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The Zelda Scramble

Dan has beat A Link to the Past a billion times the boring normal way, but what if there was a chicken or something in that chest instead of a sword?

May. 14 2018

Cast: Alex, Dan, Abby

Posted by: Abby

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Scramble? I hardly know her!

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Oh this will be good!

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Edited By Talon64

ALTTP Randomizer is soooooooo good, I'm beyond thrilled that Dan's playing it.

"There's a super active discord" there's a big ALTTP Rando tournament going on right now that started with over 500 people

edit: btw, there's not only a Super Metroid randomizer but an ALTTP/SM combo randomizer where you switch between games to find items for both games.

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Ten minutes in and I'm crying with laughter. Never change, Dan. I don't even like Zelda, and I'm super invested in this.

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Replace sword with lantern.

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Of course Dan gets the Master Sword at the first available moment! OF COURSE!

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Of course that's Dan's first item.

Of course.

Edit: @pudge jinx

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Dan Ryckert is my #content sugar daddy

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Thanks GB for teaching me about goatse.

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Oh geez I've watched/played too many of these not to have an immediate reaction when Dan misses a chest in an area he probably won't think to revisit..... This could end up being a long run, folks :'D

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Edited By Mento  Moderator

Spoiler: I sound like an unobservant idiot in this video. Listen out for it! Or don't! Maybe don't.

But yes, this was a fun feature, hope to see more of it. Maybe on a higher difficulty too.

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Why play the game like this it's basically a cheat code. It defeats the idea o f this premise...

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This was a fun stream. I would love to see them dip toes into some of the other randomizers out there. There's some crazy shit.

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@steveurkel: It's actually way better than that. It turns LttP into a run-based adventure game. He has a lot of items at the start, but pretty soon he hits the problem of, e.g., "I don't have a lamp or bow to progress through this dungeon" - and so a bunch of exploration is needed to try and find a lamp and bow. What can be found and where gets peeled back gradually, testing your knowledge of LttP, while also working your memory in terms of remembering where you've checked, what you can check, and so on.

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"I feel like you're an embarrassment of riches and power who can't do shit."

-Abby nonchalantly slaying Dan

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Alex's reactions when Dan gets stymied by not having a lamp are fantastic.

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@steveurkel: Randomizer is random. Getting anything out of order from what was originally intended is basically a cheat mode.

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Randomizer isn't "cheat mode", if the game gives you a lot of stuff early then it might screw you over later on the one item you need in order to make progress later or at least have an easier time.

Stuff like boots and mirror in Turtle Rock is not cheat mode lmao

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To answer Alex, the UK monarchy has some power, in fact the queen at any time can declare war without question.

http://royalcentral.co.uk/blogs/insight/what-are-the-queens-powers-22069

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The normal chests are always the same correct? Abby has me wondering if the original chests are random.

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@talon64 said:

Randomizer isn't "cheat mode", if the game gives you a lot of stuff early then it might screw you over later on the one item you need in order to make progress later or at least have an easier time.

Stuff like boots and mirror in Turtle Rock is not cheat mode lmao

You can set how generous the game is with the order of the random items. It can be cheat mode but can also be set to possibly be impossible to complete.

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@tyger0485: I don't really understand your question, but basically everything is random.

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Oh yes, more of this please!

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@talon64: The Super Metroid randomizer sounds really intriguing, as someone who half-tried to figure out how to break the game and skip past certain spots/get items early as a kid.

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I see a lot of confusion here, so let me recap some of the default randomizer rules:

All of the items throughout Hyrule are randomized. This primarily involves chests, but also includes any place or event that would have a heart piece, heart container, or usable item. There are 216 such places throughout Hyrule, including all the dungeon chests, boss drops, etc. Most of these locations contain "junk", meaning rupees, bombs, arrows, bomb/arrow capacity upgrades (the gold bomb/arrows), but others contain the items you need to beat the game. There are 10 dungeons, and a random 7 of them are selected as "crystal" dungeons required to enter Ganon's Tower and beat the game.

