I can understand why some people are upset by this. If they had decided to remake Dungeon Keeper and then said it was going to be a FPS, i would be pretty upset; however I am a fan of Starbreeze so I'm kinda looking forward to this now.
Kinda wish they would remake the Crusader games. I even wouldn't mind if they were FPS, although I could see them turned into a Diablo style game as well.

Shooter or not, if its a good game I probably will get it.

@Shuborno said:

Starbreeze is a good developer.

Don't know what the point in resurrecting old forgotten IP in the form of a shooter is all the rage (eg. Shadowrun, XCOM, Syndicate). Why bother? Why not start fresh if the people who liked the original are not your audience?

Yeah, I don't get it either. Do they really think that fans of the old game will be thrilled to see it re-imagined as a FPS? Sometimes it looks likebigpublishers don't understand how the internet works.

I don't get this. I have no nostalgia for either Syndicate or X-Com, but what is the point of it? What is the advantage to slapping old licences on these generic shooters? Anyone who still remembers and has fondness for those games will only get angry at you for shitting on their memories, and those who don't just won't care either way.

Ah, Syndicate. The only reason I remember having to turn on my Sega Genesis. 
 
Anyway, remember the original Rainbow Six? Some sort of inspiration like that could qualify as an FPS and still make a worthy Syndicate remake. Hope is not lost...just not entirely likely, but innovative gameplay never is likely. Four player co-op versions of the original missions sounds interesting.

@Bombzinski said:

I don't get this. I have no nostalgia for either Syndicate or X-Com, but what is the point of it? What is the advantage to slapping old licences on these generic shooters? Anyone who still remembers and has fondness for those games will only get angry at you for shitting on their memories, and those who don't just won't care either way.

I was going to post exactly this.

As much as I would have loved playing a new Syndicate game like they were back in the days this doesn't bother me that much. I guess I'm just done with the whole "OMG, this game I've never played and I am never going to play sucks! I know this, my fathers, cousins, best friends, dogs, mothers, pool-boy works at EA and says this will suck"-thing.

I barely read the article, and I'm already stoked.

Starbreeze is alright

I'm going to hold out some hope that they include some kind of between-mission hub that allows the player to spend money on weapons and research. I don't mind changing the basic mechanics from an isometric strategy game to a shooter as long as the upgrading stuff stays in there. I really hope that stuff is in there and they just didn't mention it in the press-release because some PR douchebag thought it might scare off the kids.

Nice to see there's still no accumulated memory on the internet. We haven't heard one single thing about this (besides the format) or seen a single screenshot, but people are already deciding they're not going to buy it. Those people will be the first to pre-order.

Another uninspired shooter that gets a classic name popped on it.

SATELLITE RAIN

@EuanDewar said:

Hey guys. Starbreeze are pretty alright.

Starbreeze ain't Starbreeze no more. The Starbreeze we all know and kinda dig became MachineGames.

FPS or not, this could be awesome if you get to upgrade your dudes and equip them etc before heading out onto a mission to make more money to buy cool stuff. And then shoot miniguns, set people on fire and ride in a car around the city. Pretty sure all of that would still work from first person.

Lol at people.

This will probably turn out to be a good game but sadly it's no Syndicate. I'm okay with the perspective shift to 1st person but I would've hoped for some resource/team management and science stuff as secondary gameplay elements.

@mracoon said:

Waste of the IP. Starbreeze have a great pedigree when it comes to FPS's but using the Syndicate name won't do it any favours and will probably alienate the fans of the franchise.

Just like Fallout 3, right?

@PJ said:

@Shuborno said:

Don't know what the point in resurrecting old forgotten IP...

A perk with using an old ass IP is that not only do you get the old fans thanks to nostalgia but you can market it as a whole new game for a new audience so...

I question how big that existing audience is with that old IP...

Why cant they make it isometric like the old ones ?

I just got a $829.99 iPad2 for only $103.37 and my mom got a $1499.99 HDTV for only $251.92, they are both coming with USPS tomorrow. I would be an idiot to ever pay full retail prices at places like Walmart or Bestbuy. I sold a 37" HDTV to my boss for $600 that I only paid $78.24 for. I use BIDSGET.COM

So they take it and make a FPS out of it. Oh EA.

Sigh...

I'm loving the increased number of cyberpunk games. Even better is the trend for devs and publishers not to start talking about a game until it's close to release. I'm really tired of hearing about games that are 2 years out.

Well, I do enjoy me some FPSs.

