games and writing about them. There's nothing wrong with playing some games and writing about them but that's not journalism and it certainly doesn't give you carte blanche to talk about Game Design, Tertiary Qualifications or the state of the games industry.

That's odd, I seem to remember typing "journalist AND critic". Are you even reading my posts? Are you just taking a word or two from each one? I've read your posts in the past, and you don't seem like an unintelligent guy, so why are simple concepts like "and" being lost on you? Moreover, when did I talk about the state of the games industry? Instead of addressing my arguments, now you're inventing arguments, attributing them to me, then shooting them down? Really? So I can say "you have no proof that hamburgers are made of paper", and we'll still be on equal argumentative grounds.

And yet again, you miss the point anyway. I'm shitting on these schools because they are fucking people over. Also, why would I go to these schools that are offering classes for designers and programmers? That makes no damn sense.

I see no qualitative analysis of the schools which are supposedly 'fucking people over'. All I see is statements. Is that how you talk about the games you play?

What do you want me to do, ask for a free press enrollment? Apples and oranges. Use Google. It's there for a reason. Look up the lawsuits against these colleges. This isn't a "once or twice" thing, or only one college, it happens again and again.

Poorly researched degrees, just like any other poorly researched purchases, have less value than those which are researched properly. That many people don't do their due diligence is always true, that doesn't, however, make it OK for you to make blanket statements about Game Design degrees in general and malign people and Institutions that do want to do the right thing.

Are you physically unable to read my posts properly? Good god, man. My beef. Is with. The schools. That screw. People over. Not just in game design, but in all of their offered classes. You know, the only schools that advertise "learn to games now!!!" on TV and in magazines. The only ones that call their class something as generic and catch-all as "game design", even though "game design" covers many, many things that require distinctly different skillsets.

This is as crystal clear as I can make it. If you haven't gotten it by now, there's no getting through to you.