Keys, maps, and compasses stay in their original dungeon, but if they were originally in a chest they can be shuffled to a different chest within that dungeon. Keys under pots and on enemies stay where they are.

Items will always be placed in such a way that the seed can be completed without outside knowledge, such as knowledge of dark rooms or glitches, but sometimes requires using items in ways that may not be normally seen in a 'vanilla' playthrough (such as using the boots to bonk across gaps, or the whirlpool teleporters to get up to Zora's domain). If a seed cannot be completed that is a bug and you should report it on the bug-report channel on the Discord.

Equipment is always progressive, meaning you will always progress from Fighter's Sword to Master Sword to the Tempered Sword to the Gold Sword, regardless of what order you open the chests in.

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I don't have a lot of familiarity with the mod, but man, if there is a way to find out where the lantern is hiding, that would be so sweet. LttP is a perfect fit for something like this.

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Why play the game like this it's basically a cheat code. It defeats the idea o f this premise...

Explain how.

All those cool items he got like the new tunic and the best sword in the game, and the silver arrows and all that do next to NOTHING for him.

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Working as Nintended.

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Ah fuck yes, the LTTP Randomizer is freaking amazing

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I don't have a lot of familiarity with the mod, but man, if there is a way to find out where the lantern is hiding, that would be so sweet. LttP is a perfect fit for something like this.

By default the Randomizer actually also generates a spoiler containing the location of each item that you can check if you are stuck. Though the names of the locations can be somewhat cryptic at first...

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This video is amazing, its like seeing Dan getting SandBird all the time.

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I love this so much, please continue as a series.

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Dan sounds just like his dad throughout this. As someone who has as much love for ALttP as Dan, this is awesome. God this game is still the best.

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@pudge: Just about to boot this video up and joked to my SO that this would probably happen (the game is one of our favorites and I was explaining the randomizer thing to her) and then I come here and read your post and JESUS, haha.

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Some links for anyone that is interested:
https://www.twitch.tv/speedgaming/ - They regularly run a lot of tournaments, speed running, randomizer or otherwise. The Spring ALTTP Randomizer tournament (Started April 9th) is currently underway. There is also Key Insanity and Door Randomizer varients. Check out their archives! Hours and hours of enjoyment. :)

http://vt.alttp.run/ - Want to attempt it yourself? Here you go!

And a really interesting ALTTP randomizer run I watched somewhat recently: RidleyDragon v someone325

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@steveurkel said:

Why play the game like this it's basically a cheat code. It defeats the idea o f this premise...

Explain how.

All those cool items he got like the new tunic and the best sword in the game, and the silver arrows and all that do next to NOTHING for him.

Yeah, the chat was going crazy asking for a reset after the first hour, without realizing how little most of those things did, and how easy it is to miss a chest that happens to have a key item. Especially if you're coming from a casual playthrough style, there are a ton of little chests that have crap in them that people never find. The difficulty in this doesn't come from killing the bosses or dying.

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I guess lowercase letters got locked away in a different, yet-to-be-discovered chest as well.

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This whole damn thing was blown wide open!

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Kissing is perverted

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@deathpooky said:

The difficulty in this doesn't come from killing the bosses or dying.

This is exactly it. Getting good swords and extra damage resistance just makes combat easier, and the challenge of randomizer isn't in the combat -- remember that people regularly play this without any sword at all. It's about improvising the route through the game based on what items you find and knowing which parts those items let you access.

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oreo o's are so fucking good

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This is good stuff right here.

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Isn't there one of these for Dark Souls, too?

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I've been craving an omelette, but I'd absolutely settle for a Zelda Scramble.

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Dan's face every time he opens a chest.

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Alex watching Dan struggle through what almost seemed like a Sisyphean task may be the happiest I've ever seen him on a stream.