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Jeff's Thoughts On Those Spike TV Awards

In which I am negative about all of television but also negative about people complaining about television even though I am complaining about television and... OK, it's a complicated issue. I still think that parts of Spike's broadcast absolutely work as intended.

Please allow me a moment to convince you that I, too, love the video games. No, seriously.
Please allow me a moment to convince you that I, too, love the video games. No, seriously.

I don't watch a lot of television. Oh, I certainly spend quite a bit of time staring at TVs, but the standard offering that comes in through my DirecTV dish doesn't really hold a lot of sway over my life. It used to not be this way, of course, but then, our choices for entertainment used to be a lot narrower. These days, I tend to spend that entertainment time in front of a computer screen, and the rise of Netflix's streaming service and DVRs means that I can afford to let people sort of "beta test" actual television and pick the best of it to watch later. Or, at least, that's the basic idea. In reality, I never actually get around to watching most of the shows that get recommended to me unless it's comedy written in a very specific style. I still haven't watched The Wire, for example, despite buying DVDs full of episodes. But after seeing one episode of it, I sought out, recorded, and watched as much Jon Benjamin Has a Van as the law would allow.

I suppose you could take that to mean that I have pretty specific tastes, but I'm really just taking the long way around to tell you that I don't have an especially high opinion of television programming. It's hard to describe that without sounding like I'm some sort of elitist snob, but I don't take too kindly to the way much of it is presented. If you'll allow me to further generalize, television feels like it's being presented to the lowest common denominator, with much of it being written by people who seem to have absolutely no respect for the people who might later go on to watch these shows. Parts of Spike TV Video Game Awards broadcast sort of reinforce my feelings on the medium, which is too bad, but ultimately I didn't really expect it to go much differently. The restrictions in place when producing a show like this almost ensure that, as one of those Internet-loving assholes who inherently distrusts marketing and finds most TV to be ironically enjoyable at best, the deck for liking such a show is sort of stacked against me.

Or to put it yet another way, did you really think that a show put together by the production company that brought you shit like Survivor, The Apprentice, and Are You Smarter Than A 5th Grader? was going to offer you a quiet, introspective look at video games and the creative minds behind them? Did you really think that a show built in that way would ever air on Spike TV?

Did that guy buy that baby from that lady? I forget why this is here. Oh, right! The production company behind the awards worked on
Did that guy buy that baby from that lady? I forget why this is here. Oh, right! The production company behind the awards worked on "hits" like The Apprentice!

Maybe I should add a bit more to that list of obvious questions. Like how about... do you really think that award shows are great to begin with? Because the quiet, respectful show that people seem to be begging for across the Internet this morning usually comes across as two things: BO and RIIIIIING. Back when I was living with a crew of college girls, I was induced into going to an Oscars Party. It was insane! They were dressing up all nice specifically to hang out in our living room and watch the Academy Awards! Afterwards we made it out to a bar and I think the night ended with a couple of us trying to eat a cake that had fallen on the floor. That's beside the point. My point is that traditional awards shows are unfuckingwatchable. The only awards broadcast I ever really connected with was MTV's Video Music Awards, which was fascinating when I was a kid, mostly because it was a weird chance to see modern pop stars of the 1980s mingling together, but really because it was a live broadcast and I was always interested in seeing people swear on live TV. Did the awards themselves matter back then? Not really. I mean, yes, they almost certainly mattered to the people winning them and, to some extent, the industry behind those people. But as a viewer, I was tuning in to see an entertaining show. This, as far as I can tell, is the blueprint that the VGAs are operating under. They probably want to produce an entertaining show that people will watch, and if they can celebrate games along the way, then great! Right?

The problem is that I just don't think they're executing well enough on the entertainment side.

