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OnLive Is Either Shutting Down or Isn't, Depending On Who You Ask [UPDATED x3]

Some reports claim entire staff laid off. OnLive reps issue blanket denials.

UPDATE 3: Engadget is reporting that at least "50%" of the staff at OnLive has been laid off, and that the company has been bought by an as-yet-unknown third party.

UPDATE 2: IDG News' Martyn Williams reports that he's outside OnLive's offices right now, and has seen multiple employees exiting the premises with moving boxes.

UPDATE: Kotaku is reporting that despite OnLive's denials, the company is filing for bankruptcy in the state of California. The intent, according to Kotaku's source, is to reform the company as a new entity with a smaller staff. What that company will look like and what it's plans are for OnLive's current services are still unclear. Other sites are also citing more sources from inside OnLive confirming the layoff portion of the story. Still some questions floating around, but it looks like things are becoming a bit clearer.

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Nobody seems totally sure if OnLive is still, well, live.
Nobody seems totally sure if OnLive is still, well, live.

Here's one of those rare cases where we're going to report that on the fact that story exists, as opposed to the factualness of said story, because quite frankly, we have no idea either way.

Earlier this afternoon, reports began to surface that cloud gaming service OnLive might be shutting down. This info appears to source back to Brian Fargo, a developer not directly affiliated with OnLive who nonetheless claimed a source inside the company had told him the shutdown was taking place. Not long after, Mashable posted a report proclaiming that the entire staff had been laid off this morning, and that the company either would be shutting down outright, or forming a new, seemingly staff-less company focused on licensing intellectual property patents the company owns.

OnLive, on the other hand, is refuting much of this. The company's head of corporate communications Brian Jaquet responded to multiple inquiries regarding the shut down with a statement saying, "We don't respond to rumors, but of course not." He then proceeded to say a bunch of nice things about the company's future projects, while also not mentioning or acknowledging the layoff portions of the news. Hmm.

So basically we, the gaming press, know about as much as you do. Several sites are reporting anonymous sources confirming the layoffs at the company, but the actual shut down of OnLive appears to perhaps be exaggerated. Or maybe it isn't, and nobody's told Brian Jaquet yet. In which case, oops.

Regardless, we know something is happening at OnLive. We just don't know what, exactly. This is what news looks like in the Internet age, people. We'll let you know when we confirm something. Anything, really.

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@The_Laughing_Man said:

@Sil3n7 said:

Reporting that we don't know anything.

Great.

Dont go to Kotaku then. Half of their crap is hear say.

Well part of this story is based on the kotaku rumor story, so it's almost like a second hand rumor, which might be even worse.

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@Jams said:

@Ravenlight said:

@DetectiveSpecial said:

Great timing, OnLive - while GB's news guy is on honeymoon. Klepek's gonna be pissed.

"Honeymoon" AKA "in deep cover posing as an OnLive middle manager"

isn't that the plot from superman 2?

superman 3

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@The_Laughing_Man said:

@Sil3n7 said:

Reporting that we don't know anything.

Great.

Dont go to Kotaku then. Half of their crap is hear say.

CNet is also reporting, citing Kotaku's rumors. O_o Giant Bomb has #crackinwise, I think Kotaku needs #mariocakes.

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I am honestly surprised that Onlive has lasted this long. Seemed like a good idea but just never fulfilled on being more than just an idea. If microsoft or sony or even nintendo can incorporate onlive into their next console it should work better imo.

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This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.

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First of all, props to IDG for actually doing work and going to the office to see if anything was happening.

Second, this is sad. Onlive is amazing technology. It's really sad that they couldn't monetize it.

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No idea if it means anything, but I have the On Live iPad desktop app, and the connection is for shit, but I can at least log in before getting booted. I'm positive it's not my home network, so it could be indicative of something going on with the service...or nothing. Disclaimer: plural of anecdote is not data, only reporting my own experience.

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what i want to know is what happens to the two games i still have on Onlive.... but it's good technology... the only problem is that the united states internet situation sucks balls at the moment and i don't see it improving any time soon.

