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From #1reasonwhy to #1reasontobe, and 1,600 Comments In-Between

Some thoughts on the fiery discussion prompted at Giant Bomb and elsewhere by a Twitter hashtag meant to raise awareness of sexism in the video game industry.

As with Mirror's Edge, the upcoming Tomb Raider revival was penned by Rhianna Pratchett, and tells the story of how Lara Croft came to be.

A tweet alone cannot change anything, but enough tweets can become a movement, a movement can raise awareness, and awareness can lead to action. That’s the potential power behind #1reasonwhy, a hashtag from this weekend encouraging women members of the games industry to speak up with stories of their own difficulties, and raise needed awareness about industry sexism.

#1reasonwhy is, by design, full of upsetting, troubling, and negative stories about what it’s like to be a woman that’s making video games in 2012, and games writer Rhianna Pratchett (the upcoming Tomb Raider reboot, Mirror’s Edge, Heavenly Sword) figured something more positive would be of use. Thus, the creation of #1reasontobe, a hashtag with reasons why women are part of the industry at this very moment, should continue to be part of the industry, and call attention to the many stories of strong, independent women succeeding in games--or trying.

Here are a few of their stories:

#1reasonwhy is important, but I’m creating #1reasontobe because I’d like female devs to share why they're in games & what they get from it.

— Rhianna Pratchett (@rhipratchett) November 27, 2012

So our children can see women succeeding in tech and games, and not know why it would ever be any different. #1reasontobe

— strange language (@neuralwiles) November 27, 2012

#1reasontobe Because of the jobs I've had in the past ~7 years, the ones where I create game-related things make me the most happy.

— Eve Walter (@MidnightRem) November 27, 2012

Because my daughter plays video games, she loves video games, and she needs role models who have come before her to be strong. #1reasontobe

— CK Burch (@ckburch) November 27, 2012

#1reasontobe Because when you find a game company who values everyone's opinion, you can just concentrate on making phenomenal games.

— Lindz (@lindzart) November 27, 2012

#1reasontobe - After years of work & careers which left me unfulfilled and outcast from so much, I've found a welcome & passionate home.

— Donna Prior (@_Danicia_) November 27, 2012

There is a growing diverse, queer culture that needs more voice, and games can give it to them. Now let us have it #1ReasonToBe

— Mattie Brice (@xMattieBrice) November 27, 2012

#1reasontobe Despite the bullshit, I am able to work constantly with amazing men and women who care about telling great stories

— Lillian Cohen-Moore (@lilyorit) November 27, 2012

#1reasontobe Because most men in the industry are accepting/inclusive/supportive. Don't let the bad apples dissuade you from going for it.

— LM Lockhart (@missdoomcookie) November 27, 2012

And #1reasontobe is that the only way to change things is to be part of the change. #wecandobetter

— Kathleen (@ninjaharlot) November 27, 2012

#1reasontobe When you get feedback from players that your game changed their life in some way, let them be the hero for once

— Tara J. Brannigan (@kindofstrange) November 27, 2012

#1reasontobe Cuz at their best, games push new boundaries in experience, and we're like 0.5% of the way to getting good at that. Define it!

— AngelosLH (@AngelosLH) November 27, 2012

#1ReasonToBe Because my presence here is changing the industry.

— Ceri Young (@Toughlovemuse) November 27, 2012

It’s good #1reasontobe exists. A problem isn’t solved without a solution, and #1reasontobe provides the disenchanted with glimmers of hope we can work towards a better environment. The next step is creating accessible avenues for people to make connections beyond Twitter, which #1reasonmentor aspires towards.

I haven’t done the math, but yesterday’s article about #1reasonwhy probably broke a comments record on Giant Bomb. I stopped reading the thread after it passed 500 or so comments, both because it’s pretty unwieldy in our current system, and I was roundly discouraged by some of the discussion.

Much of the response felt driven by a feeling that talking about #1reasonwhy, and thereby discussing problems women having in the games industry, suddenly means there are zero problems for men. Elevating the discussion of misogyny implies there is no misandry, or so the argument goes. I don’t buy that, and have trouble reasoning with people who continue to peddle it. Bringing up one very real problem does not invalidate other very real problems, but being so dismissive of the argument suggests you aren’t taking the original argument seriously, and instead want to discredit it because you don’t believe it has any merit in the first place. At least be honest.