I think most of the blame for that falls squarely in the laps of the people responsible for writing the show. The gags, some of which tried to trade off of standard gaming tropes like health meters and such, fell flat. It had a recurring bit about teabagging that wasn't funny the first time around, making all of the callbacks spread throughout the show almost painful. Some cursey YouTube guy got brought into the fold and turned into another lame bit where he sat next to some Spike executive. Am I supposed to know or care about who either one of those guys are? An award winner got teabagged. So irreverent, right? From a comedy perspective, the closest the entire production got to being on the pulse of gaming was when Daniel Kayser spit out the whole "arrow to the knee" thing before talking to Todd Howard during the preshow. Sadly, that whole thing seemed to have set some sort of record for fastest time from "this is funny" to "this is tired," so the reference ended up being like two days too late or something insane like that. Then again, the Internet continually proves that it's mostly good at complaining about things, so I guess that shouldn't be used as a barometer.

Kojima's finale would have worked a lot better if the Metal Gear Rising trailer didn't leak ahead of time. But the Fortnite announcement remained a surprise.
Kojima's finale would have worked a lot better if the Metal Gear Rising trailer didn't leak ahead of time. But the Fortnite announcement remained a surprise.

The "talent" side of things didn't really help, either. You know... I'm sure getting Charlie Sheen to show up seemed like a really fun idea six months ago. But wow, could there have been a more miscalculated choice? At least his obligatory "games are awesome" bit wasn't as embarrassing as Will.i.am's, who sounded like he was trying to justify his presence with every word out of his mouth. Here's a tip on that front: games are huge. Billion-dollar huge. Going out of your way to talk about how much you play them--and this extends to the host being consistently billed as a "huge gamer," too--makes you look like you've never played one in your life. Or, at best, it makes you look like one of those "well, I really like the Call of Duty and the Madden" types, which is probably worse if you're trying to get actual game aficionados on-board. Obviously, this is a pretty hard problem to fix because finding an array of people that actually connect with the gaming audience is tough, especially when said people need to be big enough stars to hopefully draw in a wide enough viewing audience to make the whole show worth doing to begin with.

With better writing, I think the rest of the show absolutely falls in line, though I tend to agree that not enough time was given to the awards themselves. That's probably a pretty tough thing to balance out. Also, this is probably the part where I should state that I'm one of the judges that helps pick nominees and winners for many of the award categories, so perhaps I have some sort of hidden interest in seeing my contributions get more airtime or something. But if you're going to put "Video Game Awards" right in the title, burning through the bulk of them in a quick montage seems completely disingenuous. But I suppose it's harder to get people on-board if you were to title the show "World Exclusive Mania: Game Trailers You Ain't Seen Before: The TV Show." It's telling that the online-only pre-show did much better at giving out awards and letting developers speak for a bit than the entire two-hour TV broadcast.

Super-glad this is finally getting made.
Super-glad this is finally getting made.

That leaves the exclusive trailers, weirdly enough, as the part of this show that absolutely shines. Say what you will about the advertising-like nature of releasing a bunch of trailers and giving them better placement than the actual awards, but it gives the VGA broadcast some actual content--some actual news is made at the show every year. That doesn't happen at other awards shows. As someone who professionally talks about the video games, it's nice to actually have something new to discuss in December, which is usually pretty dead. Without this award show, that wouldn't happen, and games like Command & Conquer: Generals 2 would probably go on to get lost amid a sea of bigger announcements at E3. And Tony Hawk HD would get announced in a press release, at best. This show is a good platform for those announcements. It just needs to be better balanced with the actual awards.

It's the morning after the live broadcast, and I'm sure that the people that watched last night's show are full of wide-eyed, unrealistic ideas about how they would "fix" the show. I've offered mine, and I think the people behind the scenes really do get closer to finding the right balance every year. But maybe the right approach for those of you who seem to get filled with total outrage over all this is to stop treating this awards show like it's the only game in town and remember that this is an industry where every individual publication offers their own version of the year's best games and the industry itself has places like GDC and DICE where the speeches run wonderfully long and the jokes are 100% inside. There's room for all of it. Hell, if anything, there are probably too many different sets of awards out there! But I guess my point is that you shouldn't expect an increasingly dated medium like television and its desire to speak to the wide, mainstream audience that is slowly blinking out of existence to provide a good home for this idyllic awards show you've cooked up in your head. Because they've got soft drinks (FOR MEN ONLY) to sell.