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Trying to provide a service that only works on high speed connections in an era where "high speed" = ~5 MB/s?

The only people that could ever use this service today are those in Kansas City.

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I bet you Klepek's on the way right now with his news hat and a janitor's costume. 
 
TRICKY'S ON THE CASE!!

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@dsi1 said:

Trying to provide a service that only works on high speed connections in an era where "high speed" = ~5 MB/s?

The only people that could ever use this service today are those in Kansas City.

I have been wishing I have lived there ever since I heard :(

Edit: "UPDATE 2:IDG News' Martyn Williams reports that he's outside OnLive's offices right now, and has seen multiple employees exiting the premises with moving boxes."

Dude, how trashy and sad are you that you're camping outside a place as people are being fired. Have some respect... garbage, straight garbage...

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bummer, it is a neat tecnology only the time was not right I guess, I hope someone keeps working on stuff like this for the near future.

though that really doesn't bother me as much now since I built myself a mean gaming machine ;P, no need for a cloud gaming service on my part.

Also I'm glad I've never purchased anything there, basically because it hardly worked for me and when it did the latency was pretty fucking bad.

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My £1 copy of Deus Ex (New and Old) that I also own on Steam and got a copy free with my 7970 and played it on xbox... oh no.

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Brian Fargo leaked this?  There's bound to be some fallout.

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I suppose it didn't help that they announced the OnLive service for the first time on April Fool's Day...

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Kara Swisher (allthingsd) is reporting and has posted pics.. its true.. :( Sad really..

@Brackynews said:

@The_Laughing_Man said:

@Sil3n7 said:

Reporting that we don't know anything.

Great.

Dont go to Kotaku then. Half of their crap is hear say.

CNet is also reporting, citing Kotaku's rumors. O_o Giant Bomb has #crackinwise, I think Kotaku needs #mariocakes.

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@Arrested_Developer said:

Brian Fargo leaked this? There's bound to be some fallout.

Yeah, their office must look like a Wasteland by now.

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LIVE AND ON THE SCENE!! STRAIGHT TO THE FACTS!!

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@Patman99 said:

@Arrested_Developer said:

Brian Fargo leaked this? There's bound to be some fallout.

Yeah, their office must look like a Wasteland by now.

I bet all their accountants are in exile.

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@Xeirus said:

Dude, how trashy and sad are you that you're camping outside a place as people are being fired. Have some respect... garbage, straight garbage...

So, we have half the thread saying "Don't report on this until you actually know something firsthand", and now you're saying "How dare you go and actually find out something firsthand"?

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@ChrisTilton said:

@Patman99 said:

@Arrested_Developer said:

Brian Fargo leaked this? There's bound to be some fallout.

Yeah, their office must look like a Wasteland by now.

I bet all their accountants are in exile.

Man, going through all this must be Torment.

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@KickahaOta said:

@Xeirus said:

Dude, how trashy and sad are you that you're camping outside a place as people are being fired. Have some respect... garbage, straight garbage...

So, we have half the thread saying "Don't report on this until you actually know something firsthand", and now you're saying "How dare you go and actually find out something firsthand"?

First of all it's not the same people saying both. Also I'm not calling GB trash, I'm calling that guy who is sitting outside their office trash, it's disrespectful.

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@NoobSauceG7 said:

I am honestly surprised that Onlive has lasted this long. Seemed like a good idea but just never fulfilled on being more than just an idea. If microsoft or sony or even nintendo can incorporate onlive into their next console it should work better imo.

Same here. When it was first mooted it seemed like little more than some guys trying to get some money from gullible investors for a half-baked, not-fully -workable idea.

In the end I suppose it was that, but I was surprised it lasted so long.

Though I'm also surprised that some people actually 'bought' games on this service. What where they thinking?!

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well this came out of nowhere... should i buy a preowned microconsole as a collectors item? 

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@LarryDavis said:

@ChrisTilton said:

@Patman99 said:

@Arrested_Developer said:

Brian Fargo leaked this? There's bound to be some fallout.