I do not consider myself a feminist or particularly aligned with the feminist movement. I just know bullshit when I see it, and I'm tired of bullshit that involves the vapid, shallow arguments that crawl out of the comments section of every single website whenever this subject comes out. It feels like the same 50 people are just making dupe accounts across the Internet, and making sure to drown out any real conversation. Those people deserve a chance to be heard, and that includes the larger-than-you'd-think audience of women right here on Giant Bomb.

Maybe I’m just wading into an unwinnable argument, but I wanted to paste a comment that seemed emblematic of so much of the 1,600 comment (and still growing) thread.

I actually don’t have much of a problem with this comment, except for the fact that it was made at all. Video games, like any entertainment medium, are just a hobby to a vast majority of the audience, and their daily lives are filled with concerns vastly more important than the dynamics between men and women in the games industry. That is 100% okay, as there are plenty of things that I enjoy where I’ve done little-to-no research about whether I’m comfortable with all that’s happening behind-the-scenes. Still, you took the time to scroll to the bottom of this article, long after the achievement for a first post was possible, and post a comment that amounts to little more than trolling. There is no opinion here, and we’d all be better off if the discussion, positive or negative, didn’t include pointless derailment.

This isn’t all of you, obviously, and many of you made substantive arguments, even if I disagreed. I suppose the biggest problem I have is with the tone, the dismissiveness, the idea that none of this matters, and that if people only just spoke up at their jobs, engaged with sexual harassment laws (which is hardly the most pervasive issue), changed their attitude, this would just go away. “I have a solution, just grow some fucking balls,” was one comment that stuck out on page 20-something of the comments. There is a reason why it’s not easy to just “grow some fucking balls,” and it’s because of the response these subjects generate, and the seemingly futile nature of having this debate in a public forum. Not to mention that if you’re looking at the current layoff happy climate of the games industry, speaking up about this issue and possibly risking your job if it backfires doesn’t sound like the greatest idea ever.

If you were a woman at a game developer, would you want to speak up after reading that thread, or the countless others that sprouted up yesterday? Twitter is, at least, a place where you can do filtering and hear voices you regard.

“I’ve been watching the #1reasonwhy hashtag on Twitter with an anxious kind of understanding,” said games writer Katie Williams in a blog not long after #1reasonwhy started catching fire. “Like, part of me wants to jump right in and post a dozen of my own experiences, but I’ve also learned what happens if you say that shit publicly: you’re berated, blamed, dismissed. I’ve been there.”

She is not alone, and I don’t blame her for it.

I suspect there's an underlying fear involved in all of this, as well. "What does this mean for the games we love? What if we're okay with how games are made already? Don't ruin them!" Change, while painful, is often healthy, but I'm also realistic. I don't expect drastic change due to market realities--what sells well will continue to sell well, and that includes plenty of dudebro that, hey, I also enjoy playing! You know, even if the Entertainment Software Association does report that 47% of all game players are women. If there's better women representation in development, those people given a bigger voice, it's not going to make the video games you already enjoy go away. But maybe it means video game companies will be more willing to create games for a growing audience who play games because they love games but do not have characters that speak to them. It might not change publishers who release games with women protagonists but don't support them with marketing, but change happens slowly.

Again, it’s weird. I’m a guy, I’ve never had to deal with any of these problems. But I’m willing to admit where there’s smoke, there’s probably fire, and listening is helpful, informative. If you don’t want to listen, you don’t have to. No one is forcing you. Just stop shouting down others who want to.

As with last time, I'll leave you with my own contribution, this time for #1reasontobe.

#1reasontobe Because we need strong female role models, and more of them. It won't solve everything, but it's a start.

— Patrick Klepek (@patrickklepek) November 28, 2012
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1698 Comments
Posted by Sherlock_Pwnz

Not one to ever usually comment on articles or the forums...

Just wanted to support you Patrick. I'm glad that you're taking the issue and your job seriously.

Thanks.

Posted by Sil3n7

@Veektarius said:

I don't see how this could spawn a more productive discussion than the first one, especially since it takes a more accusatory tone.

+1

Posted by Crispy

Articles like this begin to justify the need for an Editorial category on the site -- whereas this story is categorized as News. That's not to say that I disagree with any of the sentiment put forth, but the article obviously sticks out from normal news content. While it could be argued that such visibility is a positive, I think a section devoted solely towards editorial would ignite and encourage more elaborate discussions akin to this one.