Wow... didn't take long for people to automatically start bitching about it being an FPS without any slight hint that this will be either good or bad. "Oh no! A PC game I played 20 years ago is being changed to maintain a level of relevancy with the times??? NOOO!" I loved Syndicate, just as I loved X-Com, but come on... have a little objectivity instead of being a bunch of uptight overnostalgic dipshits for fuck's sake...

So... Is it also on Steam?

FPS are getting played out. Can we get some innovation please? The reason most of these games are remembered is because they did something original at the time (Syndicate, X-COM, etc.). But it doesn't seem like any of these modern interpretations are aiming for anything more than "mass appeal". I hope all these FPS remakes tank so companies will realize that you can't sell a game by name only.

Wow... didn't take long for people to automatically start bitching about it being an FPS without any slight hint that this will be either good or bad. "Oh no! A PC game I played 20 years ago is being changed to maintain a level of relevancy with the times??? NOOO!" I loved Syndicate, just as I loved X-Com, but come on... have a little objectivity instead of being a bunch of uptight overnostalgic dipshits for fuck's sake...

I miss Bullfrog.

@august said:

@mracoon said:

Waste of the IP. Starbreeze have a great pedigree when it comes to FPS's but using the Syndicate name won't do it any favours and will probably alienate the fans of the franchise.

Just like Fallout 3, right?

No, Fallout 3 was the same genre as its predecessors.

Looks like Deus Ex, which can only be a good thing.

@august said:

@mracoon said:

Waste of the IP. Starbreeze have a great pedigree when it comes to FPS's but using the Syndicate name won't do it any favours and will probably alienate the fans of the franchise.

Just like Fallout 3, right?

No, Fallout 3 was the same genre as its predecessors.

@mracoon said:

@august said:

@mracoon said:

Waste of the IP. Starbreeze have a great pedigree when it comes to FPS's but using the Syndicate name won't do it any favours and will probably alienate the fans of the franchise.

Just like Fallout 3, right?

No, Fallout 3 was the same genre as its predecessors.

Sure.

@mracoon

@august said:

@mracoon said:

Waste of the IP. Starbreeze have a great pedigree when it comes to FPS's but using the Syndicate name won't do it any favours and will probably alienate the fans of the franchise.

Just like Fallout 3, right?

No, Fallout 3 was the same genre as its predecessors.

But not really...both RPGs yes but turn based va first person action is a huge change.

Meh, the world has enough FPS games already. The original Syndicate was a really unique and very hard game. But just like X-Com and Fallout they are dumbing them down into shooters. Yes, Fallout 3 was rubbish compared to the brilliant first two games, IMHO.

Boring. First-person? That's so lazy, at least make it third-person!

@Shaanyboi said:

Wow... didn't take long for people to automatically start bitching about it being an FPS without any slight hint that this will be either good or bad. "Oh no! A PC game I played 20 years ago is being changed to maintain a level of relevancy with the times??? NOOO!" I loved Syndicate, just as I loved X-Com, but come on... have a little objectivity instead of being a bunch of uptight overnostalgic dipshits for fuck's sake...

Whether it's good or not doesn't really matter. The point is: Will it be a good Syndicate game? Well, no, because it's not a Syndicate game in the first place. It's just called that.

@Generic_username said:

@tiaphelps said:

I just got a $829.99 iPad2 for only $103.37 and my mom got a $1499.99 HDTV for only $251.92, they are both coming with USPS tomorrow. I would be an idiot to ever pay full retail prices at places like Walmart or Bestbuy. I sold a 37" HDTV to my boss for $600 that I only paid $78.24 for. I use BIDSGET.COM

Sounds fucking great. I know I'm not the only one reporting this shit. I really don't want this place filled with this crap like 1up and IGN are. Anyways. I swear I've been hearing about this for like, over a year.

Hey mods, can we get a ban on this "tiaphelps" account?

@gladspooky said:

@Shaanyboi said:

Wow... didn't take long for people to automatically start bitching about it being an FPS without any slight hint that this will be either good or bad. "Oh no! A PC game I played 20 years ago is being changed to maintain a level of relevancy with the times??? NOOO!" I loved Syndicate, just as I loved X-Com, but come on... have a little objectivity instead of being a bunch of uptight overnostalgic dipshits for fuck's sake...

Whether it's good or not doesn't really matter. The point is: Will it be a good Syndicate game? Well, no, because it's not a Syndicate game in the first place. It's just called that.

Whether or not it's a "good Syndicate game" kinda is irrelevant.  that game is 20 years old, and the number of people that that's relevant to is miniscule now.  Fallout 2 wasn't first-person, but that didn't illegitimize Fallout 3 for anyone with a level of reason.  Frankly, for a LOT MORE people now, the latter is what Fallout is, not the decade old games.   The number of people who'd care to play an old-style Syndicate or X-Com is barely anything now.  Call that selling out, or whatever you want, but really, the number of people that are offended by this compared to the number of people that could see this and just be like "Oh hey, this could be totally rad" is a huge fucking difference.