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@CLinendoll said:

@Fattony12000 said:

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I love that this photo pops up every couple months.

Aye, it's usually me that's posting it.

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David Foster Wallace wrote an essay once where he kinda took people to task for shitting all over terrible television when it's pretty obvious that a lot of us take pleasure in watching and then picking apart all of the stuff we claim to hate. Ever since I read that I've been really self-conscious of coming off like a smug asshole whenever I start dumping on stupid garbage, so I learned to just shrug and move on when confronted with a new low in entertainment (or admit that deep down I at least enjoy the spectacle of some of it).

I guess my point is that people flipping out about the air of defensiveness and/or apathy surrounding the VGAs are coming off as a little naive about what most television actually is and the kind of people it's aimed at. You're right that it's garbage, but expecting anything else from "mass market" TV is just going to lead to perpetual disappointment.

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@OppressiveStink: I would agree with this but even for the "common" folk who don't care about the oscars, they can find their level of entertainment in something like the MTV movie awards. Both award shows are on different ends of the spectrum but at the end of the day, the movie medium still has a dignified and reputable means of showing appreciation to those in the movie world. 
 
Video games (which is still in it's infancy, all things considered, and highly criticized) don't have that platform to suggest that video games can and should be taken seriously and i think that's a damn shame. If there was something that would come alongside the VGAs to fill that void then sure, but for right now, to have the VGAs on the pedestal as the sole award representation for the video game industry and the way it handles itself is absurd (as the show illustrates) 
 
I'm not saying there needs to be some stuffy oscar-esque show for video games but they need to cut all the bullshit that does nothing but give people who look down on video games and gamers, more reason to because it typecasts all of us as stupid bumbling idiots who do nothing but drink beer and gawk over women bobbing for cupcakes. 
 
I just don't see why the show could just focus on giving out awards sprinkled with exclusive trailers and actual video game related content. 
 
A live re-creation of fruit ninja? Dumb 
Bobbing for Cupcakes? Dumb
Charlie Sheen? Dumb
 
Stupid shit like that should be for a pre/post show
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@Fattony12000 said:

@CLinendoll said:

@Fattony12000 said:

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I love that this photo pops up every couple months.

Aye, it's usually me that's posting it.

I think the finger in frame just really pulls the whole picture together.

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@spazmaster666 said:

I probably could have saved myself some pain and annoyance had I just waited until the show was over and just watched all the trailers at Gametrailers

Thats exactly what I did and I honestly don't understand why anyone with any know-how about SPIKE and the VGA's would do anything but that.

I couldn't care less about who won what - I skimmed over some post stating the winners of each category and probably disagreed with 90% of it. I will probably disagree with a lot of the Giant Bomb picks as well - but thats ok because awards are so completely arbitrary theres no reason to even get upset at their outcomes. Madden 2015 could win a hundred GOTY's and I would still never even consider touching it.

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I thought the show sucked, but I did laugh when that Call of Duty guy got teabagged. Of course, I like sitcoms too.

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I like the show. I think its entertaining enough and i sit through it to see the trailers, just like i watch the piece of shit most americans call a sport that is football every year during the superbowl to watch the commercials. If i want quality entertainment though, i should get a subscription to giant bomb, where they shit on new videogame systems and don't like how iterative and stale games have become. They're premium videos are better than anything else in the universe when it comes to showing off the staleness that is games.

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The only thing I would like to see changed are the nominations.

1) have users vote on the nominations out of a list of all releases that fit the categories. The nominations seemed extremely back half of 2011 heavy, was very surprised LA Noire barely appeared. I actually thought for a second, wait did it come out last year. It only makes it seem like more of an advertisement to sell games that came out this holiday, even if the nominations were voted on.

2) Continue to have the press vote on the winners. This is a good thing to take out of the hands of the users.

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@BitterAlmond said:

People who actually follow the industry (or, even better, work in it) don't much care for it, but we all understand that it's an important thing in order to keep video games going as strongly as they are. I don't watch the Spike VGAs, and I don't like them, but I am very glad they exist.

Why are you glad that they exist when it's complete bullshit? Even a respectable dev like Cliffy B even said so in a tweet. 
 