Edited by churrific

@trolipo3 said:

@churrific said:

I know that this is an op-ed, or at least reads like one, but I'll just say I found it distasteful for Patrick to be calling out a single person like that and using his comment to encompass a whole slew of conversations that he read only a third of.

a person posted his comment out there for everyone

deal with it

I didn't say the comment itself was good. Seems petty to me to call someone out like that in front of the whole community. It's like it's grade school or something.

Posted by iAmJohn

@BlastProcessing said:

@Napalm said:

@BlastProcessing said:

@Napalm said:

is a piece of shit of a human being. Throw out a ban if you feel necessary mods, but it's fucking true.

You sound like an even bigger scum. The dude just voiced his thoughts on the situation. If I am to disagree with this movement (which I do), am I a piece of shit of a human being as well? Your gestapo-esque attitude is more worthy of the banhammer.

"It's just a video game," is a terrible fucking blanket excuse to throw out there when you disagree with something with no real reasoning or sound advice behind it. So yes, if you agree with his exact sentiments, then consider yourself in that camp.

Problems in our industry are a real issue. It's like nobody wants to talk about actual issues about what is happening. People just want to say, "it's just all videogame fun-time, guise! No reason to get all angry and upset!"

Okay, good to know you consider people a terrible excuse for human beings cause they wanna play the games they spent $60 for, and not caring about the programmer who overheard a higher up remark that she has "nice assets".

People just want the product they paid for, why care about what the women who were in the development team may or may not have went through, when the games you spent a year or two waiting is finally in your console and ready to play? It's the same for many things. Do people who purchase clothing care about the children in foreign countries that are making the very shirts they are wearing? Heck no, they care about how they look in it. Although unlike the gaming feminist march going on, the children nitting Ed Hardy shirts in Panama is actually a fucked up issue.

Translation: I'm a person of privilege who will never have to deal with this so why the fuck should I have to hear about it? It doesn't affect me so it's not my problem; let someone else care.

Posted by anarchyzombie9

@EnduranceFun: hey, don't put sexist in quotes first of all because don't deny that sexism is prevalent as hell in the gaming industry/community. and honestly, I'd rather Patrick post something of substance that resembles actual journalism and has a purpose than see some article about the hottest new CoD DLC. But, maybe that's just me. Different strokes for different folks.

Posted by kahjah

@SamFo: I had a conversation with a friend of mine about this issue that branched into one about white privilege, we are both black and he is a couple of years younger than I am (I'm 34). Once I explained the concept he rebuffed by saying "Why are you talking about this? He didn't want to even acknowledge that the possibility of these things even existing.

I believe that the people mad a Patrick are just like my friend wearing huge blinders about the world around them who are incapable of thinking that other people come up against these issues daily.

It's extremely sad.

Posted by gelatinabomination

@DrKunze: PLEASE don't bring the "hardcore" vs "casual" argument in here. It's heated enough as is.

And bravo for Patrick for keeping the discussion going. Some might argue on how this follow-up article was needed, but I am fascinated to see how this whole industry discussion turns out.

Posted by EnduranceFun

@anarchyzombie9: Sexism can be argued to be 'prevalent' everywhere. This is not unique to the gaming industry and Patrick fails to do any more than beat a dead horse.

Edited by cuxun

Definitely agree with Patrick. Sexism is a problem, We might not be able to fix it. but we can raise awareness.

AmericanNinja was giving his opinion, Trolling for sure, but giving opinion none the less. My problem with his comment was not the indifference, but that is just an easy way to make other problems seem bigger.

I was born and raised in a third world country, and yes it's fucked up there. That doesn't mean Sexism is less of an issue, and it happens everywhere.

Posted by hurtfulmadmax

We should have an "editorial" section in Giantbomb. This is as biased as "news" gets. Then again I remember Jeff saying that's the point of Giantbomb; to promote and share the personalities of the site.

Posted by Enigma777

Man, these articles are dumb.

Posted by Turambar

@EnduranceFun said:

@Turambar: I do find it quite ridiculous he picks out one guy to shame and ignores everyone else, ostensibly because he doesn't want to hear opposing opinions [discouraging!]. No offence to the user, but his poor grammar and insensitive post doesn't represent those well who disagreed with Patrick's antics.

