Are You a Good Switch or a Bad Switch?

Clicked on this out of curiosity when it came up in "Today in Giant Bomb history," and these comments are absolutely hilarious to read 5 years after the fact. Really puts into perspective how much time and energy we all spend on online "discourse" that just ends up aging like milk.

Looking at these comments after nearly 3 years of the Switch is eye-opening. So much cynicism, but that's to be expected after the Wii U. Still, the Switch turned out to be one of the best consoles ever made.

I was skeptical of the Switch at first, because I felt that the Wii U's game line up was so sparse. After hearing the the Switch may combine the handheld and the home console market, I gained interest in the possibility of experiencing all of Nintendo's games on one platform. With this conference, it doesn't seem to be the case, but only time will tell what is to come for the library of Switch in the future.

One of my biggest disappoints with this release is that this Zelda game, which I may be mistaken, was advertised on the release lineup of the Wii U. As a Wii U owner, this game being advertised as a future release made me want to get it knowing this game was coming. Now it seems like the bookend to the Wii U's game library.

Having access to Nintendo's portable and home lineup on one platform would make the Switch a huge selling point for me. I haven't owned a portable since the Gameboy Advance, but I am interested in a lot of their releases. I always hated how the portables had games that were exclusive the them, and it seemed over time that the portable drew more and more from the home market. Super Smash Bros. 4 was the latest example and really makes me regret getting a Wii U.

It is going to be weird if their is no achievement / trophy system.

I'm so excited about this.Getting s new laptop and then going to get this.

@ronniebarzel: You're correct, however I was commenting on the fact that a lot of people think the American prices are too much and if you believe that to be the case the Australian prices are a kick in the teeth.

We have GST (Goods & Services Tax) here which is 10% but even so that should make the console $440. They for reasons unknown just chuck an extra 30 dollars on there.

@kissthedevil: But much of that is just due to the difference in the values of the U.S. and Australian dollars. When converted via XE.com, the prices of the accessories end up being only $5-$10 USD more than what we're paying here in the U.S. The console itself ends up about $350 USD, which is a harsh penalty for you, but the $90 AUD games come out to about $67 USD. (The ones that are listed as $100 on the EBGames Australia website all seem to be labeled as placeholders, so I would be surprised if they drop.)

I'm not saying it's fair, or that you're complaining about nothing. You definitely are paying more than in the United States, but it's not quite so bad as first glance would suggest.

I hope the switch fails so Nintendo will stop making consoles.

I laughed the whole way through arms. That game does not look good at all.

Some of those switch games make me cringe. Those joycons are ridiculous. Zelda looks good though. I'm not sold on that Mario game.

I get that most people who comment on these forums often subscribe to the "Japanese games are flailing" garbage but do we have to nullify an entire consoles lifespan because "ekkk motion controls". You know they still have that little portability thing. And LMAO at "charging 80 dollars for the real controller ruins the console."

Personally, I'm okay with the price, since the portability means I'm probably going to actually use the console. Unlike the lump of disappointing garbage that is the PS4 that is just collecting dust due to the lack of games.

I have a feeling I'll get one of these eventually but probably not immediately at release, though I'm thinking about preordering one just to sell back on ebay for twice the price.

this 1-2 switch thing is the most worthless effing thing ever

hey does anyone know how many games are in 1-2 switch

@undeadpool: Thanks!

The one thing i'm looking forward to about the Switch is watching the GB/GBE Crew milkin stuff

It seems like everyone confused by HD rumble never spent significant time with a Steam controller, the haptic feedback on the trackpads is probably the same tech. From what Nintendo is describing they're using linear actuator motors. The "Taptic engine" on iPhones is the same tech, they're just extremely precise and small motors and can be moved in ways that simulate physical things

'lotta people who really just want a PC with the word 'Nintendo' written on the side in these comments.

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Edit to add a more serious reply: I feel like people are taking the admittedly lacking launch lineup as some absolute confirmation that this is going to be a wii-u followup and nothing but. While I would have loved to see pokemon stars/a new main series Fire Emblem at the announcement, I feel like it's still a bit soon for either of those to be ready. If we get an annoucement that their portable staples are going to continue to be 3ds only then I'll gladly eat my hat and say that I'm not sure what they're doing with this thing.

Wizard of Oz. Glinda asks Dorothy: "Are you a good witch, or a bad witch?" after her house crushes the Wicked Witch of the East.

2017's Please Stop award goes to.....

@missashley said:

2 1/2 days later and I still don't understand it. Is it like good witch/bad witch? Is that a thing? 'Sandwich'?

Man, im tired of Nintendo chasing the wii money. This thing might do well for them but it just seems like there trying to do too much in one console.

i don't believe you.

@vinny I doubt you will have to explain to a four year old why "killing" is fun. Combat and aggression is pretty generic to the species. You have something I want I am going to take it from you and fight you for it - pretty much in the genes. Sharing and love is what you have to teach. Heart of Darkness/Lord of the flies/ reality.

Well, between the rarity of the console come March and the thin line up for the year, I probably won't be getting one of these anytime soon.

I'm still playing Zelda on my WiiU though. That game continues to impress me.

Travel back with me to the days of the Wii and remember those first moments you had some non-gamers try the system out. They had fun. So much fun that a huge number even put their own money down on a system that we know is underpowered and didn't offer many non-Nintendo games.