If the show is there to help market games and offer debut trailers and otherwise entertain on a rather simplistic and juvenile level then fine, so be but let it be that. Don't try to suggest it's something more when it really isnt
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@hbkdx12 said:

I'm not saying there needs to be some stuffy oscar-esque show for video games but they need to cut all the bullshit that does nothing but give people who look down on video games and gamers, more reason to because it typecasts all of us as stupid bumbling idiots who do nothing but drink beer and gawk over women bobbing for cupcakes.

I honestly think there are enough people playing video games (or are at least close to people who play video games) at this point that still being caught up in how the outside world perceives this hobby comes off as silly navel-gazing.

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I really enjoyed reading this. Thanks Jeff!

Also "filed under: will.i.am" cracked me up more than it probably should.

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I didn't watch the Spike VGAs, but I've heard that they're getting better every year.

This kind of thing is still in its infancy and it's rather unfair that everybody is giving it so much shit. I bet the Academy Awards in its infancy wasn't like today's streamlined yawnfest.

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Also: Jeff, you should watch The Wire. Realtalk.

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The Tony hawk stuff is the only thing I was interested in.

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What I like is that the show is specifically about showing the greatness of gaming, and the games industry so often is focused on showing the engines and tech that it doesn't look at the total package.

Things like the Bioshock Infinite trailer are what I'm talking about - it was there to play on our emotions and imaginations a bit, to feel a bit of what people in that world might feel, not to show off any new tech in the engine or to really hard sell the game to you. Only a very few games get advertised on TV this way, and only a few bother to put together a strong trailer to float around online at all. I think that's a mistake. We've seen how it worked for Dead Island. Sure there's seldom any gameplay in trailers, but that's not what they're about, they're about selling the dream.

Basically, I like the celebration of our hobby, even though it's hard to do well. The Felicia Day bits were painful, but as long as the VGAs keep getting better than the previous year, I'm down with them. In particular, I don't think it's justified to snipe at them for being backward when they finally started streaming it online this year. That is a huge improvement in relating to core gamers.

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@Saganomics said:

Also: Jeff, you should watch The Wire. Realtalk.

Yes!

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I thought the teabagging was fun. lol

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@Saganomics: if that were the case we'd probably have a far more respectable show on our hands
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I like TV just fine. That was bad TV by any standards.

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When are GDC and DICE? I'd like to give those a shot.

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Posts like this are prime examples as to why I adore Giantbomb. Great read, Jeff. And I completely agree. :D

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As always Jeff finds a way to put this whole VGA thing in perspective, YEY!

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All the award shows I have ever seen are either really dumb or really boring.

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The show sux every year and every year people bitch about it. I think the people who they are putting the show on for are not represented by anyone who is ACTUALLY a hardcore gamer. I think the people who like this show probably love Gossip Girl and Survivor. Just tell me I'm wrong...

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@Anwar said:

best part

worst part

I can't believe they did a tea-bagging part. My fucking God who thought that would be a good idea?

Also, Miyamoto is a bad-ass and can bounce with the best of them.

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Thanks for a well written balanced article Jeff. I personally feel that the hate for this show is just insane. Yeah, this show not perfect but what do people expect from Spike TV? Wanna get around the problem? Start lobbying the idea of a award show to other TV networks. I even think that there could be a Internet based cermony. The problem is to make it big and juicy enough for publishers and developers to be on. For example. Can't G4/Gametrailers do it themself? Lower the budget and make something that is truly respectful (but I still want entertainment!) for the medium. There has to exist some kind balance somewhere. You wanna see games on big ass TV networks? Then this happens because it's pointed at a lot of more people, people that like, even love games BUT not the same way we do.

VGA are the same as the MTV Video Awards. That's okey...if you take it for what it is. Want more respect then we have to find a different kind of plattform and in this time and age there is a lot to choose from.

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@HadesTimes: The producer of the VGA is the producer of Survivor and other lame reality shows of the like so you're probably right
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I agree the point about the writing. It seemed most of the writers focused on surface level jokes about video games ie teabagging, the health bar bit. But of course if the writers had written about how Skyrim is broken on PS3, it would fly over the general audience's heads with the exception of the hardcore base. The writers didn't know who they are writing for and is probably why we got Charlie Sheen.