Patrick does acknowledge that there are plenty of posts far more substantive than his example, but still opposite of his point of view.

My problem has more to do with breaking forum rules that has resulted in edits and thread locks whenever any other user did this in the past. Well, I also just think this article is needless, but that's a much lesser annoyance.

Posted by hurtfulmadmax

@EnduranceFun said:

Most of the discussion from the comment section ignored. Thanks for the misinformation, because the discussion you perpetuated was 'discouraging.' Yes, yes, sexism bad, Patrick good.

You also posted the same tweet twice...?

To sum up the comment section:

  • Faith is not a memorable character at all and it's insulting the way you talk about her female writer
  • Virtual boobies in Dead or Alive DLC is not equatable to real world problems
  • Secretaries are largely female and gamers are largely male, thus the stereotypes
  • Twitter is not a good sole sample for a 'news story'
  • How about some coverage on social issues in games other than sexism?

EnduranceFun bringing the heat again.

Edited by Bishop113

I know it's a mistake commenting on this crap more because it's just going to go to shit as these discussions always do.

Patrick, I agree with you that it would be nice to have more strong female roles in games, there are a lot out there IMO, but it's pretty clear not as many as there are male protagonists. The problem I have with this and with -most- feminist movements is that it's not about change, it's not about getting the word out and fighting for improvement in respect for women. It's about shock and awe, it's about acting like a victim and blatantly focusing on only a few negative examples whilst ignoring literally thousands of positive examples. This happens in all media and quite frankly, the fact that you are dragging it onto giantbomb instead of giving me actual news on the industry and more insider stuff like you usually do, it just pisses me off. I don't want this melodramatic bullshit on the one gaming site I still visit and if it continues, I'll just stop coming here just like I unfollowed you on twitter. I know that means nothing in the grand scheme of things given you probably have several hundred thousand visits monthly/bi-monthly, but it disappoints me that the site I've been coming to for years is becoming a place I want nothing to do with when you guys talk about this type of shit.

Someone on the last article said this is like a gawker article, just made for click-bait and I agree. Keep this on your twitter and out of this website please.

Posted by shintsurugi

As a male, I can't hope to know what sexism feels like from the other side.

That's why I'm glad things like this get brought to my attention. It may not be what I'm looking for from a gaming site, but I like to know when my favorite hobby suffers from problems like this.

Keep up what you're doing. Keep people informed. That's what journalists are for, aren't they?

Edited by EnduranceFun

@hurtfulmadmax: I wonder if Pat-san notices me. *blush*

While we're on equality, why is Eve Walter twice as important as everyone else quoted? I call bias.

Posted by AthleticShark

Articles like these really bring out peoples true colors. I held the community to high standards and now I just shake my head.

Oh well.

Posted by YOU_DIED

@EnduranceFun said:

@YOU_DIED said:

Well said, but how about more games and less social issues?

Beggars can't be choosers. :'(

YES! Now that I have an audience, I can use my power to peddle my uninformed social commentary with quotes from internet social networking platforms. Just kidding, lets play some fucking games instead.

Posted by Cloudenvy

@EnduranceFun: Senpai never looks at me. : (

Posted by pbhawks45

@EnduranceFun said:

@anarchyzombie9: Sexism can be argued to be 'prevalent' everywhere. This is not unique to the gaming industry and Patrick fails to do any more than beat a dead horse.

So, because it is everywhere, it can't be more prevalent in the games industry than in other fields? Is that a valid excuse to keep things the status quo?

Posted by CornBREDX
@pbhawks45: I feel you are reading way to much into what I said haha 
 
When I say there are bigger issues in the world, I mean say- the fact that Iraq was put in the middle of a "war" it's people never wanted or technically deserved and it's country is in shambles. Or hungry children everywhere in the world. There are bigger issues.
 
This is an issue and I do think it should be discussed. I do not wish to downplay it with further arguments, but I think people blow equality issues in general into major proportions (meaning sometimes they say it's not a big deal, sometimes they say they don't care, etc. etc.). 
 
I don't want to get into that, though. It's not my intent to start an argument over equality semantics. 
 