Yeah, their office must look like a Wasteland by now.

I bet all their accountants are in exile.

Man, going through all this must be Torment.

This will make one great Bards Tale.

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@LarryDavis

@ChrisTilton said:

@Patman99 said:

@Arrested_Developer said:

Brian Fargo leaked this? There's bound to be some fallout.

Yeah, their office must look like a Wasteland by now.

I bet all their accountants are in exile.

Man, going through all this must be Torment.

It seems There hasn't been much Interplay between OnLive and reporters.
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Gamestops cloud service became onlive... Thats what i think.

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Has anyone suggested that Google bought them?

EDIT: Nope.

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OUYA bought them with all the Kickstarter Money!

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I bought Saints Row 3 on Onlive for $1 (they had a promo where the first game you bought was $1). The had lots of Steamish-sales like that. Was SR3 on Onlive comparable to other platforms? Not really, there was graphics compression and relied on Internet. However, they went a long way towards fixing the controller lag and I actually finished the game using a mouse/keyboard. Suffice to say, if they do close, I lost $1.

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This would be a shame... although I'm not currently interested, it seems like one of those things that is forcing the industry forward.

... then again, it could just be that Sony or MS or Google or someone else bought them to work on an upcoming product, and it's being kept quiet for now.

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@Tebbit said:

@LarryDavis

@ChrisTilton said:

@Patman99 said:

@Arrested_Developer said:

Brian Fargo leaked this? There's bound to be some fallout.

Yeah, their office must look like a Wasteland by now.

I bet all their accountants are in exile.

Man, going through all this must be Torment.

It seems There hasn't been much Interplay between OnLive and reporters.

@Dagbiker:

Where am I?/?? Did I just wake up on an RPS dark theme??? WHO AM I???

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@ck1nd said:

It's a sad day to see something as cool as OnLive going under. I didn't use the service, I feel my computer is good enough that renders it obsolete, but it was a great idea.

On a related note, how does this affect OUYA's solidity now? I know OnLive was a large part of their pitch and it seems that this might cripple a lot of positive points for the system.

OnLive was a small part of the Ouya pitch, only coming in near the end of the Kickstarter campaign. Did it really make that much of an impact?

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"Here's one of those rare cases where we're going to report that on the fact that story exists, as opposed to the factualness of said story, because quite frankly, we have no idea either way."

It's unfortunate that we have to deal with stuff like this when Patrick is away.

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@LordAndrew said:

@ck1nd said:

It's a sad day to see something as cool as OnLive going under. I didn't use the service, I feel my computer is good enough that renders it obsolete, but it was a great idea.

On a related note, how does this affect OUYA's solidity now? I know OnLive was a large part of their pitch and it seems that this might cripple a lot of positive points for the system.

OnLive was a small part of the Ouya pitch, only coming in near the end of the Kickstarter campaign. Did it really make that much of an impact?

I thought so, but maybe I over-estimated it's impact. I thought it would be a quick-seller (I didn't know OnLive was in such a bad state) for the console gamers to interact with PC gaming without having to build a mega-machine.

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Ok so who bought them out? Apple? Google? Amazon? Someone we don't care about?

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@Tebbit said:

@LarryDavis

@ChrisTilton said:

@Patman99 said:

@Arrested_Developer said:

Brian Fargo leaked this? There's bound to be some fallout.

Yeah, their office must look like a Wasteland by now.

I bet all their accountants are in exile.

Man, going through all this must be Torment.

It seems There hasn't been much Interplay between OnLive and reporters.

I guess OnLive was a giant bomb in the end.

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@gbrading said:

Well, yep. I still thought OnLive was in beta: I didn't realize it had properly launched.

OnLive's biggest problem is that it's designed for a broadband network which simply doesn't exist outside of selected cities in the US. In Britain, only central London can really offer the proper speed for it. The wilds of the Oxfordshire countryside certainly can't get that speed yet, and BT say it'll take until 2018 to install fibre-optic cabling around the country.