If the VGAs are the Video Music Awards or MTV Movie Awards/Scare equivalent, then what is the Oscar's/Golden Globes video games awards show equivalent? Is it GAME's BAFTA awards? Jeff says traditional shows are boring, but it's what the industry needs to not look juvenile like last night.

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Another great article!

An award show geared to "Call of Duty and the Madden" types who also wear Tap-Out & Affliction shirts.

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I thought NPH did a good job hosting last year.

I missed the live broadcast on Saturday but i mainly just watch the VGAs for the world premier trailers.

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It will get better with time, hopefully... Maybe Giantbomb should team up with a few other people like PennyArcade etc and do their own one.

Also.. FORTNITE!!! Excited for Generals and The Last of Us to but Fortnite is my pick.

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The best part of the show was Miyamoto being there to accept the award for Zelda being inducted into the Hall of Fame. Second part was Kojima being awesome and awkward at the end.

Also, while Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader sucks, and The Apprentice is okay on occasion, Survivor has put off some really entertaining seasons over the years. Sure there's been a couple of duds, but that's to be expected when there's been 23 seasons.

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i agree with everything jeff just wrote lol. I really wish they just cut out that stupid cupcake and spider man shit XP and there had to be something staged about the fruit ninja thing. cause god that looked dangerous. but yeah i feel the entire award show was tilted toward the "bro" gamer. but then again it is spike so im not sure why i expected different.

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Thanks for the read and perspective, Jeff.

Heres the deal, gamers, maybe if we all stop raging so hard on each other over an art form we can end up with an award show that takes our community more seriously.

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I pretty much just watch the trailers after they're posted. Which for GT.com probably is a win.

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This was really interesting to read. It's good that Jeff can talk about his perspective like this, considering he was one of the judges for the awards.

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I'll admit it, the only times I unmuted the show was for the trailers and Felicia Day.

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nobody wants to watch the video game BAFTAs

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@Anwar: It was fine
 
Norm and the guys at Whiskey Media run their business differently than the VGAs atleast should. 
 
The cornerstone of Whiskey Media is that it's run by otherwise, normal everyday guys and gals 
 
The VGA's brands itself as a show to pays homage and respects to the video game industry
 
Norm re-creating fruit ninja (on a promotional show to otherwise show off their personalities and the otherwise silly stuff they do) suggests "this is the kind of people we are the fun we like to have" 
 
Whereas on the VGA's it comes off  like "look how cool this is! This is cool right?!?!"
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@bricewgilbert said:

It wasn't funny or entertaining in the least. It's the exact type of entertainment that the Giantbomb staff makes fun of off hand in every conversation about pop culture ever. Any attempt at criticism of the VGA's is as valid as any other criticism. From Roger Ebert reviewing films to your buddy telling you over a bear how terrible the finale of Lost was. I watched it and I hated it. What else can be said? I should expect to be shit? Maybe, but that has no bearing on my opinion that it is.

This is basically my opinion as well. I understand that a television award show about video games that appeals to me might be too narrow for a mass audience, but that doesn't change the fact that it's still fucking embarrassing with humor that appeals to the lowest of the lowest common denominator. None of that changes that it's terrible. This idea that it's somehow excusable because we "need" that VGAs to be taken seriously is crazy. Who cares if we do or don't? It's a terrible show anyway. 
 
"In which I am negative about all of television but also negative about people complaining about television even though I am complaining about television" basically sums up all my problems with this article. It's an article that wants to hate the VGAs, but also doesn't want to seem like it's jumping on the bandwagon that is well-reasoned hate for the VGAs. 
 
I understand your reasons, Jeff. But just have the courage to call it what it is even if you don't want to seem like you're joining the rabble. It was a bad show, straight-up.
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Haha, I love that Jeff and Alex both came up with their own names.

Also the worst part of the whole thing? I thought the award choices were good. Which makes it seem all the worse when they blow through like 15 awards in 2minutes without any mention of the developer.