Anyway, I had (still have really) no intention of discussing this further. My main goal was to point out that I agree with a point Patrick raised, and why I don't generally comment on articles like this. =)
Posted by xMrSunshine

I don't really want to comment on this can of worms but duuuuuuude why would you call a user out in an article on the main page because he made stupid comment on the internet. At least block the name and jesus fucking christ don't post a picture and everything. I'm pretty effing sure that's against the rules of this site. Rules that every user needs to agree to follow when they make their account (might not be true, it's been a while since I made an account) and if they break the rules they can/should get punished for it. Not a great example of this when a staff member does something like this.

Whaaaat the fuuuuck. If you're smart you'll do some damage control and edit that shit out like ten minutes ago.

Posted by Grimluck343

@hurtfulmadmax said:

@EnduranceFun said:

Most of the discussion from the comment section ignored. Thanks for the misinformation, because the discussion you perpetuated was 'discouraging.' Yes, yes, sexism bad, Patrick good.

You also posted the same tweet twice...?

To sum up the comment section:

  • Faith is not a memorable character at all and it's insulting the way you talk about her female writer
  • Virtual boobies in Dead or Alive DLC is not equatable to real world problems
  • Secretaries are largely female and gamers are largely male, thus the stereotypes
  • Twitter is not a good sole sample for a 'news story'
  • How about some coverage on social issues in games other than sexism?

EnduranceFun bringing the heat again.

You should have seen this man yesterday.

Posted by BrianP

@EnduranceFun said:

@anarchyzombie9: Sexism can be argued to be 'prevalent' everywhere. This is not unique to the gaming industry and Patrick fails to do any more than beat a dead horse.

If it's prevalent, it still exists, if it still exists it is not a "dead horse". You are like the Thomas Friedman of metaphors on the comment sections of these articles.

Posted by anarchyzombie9

I'm just gonna sit back and watch Men's Rights Activists talk about how hard being a straight white male in America is and sip my mojito like the fancy Southern gentleman I am.

Posted by Milkman

@xMrSunshine said:

I don't really want to comment on this can of worms but duuuuuuude why would you call a user out in an article on the main page because he made stupid comment on the internet. At least block the name and jesus fucking christ don't post a picture and everything. I'm pretty effing sure that's against the rules of this site. Rules that every user needs to agree to follow when they make their account (might not be true, it's been a while since I made an account) and if they break the rules they can/should get punished for it. Not a great example of this when a staff member does something like this.

Whaaaat the fuuuuck. If you're smart you'll do some damage control and edit that shit out like ten minutes ago.

If you post a comment publicly on the internet, it's for everyone to see. People should think before they type.

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Posted by leebmx

Thanks for bringing this to everyone's attention. Even if it brings all the knuckle-draggers out.

Posted by iAmJohn

@xMrSunshine said:

I don't really want to comment on this can of worms but duuuuuuude why would you call a user out in an article on the main page because he made stupid comment on the internet. At least block the name and jesus fucking christ don't post a picture and everything. I'm pretty effing sure that's against the rules of this site. Rules that every user needs to agree to follow when they make their account (might not be true, it's been a while since I made an account) and if they break the rules they can/should get punished for it. Not a great example of this when a staff member does something like this.

Whaaaat the fuuuuck. If you're smart you'll do some damage control and edit that shit out like ten minutes ago.

I'm sorry, but how would this in any way be against the rules? This is no different from me hitting the quote button to reply to your post; the only difference is that there's picture proof that he wrote it.

Posted by pbhawks45

@Bishop113 said:

I know it's a mistake commenting on this crap more because it's just going to go to shit as these discussions always do.

Patrick, I agree with you that it would be nice to have more strong female roles in games, there are a lot out there IMO, but it's pretty clear not as many as there are male protagonists. The problem I have with this and with -most- feminist movements is that it's not about change, it's not about getting the word out and fighting for improvement in respect for women. It's about shock and awe, it's about acting like a victim and blatantly focusing on only a few negative examples whilst ignoring literally thousands of positive examples. This happens in all media and quite frankly, the fact that you are dragging it onto giantbomb instead of giving me actual news on the industry and more insider stuff like you usually do, it just pisses me off. I don't want this melodramatic bullshit on the one gaming site I still visit and if it continues, I'll just stop coming here just like I unfollowed you on twitter. I know that means nothing in the grand scheme of things given you probably have several hundred thousand visits monthly/bi-monthly, but it disappoints me that the site I've been coming to for years is becoming a place I want nothing to do with when you guys talk about this type of shit.

