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So, Fez II

Some stuff happened over the weekend.

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Fez II is no longer in active development, according to developer Polytron and its designer, Phil Fish. That’s the word from Fish, who dropped his mic this weekend.

“FEZ II is cancelled,” said Fish in a statement on Polytron’s website. "i am done.i take the money and i run. this is as much as i can stomach. this is isn’t the result of any one thing, but the end of a long, bloody campaign. you win.”

For the record, I don’t believe him, even though I’ve “confirmed” the news with Fish myself over email. I suspect we will, at some point, see (and play) the sequel to Fez, but this weekend’s events provide an opportunity for Fish to leave the spotlight and protect his sanity from the world and, well, himself. Fish speaks too passionately about games to leave them behind. That isn’t some subtle hint, either. It’s my gut feeling.

But how did we get here? It begins with the latest episode of Invisible Walls, a Game Trailers podcast, featuring a lengthy rant from Marcus Beer, a longtime member of the industry now commentating under the named “Annoyed Gamer.” The podcast was discussing the recent turn of events regarding Xbox One self-publishing, and how both Fish and Braid designer Jonathan Blow used Twitter to criticize the press for running towards both of them for quotes about what was, then, still a rumor coming from Game Informer about the news. A rumor with some legitimacy? Sure, and while it eventually proved true, Blow was upset reporters were asking for commentary without more information (for example, the revenue share ratio) and Fish lamented the press seeking a quote before everything was confirmed. Fish's divisive nature is easy traffic.

Cue Beer:

“But, of course, the press, wanting to get reactions, they went to a couple of indie developers. In this case, Jonathan Blow and Phil Fish, because those guys are the self-styled kings of the indie genre. They’ve been on Indie Game: The Movie, and they’ll turn up and quote for anything and everyone. And Ms. Fish and Blow, or BlowFish as I’m going to call the two them right, because while they may be moderately tasty, they’re also kind of lethal. [They] decided to go bananas and bitch and moan to Game Informer, in particular about “How dare you, how dare you ask us questions about this story! I’m sick of you guys wanting my opinion on this story!” Both of them, both bitching away. And I’ve just got a little message for the BlowFish. Gents, you are the guys who did Indie Games: The Movie, and some of you looked relatively normal in it, one of you looked like a total tosspot in it. You can’t have it both ways. You’re successful game designers, you’re indie game designers--hurrah, good for you, you fucking hipsters. Let’s get something out of the way. If you are successful and you want people to promote your games, and you go to the press and give them quotes for anything that pertains to your shilling your next title, when the press, then, come to you and say “this is something that’s pertinent to the indie scene, let’s talk to BlowFish because BlowFish are successful and they are, you know, supposedly these pioneers” don’t get fucking snicky about it, alright? Jesus, you should be grateful that these guys consider what you say something of use.. Me? I think the both of you are a pair of tosspots. You may make good games. Well, Blow makes...Blow makes a good game. Fez, I’m just not into at all. I’m just not into it. I respect people that do [enjoy it]. My own personal opinion, though? Having seen these wankers over and over again, bitch and moan--Phil Fish in particular, though.

Other Commentator: He does come across as whiny.

Beer: Whiny? He’s a fucking asshole most of the time. I’m an asshole, but that’s what I am, that’s what I do. I suck it up. But what I’m saying is that if you guys want the promotion the next time around on your Fez 2 or...what’s the follow-up to Braid, The Witless? Witless? Whoa! Yeah, c’mon. I would like to say to every outlet who got dismissed by BlowFish, fuck ‘em. Next time they have something to shill, say “yeah, not so much interested.” It is a two-way street, it’s a symbiotic relationship. You guys are out there, you have to suck it up.”

Game developers do not owe us anything, and I don’t owe them anything. It’s archaic to view the press-developer relationship as strictly symbiotic, and is indicative of an old view of the press-developer relationship. Do I often rely on developers to open up and allow me to tell their stories? Yes, but it’s an optional dance we do the tango to. No one is indebted to the other once that exchange has run its course, and that's the end of the road. If you're on a writer/journalist making this argument, that's really bad.

Anyway.

Fish caught wind of Beer’s comments, and exploded on Twitter.

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("Compare your life to mine and then kill yourself" is a Futurama quote, but that's a bit besides the point.)

That’s just a taste. Beer eventually responded, and offered Fish an opportunity to discuss his commentary on camera, but Fish wasn’t interested. Over the next hour or so, Fish continued to vocally express his displeasure, speaking more broadly about his feelings about people slinging crap his way, and the toll it takes on psyche. It ended with Fez II’s abrupt cancellation, despite having been announced only recently.