Also the whole 'best character' award, where the characters from the game talk is fantastic. There, I said it. If they really want to go for entertainment, that's the direction they need to go.

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@gringbot said:

Thanks for the read and perspective, Jeff.

Heres the deal, gamers, maybe if we all stop raging so hard on each other over an art form we can end up with an award show that takes our community more seriously.

Our hobby won't be taken seriously on television, radio, or awards shows, until the current crop of middle-aged and older adults drop dead, and are replaced by a generation of current late-teens and young adults who grew up with this industry as it became that multi-billion dollar industry.

That's also why the jokes on the VGA's are shit - because they are written to what they think we want to hear, not what is actually funny. They have vague awareness of once-popular memes and tropes of the gaming world, and nothing else. They treat it like writing an episode of a children's program, and not a massive mainstream hobby for millions of kids and adults alike.

Film and music nerds rage all over the internet, yet their awards shows aren't an almost insultingly written farce. Why? Because older adults - the people who actually control decision-making - treat those two endeavours like mature conduits of entertainment, despite being filled with just as much schlock and juvenile humour overall.

The VGA's are insulting to me, because through the writing, the skits, and the commercials they air - you can clearly see what they think of their audience. So we get teabagging jokes, soda commercials that are too extreme for silly girls, Charlie Sheen, and a bunch of other celebrities offering half-hearted validation of our chosen hobby by pretending to like it too.

I don't need gaming awards to be a ballroom gala - but a show that gives the industry, and the incredible artists within it the respect they deserve, would be nice. The game trailers are the only thing that make the VGA's watchable, in it's current form.

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The only thing more annoying than award shows are people who complain about how annoying award shows are. There hasn't been an award show invented that has been anything more than a self-congratulatory wankfest (at best), and anyone who expects better is deluding himself. The whole concept is no more than a shallow, shameful market-grab, and to bring it into video games - a medium that doesn't exactly lend itself to celebrity, due to it's very nature - is even more ludicrous. I'm glad when good games are recognized as such, but there is no need to have any of it televised. Top ten lists and the like on sites dedicated to gaming is more than enough.

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I suppose you could take that to mean that I have pretty specific tastes, but I'm really just taking the long way around to tell you that I don't have an especially high opinion of television programming. It's hard to describe that without sounding like I'm some sort of elitist snob, but I don't take too kindly to the way much of it is presented. If you'll allow me to further generalize, television feels like it's being presented to the lowest common denominator, with much of it being written by people who seem to have absolutely no respect for the people who might later go on to watch these shows. Parts of Spike TV Video Game Awards broadcast sort of reinforce my feelings on the medium, which is too bad, but ultimately I didn't really expect it to go much differently. The restrictions in place when producing a show like this almost ensure that, as one of those Internet-loving assholes who inherently distrusts marketing and finds most TV to be ironically enjoyable at best, the deck for liking such a show is sort of stacked against me.

My god I couldn't agree more.

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@Scotto said:

\he VGA's are insulting to me, because through the writing, the skits, and the commercials they air - you can clearly see what they think of their audience.

Not meaning disrespect to rest of what you said by any means, but this is what has been ocurring to me about this whole thing. I'm way out of the age demographic, but this is what spike tv thinks is the mentality of the audience it is trying to reach.. and also then ignoring that there may exist a wider and more diverse than they will allow for. Jeff is right about the enterainment side of it, but they don't really seem to be speaking to anybody but a creation of what they think the audience is, and that through their own perceptions. MTV lost me decades ago. No, I didn't watch the VGA's, just going by what I have seen and heard since.

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I not read through all the comments so sorry if someone has already posted this:

This sums up the whole thing perfectly, even Mentions Jeff.

End of the day only way these will work or will be taken seriously if a regular well respected panel form a limited range of awards that target the correct and important aspects of games and awards them to the right people.

The public then need to know what they are. If someone says to you "This movie has oscars" then you know it is either good or has a good story and very boring. So any video game award needs to also be known by average gaming Joe and not just the elite.

"Spike game award winner" On a video game box means nothing to me, I care not!