Someone on the last article said this is like a gawker article, just made for click-bait and I agree. Keep this on your twitter and out of this website please.

Peace out, then.

Edited by Turambar

@Milkman said:

@xMrSunshine said:

I don't really want to comment on this can of worms but duuuuuuude why would you call a user out in an article on the main page because he made stupid comment on the internet. At least block the name and jesus fucking christ don't post a picture and everything. I'm pretty effing sure that's against the rules of this site. Rules that every user needs to agree to follow when they make their account (might not be true, it's been a while since I made an account) and if they break the rules they can/should get punished for it. Not a great example of this when a staff member does something like this.

Whaaaat the fuuuuck. If you're smart you'll do some damage control and edit that shit out like ten minutes ago.

If you post a comment publicly on the internet, it's for everyone to see. People should think before they type.

It actually is against forum rules, and violations of it has seen mod action in the past. Regardless of your opinion, would you agree the staff should abide by the rules of their own website?

Posted by ZeForgotten
@HellBound said:
Articles like these really bring out peoples true colors. I held the community to high standards and now I just shake my head. Oh well.
That was your first mistake.  
People are disgusting when it comes down to it. 
Posted by AuthenticM

Bringing up one very real problem does not invalidate other very real problems, but being so dismissive of the argument suggests you aren’t taking the original argument seriously, and instead want to discredit it because you don’t believe it has any merit in the first place. At least be honest.

BOOM. Patrick killing it !

Posted by Brodehouse

"Dudebro" is apparently an acceptable target for your scorn and derision. We've created an insult that is literally a compound word in which both pieces mean 'male'. Imagine if we had a gender flipped insult, would you feel as justified in labelling anything you didn't like with it? I want equality and fairness for men and women, and yet the dialogue remains constantly around shame and recrimination for the 'privilege' of being born male.

Patrick, you are a feminist. So am I. If you believe women are human beings with the same rights as men, you are a feminist. So is any rational thinking person in the world. To believe that feminism automatically corresponds to the self-interested complaints of vocal academia is the dark trick that the censors and Sarkeesians of the world want you to stumble into.

Posted by Unequivocable

This is why we can't have nice things...

I look forward to the day the internet grows up and discussions can be had about serious topics while keeping the focus on the serious topics. It seems like most times the discussion moves to be about the discussion itself to the detriment of the original story. So the story is no longer about women in gaming, it's about the internet's response to the story about women in gaming, and how the internet is full of trolls.

Posted by Grimluck343

@Turambar said:

@Milkman said:

@xMrSunshine said:

I don't really want to comment on this can of worms but duuuuuuude why would you call a user out in an article on the main page because he made stupid comment on the internet. At least block the name and jesus fucking christ don't post a picture and everything. I'm pretty effing sure that's against the rules of this site. Rules that every user needs to agree to follow when they make their account (might not be true, it's been a while since I made an account) and if they break the rules they can/should get punished for it. Not a great example of this when a staff member does something like this.

Whaaaat the fuuuuck. If you're smart you'll do some damage control and edit that shit out like ten minutes ago.

If you post a comment publicly on the internet, it's for everyone to see. People should think before they type.

It actually is against forum rules, and violations of it has seen mod action in the past. Regardless of your opinion, would you agree the staff should abide by the rules of their own website?

What rule, exactly?

Posted by pbhawks45

@CornBREDX said:

@pbhawks45: I feel you are reading way to much into what I said haha

When I say there are bigger issues in the world, I mean say- the fact that Iraq was put in the middle of a "war" it's people never wanted or technically deserved and it's country is in shambles. Or hungry children everywhere in the world. There are bigger issues.

This is an issue and I do think it should be discussed. I do not wish to downplay it with further arguments, but I think people blow equality issues in general into major proportions (meaning sometimes they say it's not a big deal, sometimes they say they don't care, etc. etc.). I don't want to get into that, though. It's not my intent to start an argument over equality semantics. Anyway, I had (still have really) no intention of discussing this further. My main goal was to point out that I agree with a point Patrick raised, and why I don't generally comment on articles like this. =)

My apologies. I hope you get what I mean, though. I think there are women who want things to improve, and are afraid of receiving backlash in their workplaces, however unjust it may be. Especially in this economy, where finding a job is really, really hard.