I spent the weekend largely disconnected from the Internet. Like Fish, I’m a public figure, someone who puts themselves out there and deals with what comes back--the good and the bad. I’m not proud of the fact that I’ve grown a thick enough skin to deal with rape threats targeted at my wife simply because I’ve had the audacity to talk about sexism in video games. Nor am I proud of being able to withstand pot shots from anonymous jerks about my deceased father. These are not traits that will ever be mentioned in my resume.

We all handle criticism, especially the vitriolic kind, differently. I stopped responding to jerks, and ask people to come in my direction through email, private messages, or questions over Tumblr. Over time, it's produced excellent results, but not pulling the trigger and snarking back at a jerk is hard. Vocal game designer Hideki Kamiya tells people to fuck off. Fish responded by yelling, stirring the pot, and unironically latching himself to a photo of known troller (he probably would have hated that term) and comedian Andy Kaufman.

Some of his comments are indefensible, and some, I suspect, he wishes he could take back.

But I know the good of the Internet, too, and I wish Fish had, either, seen more of it or reminded himself of what it produces. I’ve had my moments with the Giant Bomb community, but so much has been tremendous.

I mean, look at this stuff.

When my father passed, the Giant Bomb community started a thread with well wishes about my work and anonymous comments about my father, a person none of them had ever met. I kept that thread bookmarked on my phone during the first week of my father’s passing, and would often head into the bathroom, page through the thread, not really reading anything, and cry. It was a showing of genuine compassion by a group of people who only knew me from what I put out there. When I needed them, they had my back.

And that's to say nothing of how we pulled together for during the passing of the irreplaceable Ryan Davis.

Whenever someone gets under my skin, I reach into my bag. Tucked into a pocket are a series of letters, private thoughts from people who have reached out over the years, thanking me for one thing or another that I've been involved in. Most of them bring a tear to my eye, and each reminds me why I'm still doing this.

99% of the Internet has been nothing but nice to me, even when it’s a backhanded compliment. It’s easy to focus on that 1%. That 1% is vile, hateful, spiteful, jealous, mean, and would likely be as venomous in a public place as they are with a badge of anonymity. Many are probably teenagers who will grow up and learn to regret their ignorant actions, but some of them aren’t, and those are the people who scare me the most. But I can’t spend my day worrying about the 1%. I wake up every day trying to make the other 99% happy.

I hope I’m doing an okay job of that.

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Fez was a shitty game and Phil has been nothing but an asshole. Suck my dick, choke on it.

Could you give me 10 examples of Phil Fish being an asshole? Since he was "nothing but" this should be really easy for you.

Could ANYBODY do this? Because goddamn, I think there's only evidence that the guy just has no filter and doesn't know how to mince words. Hey, maybe he can't help it, or maybe it's a legitimate problem for him. And he handles these situations poorly but it doesn't make him the Satan of video games or some shit and CERTAINLY doesn't make any of the dogpiling on him valid.

You come off sounding like more of an asshole than he does.

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Personally I greatly respect Beer for saying what many of us have been thinking. Fish is an incredibly pretentious hipster. He doesn't understand the meaning of the word "humble" and thinks he's god's gift to the indie scene. The fact that he threw this little temper tantrum shows me that Beer is correct. Fish is a tosspot. It's okay for him to act like an asshole on twitter to his own fans, call them ingrates, tell people to choke on his dick and say Japanese games are crap, but calling him a hipster and expressing what everyone else thinks about him is too far? Please. I'm glad Fez 2 is cancelled.

Even if you don't like the guy, why be glad a game is cancelled? If you don't like it, or the creator, don't play it. Why not allow the people that don't care about Fish's personal life to have fun with a game? That just seems equally childish, if you ask me.

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Phil is the internet's version of Andy Kaufman.

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I liked fez as much as the next guy, but sometimes the person behind the product matters.

Phil fish has never acted like a professional. He has made one commercially successful game and he proved that he's willing to bitch and moan publicly when things don't go his way. He acts like a misbehaved child and in turn gets all the hatred of the Internet. I don't know if I would go as far as to say he deserves all of it, but he definitely deserves some. He wants to trash talk people every chance he gets but when someone says something back, he throws a temper tantrum? That's not the way the world works.

I knew patrick would try to spin the quote being from futurama. That didnt need mentioning because the 99% doesn't know that and it was not said as some fun call back to that show. That is a despicable thing to say. There is no defending someone who would say that to another human being.

At the end of the day, Phil fish publicly acts like a piece of trash. Patrick chooses to defend him because patrick is on the indie defense force. That's great, but I'm not ever going to like someone who says "your games suck" to a fellow developer at a public event while referring to the entire nation of Japan.

We all complain about evil activision and them milking COD to death and being terrible. I think people like Phil fish are the exact same but on the other end of the spectrum. Pretentious hipsters who think their games are more than what they really are. We need more people like Phil fish in games like we need another call of duty game every year.