The US is far from the world's broadband leader. In fact in much of the country speeds are far below what is needed to run OnLive. Many European countries and Asian countries are years ahead of the US when it comes to Internet speeds. The fastest speed commonly available in even wealthy US areas is 50 mbps. In many parts of the world speeds are double or even triple that. Not saying Britain is in better shape than the US, but you should talk to some of your closer neighbors than holding the US up as doing it right.

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This just i, Onlive has been bought out, and will continue service, http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/17/3250589/onlive-official-layoffs-statement/in/3014536

We can now confirm that the assets of OnLive, Inc. have been acquired into a newly-formed company and is backed by substantial funding, and which will continue to operate the OnLive Game and Desktop services, as well as support all of OnLive's apps and devices, as well as game, productivity and enterprise partnerships. The new company is hiring a large percentage of OnLive, Inc.'s staff across all departments and plans to continue to hire substantially more people, including additional OnLive employees. All previously announced products and services, including those in the works, will continue and there is no expected interruption of any OnLive services.

We apologize that we were unable to comment on this transaction until it completed, and were limited to reporting on news related to OnLive's businesses. Now that the transaction is complete, we are able to make this statement.

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@Xeirus said:

@dsi1 said:

Trying to provide a service that only works on high speed connections in an era where "high speed" = ~5 MB/s?

The only people that could ever use this service today are those in Kansas City.

I have been wishing I have lived there ever since I heard :(

Edit: "UPDATE 2:IDG News' Martyn Williams reports that he's outside OnLive's offices right now, and has seen multiple employees exiting the premises with moving boxes."

Dude, how trashy and sad are you that you're camping outside a place as people are being fired. Have some respect... garbage, straight garbage...

How is that trashy? Reporting from the scene is the best way to actually get information about the story. I prefer this to anonymous sources from the inside. If you've ever watched a local news broadcast you would see that they regularly try and report from the scene for the most accurate information.

Maybe there will be employees who are actually willing to talk on their way out. Maybe.

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Update #4: Who the fuck cares?

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Can't say I'm surprised.

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@Lurkero said:

@Xeirus said:

@dsi1 said:

Trying to provide a service that only works on high speed connections in an era where "high speed" = ~5 MB/s?

The only people that could ever use this service today are those in Kansas City.

I have been wishing I have lived there ever since I heard :(

Edit: "UPDATE 2:IDG News' Martyn Williams reports that he's outside OnLive's offices right now, and has seen multiple employees exiting the premises with moving boxes."

Dude, how trashy and sad are you that you're camping outside a place as people are being fired. Have some respect... garbage, straight garbage...

How is that trashy? Reporting from the scene is the best way to actually get information about the story. I prefer this to anonymous sources from the inside. If you've ever watched a local news broadcast you would see that they regularly try and report from the scene for the most accurate information.

Maybe there will be employees who are actually willing to talk on their way out. Maybe.

You don't think it's incredibly shitty to try to question someone as they're getting fired? Would you really feel like talking hours after being told you no longer have a job and you're carrying your stuff out to your car?

On those very news reports you mention the vultures swarm people who also might need a little personal time THE DAY they are getting fired. All of it is just pathetic and really tacky, if you don't think there is something wrong with it then you have issues.

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....guess I have to finish off Darksiders 2 real damn quick...just my luck I finally try the service and they might be shutting down soon..*sigh*

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Seems like this was inevitable

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I really thought they would be acquired by a Microsoft before this happened given Sony's move. Get it? Ok im out Happy Friday!!!

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Sounds like they're doing some major downsizing. Hope they don't shut down completely, i really believed in OnLive's potential so maybe it can work better with a smaller team.

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This always seemed like a canary in the coal mine company. They may of failed but at least they tried something new and crazy

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Seems like they waited too long to sell. I wonder if Sony went after them first then settled on Gaikai after the CEO of Onlive tried to hold out for more money, or something.

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Going down? Wasn't this one of the "big news" clients that the Ouya was touting?