Posted by Milkman

@Turambar said:

@EnduranceFun said:

@Turambar: I do find it quite ridiculous he picks out one guy to shame and ignores everyone else, ostensibly because he doesn't want to hear opposing opinions [discouraging!]. No offence to the user, but his poor grammar and insensitive post doesn't represent those well who disagreed with Patrick's antics.

Patrick does acknowledge that there are plenty of posts far more substantive than his example, but still opposite of his point of view.

My problem has more to do with breaking forum rules that has resulted in edits and thread locks whenever any other user did this in the past. Well, I also just think this article is needless, but that's a much lesser annoyance.

That's not a rule. If the article was called "[INSERT USER NAME HERE] is a sexist asshole", that'd be against the rules. But this guy posted his comment on a public forum on the internet. In turn, he's subject to praise, criticism, whatever. Saying that the forum user's name shouldn't be included in like saying all of the tweets in the first article and this one shouldn't be included. People should think before they type and some sort of responsibility for your words is sadly missing on the internet.

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Edited by ptys

I used to work in retail fashion selling upmarket clothing. Believe me, alot of discrimination went on there as I had to constantly prove as a heterosexual male that I understood about style and fittings, which I did more so than most of the females working there. People just get defensive when their "passions" get invaded by what has always been the enemy.

Posted by Bartz

here we go again guys

Posted by Grimluck343

@pbhawks45 said:

My apologies. I hope you get what I mean, though. I think there are women who want things to improve, and are afraid of receiving backlash in their workplaces, however unjust it may be. Especially in this economy, where finding a job is really, really hard.

If you were really afraid of backlash, why would you tweet about it on your personal twitter account?

Edited by cikame

47% of people who play games may be women, but what are they playing games on?
I have no evidence of any kind, but i imagine most of the money from the hardcore game market comes from men, the huge investment for projects like Call of Duty, Assassins Creed, Hitman, GTA and others speaks for itself.  
We seem to be counting mobile games as "video games" now and that's fine, might i suggest that's where the largest percentage of women are playing their games. Less violent themed games have found recent success in this market but it's not an area which demands huge Hollywood budgets, vision and talent.
I would gladly play a game more approachable to women players if it seemed interesting, but that market is on mobile devices which i don't have because i'm a traditional hardcore gamer, don't pretend the market which interests me doesn't matter when it does to me and the largest part of the industry.

Posted by Matoyak

Wow. Reading through the comments of this and the previous thread are... wow. People are actually defending sexism. Even more people are actively saying "who cares, shut up, we don't want to hear it, so don't bring it up." Still others are promoting letting it go because "all industries are like this, it sucks but it won't change".

Holy shit, guys and girls, it's fucking 2012, y'all. This kind of shit shouldn't fly.

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@hurtfulmadmax said:

We should have an "editorial" section in Giantbomb. This is as biased as "news" gets. Then again I remember Jeff saying that's the point of Giantbomb; to promote and share the personalities of the site.

If it's only here to start a discussion, maybe he should just create a forum topic, because I don't see how this is news. 
I think there might be a good article in there somewhere, but right now, this is not good.
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Posted by bombedyermom

@cabrit_sans_cor said:

This.

Stay strong, Scoops. You're doing good work.

Posted by EnduranceFun

@BrianP: If it isn't a dead horse, it's a morbidly obese horse after feeding on all these sexist / feminist articles posted by Patrick. To much of the community, these have become a tiresome part of the site.

Posted by Milkman

@xMrSunshine said:

@iAmJohn:

2. NO victimization of others or use of discriminatory language: Includes but not limited to hateful personal attacks against other users, sexism, or any racist or homophobic slurs or statements. Similarly, you may not release the personal information of another user without their consent.

I'll bet my ass that if a regular user would do something like this it would result in a ban, warning or some other method of punishment.

Patrick did none of those things. He simply presented his comment and presented his rebuttal. He didn't personally attack the user. He didn't release any personal information. It's no different than me quoting your post right now.

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Posted by Itwastuesday

I sincerely hope Patrick writes one of these every day so I can come read idiots putting their feet in their mouths.

Posted by Turambar

@Grimluck343: The same rule that saw HandsomeDead's threads being edited for targetting specific users within the OP, if anyone remembers that guy. There is no written one that I can find as MB has boiled it down to "Don't be a jerk" in the FAQ thread.