Now imagine you can take a Wii with you everywhere, you get two controllers in the base package, and the party games have evolved to encourage more fun social interactions. This thing is going to destroy on the market come March. On the 3rd when someone walks into a crowd of friends and says "Milk this cow with me", a huge number of converts will be made.

It's going to sell out again and good luck getting one before Christmas.

$250 was a price pulled out of the internet's ass with zero credibility and validation. still don't get why people are disappointed about that to the level they are. even if you feel the price is bad you still based your hopes on an unfounded rumor.

The switch looks great! Enjoyed this video a lot.

Is there any word on if it will support bluetooth audio out or have an ethernet port?

@benderunit22: That'll be such a bummer though. No one else even tries to do interesting things with their consoles anymore, they're all too scared of the potential failure.

Jeff: -I'm not sitting here, going like: "It looks like that shitty Sonic game.." I'm like:" IT LOOKS LIKE THAT SHITTY SONIC GAME!"

My interest in this thing tanked pretty severely over the last 24 hours. I was cautiously optimistic but the pricing and lack of games I care about really killed it for me.

I feel for the people who feel like they have to buy it just for those few Nintendo developed games.

@ripelivejam: 100% agree with you, but sadly his comment kinda reflects Jeff in this video, he gets stuck on the 1, 2 Switch. If its for comedic effect or his general opinion i dont know. I found it odd that it took them until a questiob was asked to mention that it actually has a touch screen, something that they have had made a massive point of in earlier podcasts, but in this video it was just mentioned as a sidenote.

Also did they even mention Xenoblade 2?

To me, I always end up buying Nintendo consoles in spite of what their dumb gimmicks are. You end up paying for shitty features you don't want (motion controllers, a touchscreen gamepad or in this care a "portable" system and some dinky controllers) while they skimp on things like storage capacity or competitive hardware.

Personally, I'd like Nintendo to stop making hardware and focus entirely on software, because people buy their systems only for their games anyway. If not, just make your console a simple box that what plugs in the tv and have a regular-ass controller with buttons and sticks and no extra bells and whistles.

Also, ever since they officially announced the Switch, I didn't quite understand the supposed hype and paradigm shift it might represent. Like, yeah, you can take your console games and play them on the go. That's what the PSP and the Vita were and people (including the GB staff) were very quick to point out how they would never want to play these types of games in a handheld fashion.

TL;DR: Nintendo make good, unique software, bad, unique hardware.

@kissthedevil: Add another $80 to the console and $10 to all the accessories, and you've got the NZ prices. And our dollar is basically at parity.

People wanted a unification of 3DS and Wii U, one place to buy all of Nintendo's games. They seem to have left all the 3DS games and developers out. Granted, Nintendo have been sending subtle hints this whole time that 3DS will continue for the foreseeable future, but if that's true they will have squandered the biggest potential behind the Switch. Instead, the presentation seemed to double down on silly motion controls and (expensive to implement) local coop play.

For those complaining about the price here is the Australian prices

Console: $470

Pro Controller: $100

Extra Joycon pair: $120

Extra dock: $130

The cheapest game is Has Been Heroes at $40 then 1, 2 Switch which is $70 most other games are $90 to $100 with the limited edition of Zelda clocking in at $190 and it doesn't seem to come with the console case that Reggie showed off on the tree house.

Yay Australia.

Has Vinny ever started a stream after setting up the A/V first?

I wonder where the long rumoured "finished" Pikmin game is? I suppose Nintendo needed to hold a few reveals back for E3

He explained his expectations in the video. A Nintendo console for him is a few Nintendo games a year. There are 5 or so games set to come out this year so that fits his bill. Not to mention things like Puyo Puyo Tetris which Dan can now play in English and on the go.

Not everything has to be fanboyism especially with direct context and explanations. Also the guy probably plays more games on PS4 and PC than Nintendo systems...

@yarbles: im sure waiting foe the newer chip would have sent the switch down another year or two at least of development hell, and then something ELSE better would have been out by then and we'd be asking the same question. all the while the wii u would have potentially stagnated further. maybe something along the r&d chain could have been tightened to make it possible in the same or close time frame, but we can only assume.

Look at your hands as you milk!

Jeff's GTFOH scenario about Switch 'imaginary ping pong' was priceless ;-)

Nintendo going down the same gimmicksville cul de sac as they have in past decade, when what they should have done was waited for the Tegra X2 for better battery life and almost XB1/PS4 performance while docked and similar performance at 720p when mobile.

The inventive thing for Nintendo do was not to double down on what they've being doing for a decade, it's a pity really because aesthetically they've actually made a console that looks like a piece of consumer electronics and not a toy for once.

I think what you compare this to first will impact your opinion the most. I see this as a handheld I can plug into my TV. I see this as my 3DS replacement. The 3DS launched in 2011 for $250 (270 after inflation adjustment), had garbage games for over a year and still was very successful (yes it had a very rough first year but still sold about 10 million units). However if I looked at this as my Wii U replacement or PS4/Xbox1 rival I would probably be disappointed or more concerned. I think people are forgetting that all the 3DS support will now be going to the Switch.

I have no idea how the Switch is going to turn out, but my generally feeling towards it is apathy at best. I constantly think that Nintendo are making poor decisions but they have proved me wrong multiple times. I hope to be proved wrong again. That said, their idea of charging for online services and then only offering a random NES or SNES game for 1 month before taking it away again is straight up bad.