@DystopiaX said:

@mracoon

@august said:

@mracoon said:

Waste of the IP. Starbreeze have a great pedigree when it comes to FPS's but using the Syndicate name won't do it any favours and will probably alienate the fans of the franchise.

Just like Fallout 3, right?

No, Fallout 3 was the same genre as its predecessors.

But not really...both RPGs yes but turn based va first person action is a huge change.

Changing perspective doesn't change the genre, they both have most of the same core concepts and mechanics.

@gladspooky said:

@DystopiaX said:

@mracoon

@august said:

@mracoon said:

Waste of the IP. Starbreeze have a great pedigree when it comes to FPS's but using the Syndicate name won't do it any favours and will probably alienate the fans of the franchise.

Just like Fallout 3, right?

No, Fallout 3 was the same genre as its predecessors.

But not really...both RPGs yes but turn based va first person action is a huge change.

Yeah, because there weren't first-person RPGs back in the Fallout days. When Fallout 3 was first announced, they made a big deal about SPECIAL, vault suits, and power armor, which is what the fans cared about. With Syndicate, they're showing off "Hey, look how much this looks like Deus Ex!!! Great, right? Hey, hacking minigames! That's what you remember from Syndicate."

Fallout 3 is neither a great nor a terrible game, but as far as I'm concerned it isn't truly Fallout 3. It really felt like Oblivion with guns in a gray wasteland instead of a vibrant fantasy world. Changing the attributes to SPECIAL didn't really alter the mechanics of the Elder Scrolls skill system and VATS felt more like an apology for their terrible shooter controls than a throwback to the turn based nature of the Fallout games.

There are more than enough action RPGs and shooter games (both first and third person) to go around. Remaking old franchises in these saturated genres doesn't help with the lack of turn-based RPGs and tactics games.

@mracoon said:

@DystopiaX said:

@mracoon

@august said:

@mracoon said:

Waste of the IP. Starbreeze have a great pedigree when it comes to FPS's but using the Syndicate name won't do it any favours and will probably alienate the fans of the franchise.

Just like Fallout 3, right?

No, Fallout 3 was the same genre as its predecessors.

But not really...both RPGs yes but turn based va first person action is a huge change.

Changing perspective doesn't change the genre, they both have most of the same core concepts and mechanics.

I could argue that Syndicate never really was a strategy game. It was more top-down action with team and resource management in between missions. The missions themselves were a litle bit about strategically placing the agents, sure, but mostly about mowing down stuff (or persuading hordes of people). I remember vividly the gauss cannon infernos in the later missions of the game.

Basically, I'm okay with the changed perspective but I would've liked to have the science and management elements in between missions. And a non-linear campaign. That's all doable in 1st person perspective but sadly it sounds like they went the ordinary route and built a linear shooter. :(

Huh, interesting that they feel confident in their design to interpret maps and missions from the original. It's got me curious.

@gladspooky said:

@DystopiaX said:

@mracoon

@august said:

@mracoon said:

Waste of the IP. Starbreeze have a great pedigree when it comes to FPS's but using the Syndicate name won't do it any favours and will probably alienate the fans of the franchise.

Just like Fallout 3, right?

No, Fallout 3 was the same genre as its predecessors.

But not really...both RPGs yes but turn based va first person action is a huge change.

Yeah, because there weren't first-person RPGs back in the Fallout days. When Fallout 3 was first announced, they made a big deal about SPECIAL, vault suits, and power armor, which is what the fans cared about. With Syndicate, they're showing off "Hey, look how much this looks like Deus Ex!!! Great, right? Hey, hacking minigames! That's what you remember from Syndicate."

Fallout 3 is neither a great nor a terrible game, but as far as I'm concerned it isn't truly Fallout 3. It really felt like Oblivion with guns in a gray wasteland instead of a vibrant fantasy world. Changing the attributes to SPECIAL didn't really alter the mechanics of the Elder Scrolls skill system and VATS felt more like an apology for their terrible shooter controls than a throwback to the turn based nature of the Fallout games.

There are more than enough action RPGs and shooter games (both first and third person) to go around. Remaking old franchises in these saturated genres doesn't help with the lack of turn-based RPGs and tactics games.

I am a nerd whining about something. Someone validate my existence by arguing with me about it. Please be a kawaii girl.

I am a nerd whining about something. Someone validate my existence by arguing with me about it. Please be a kawaii girl.