Good riddance.

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So it looks like GT may have taken down the IW episode this all spewed from, so here's another link to it, in case any of you are interested in seeing Marcus say these things toward "Blowfish."

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This is easily the best, most well thought out article about this whole shitshow I've seen yet. Thank you Patrick.

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@sanity said:

Great read, i think people treat Fish like shit because hes a easy target, hes going to lash out and its going to create a story. Its a shame, but the best thing he could do for himself is just ignore those people.

I remember a teacher in school telling me once that throwing a well placed brick at the right person could help make a career just as easy as building one yourself, and i think that's largely the case here.

Or because he is just an asshole that deserves it.

He may well be an arsehole - he doesn't deserve it though. No-one does.

So, as a disclaimer I don't know much about either of the two parties involved in this; I ain't played Fez and I haven't delved into the online shenanigans of Phil Fish, and I've seen like a few minutes of an "Annoyed Gamer" video and dismissed his style as one which I don't like.

But; when someone acts like a dick, it does not give you carte-blanche to act like a dick back, and this goes both ways. Both parties here are clearly in the wrong. If the Annoyed Gamer thinks he's got the right to demand interviews and verbally slag off someone because they've acted like a dick in the past, then he's wrong. If Phil Fish thinks he's got the right to fly off the handle because some guy with an online video series is telling him off, then he's wrong.

There is such a thing as rising above it, and it should be encouraged.

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I have to side with Beer on this one as he seems to have a point, both Fish & Blow could have just said something like "sorry I don't know the details involved", yet they decided to be douches about it.

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I just like video games and wish people would be nice to each other. Doesn't seem like too much to ask. For the Internet, it sometimes is. :(

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Beer's little rant about "You won't talk to me? Then I won't talk about your games." is one of the shittiest fucking things I've seen this week...

What a self-important piece of shit. Actually, that applies to both of them.

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@deegee said:

@rmack said:

Nice article about yourself, Patrick. Could you write one about Phil now?

This is exactly my response when I read this.

He followed an excellent form: presenting the story and then offering personal insight into it. This was never meant to be a journalistic piece. There's already a well-traveled and comprehensive thread on the topic.

EDIT: And, I think Klepek receives nearly as much hatred even more undeservedly than Fish, so he's in an ideal position to comment on it.

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Anybody who calls themselves "The (synonym for being displeased) Gamer" or something along those lines just sounds like a jackass and Beer just seems to prove me right. Why respect a man like that, why waste any of your time over a man who self proclaims that he's an asshole. I'm not a fan of Fish and I don't think either side of this is anything but fucking stupid but jesus christ it'd be nice if the internet realized they shouldn't be listening to some people.

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What a baby. Go take your ball and go home then, while superior game developers continue to do their thing without drama involved.

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Came here to read about Fez II, ended up being reminded that @patrickklepek is a boss.

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People are letting Marcus off the hook for being a total bully because they don't like Fish. It's annoying.

I’m an asshole, but that’s what I am, that’s what I do.

JUST BECAUSE YOU OWN UP TO BEING AN ASSHOLE DOES NOT MAKE YOU IMMUNE TO CRITICISM FOR BEING AN ASSHOLE. People should be held accountable for what they say, regardless of what they preface it with. If you plead guilty to murder, you're still going to jail. And you can't attack two people for no reason with minimal information and expect to get off scott-free. Unless one of those people in Phil Fish, in which case you'll be called a hero for being a uniformed bully.

It is a two-way street, it’s a symbiotic relationship.

Nope. Not even close. Journalism does not work that way, it never has, and it never will. Gaming sites are meant to serve the people. Game creators have no obligation to play along, especially if you want them to comment on stuff they don't feel comfortable talking about yet.

Marcus has gotten away with his "Annoyed Gamer" thing for years, mostly because he was attacking giant targets like EA, but he crossed the line here. He attacked two people who had no way of responding at the time. He talked about something he had no business talking about. As someone's whose been bullied in the past, it disturbs me to see so many people (who I imagine were also bullied in some capacity) let him off the hook because one of his targets said some nasty things about Japanese video games over a year ago.

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Don't worry Patrick, 99% of what you do is pretty amazing work ;) much appreciation from my side that's for sure.

As for Phil Fish.. He comes across as a hot head, but I won't judge. I don't know him personally, he could be going through some personal stuff for all I know.

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why do people hate phil fish so much? what bad about him? he just makes games and is very vocal about his opinions

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I think Beer deserves some pain just for calling indie a genre.

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Patrick, you're alright.

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BlowFish I like that.

Press-developer relationship stuff aside, Fish was too thin skinned given his track record in the industry.

Still Beers does express a sentiment about indie game devs like BlowFish that I agree with - they act too good for their position and quite snobbish. "You’re successful game designers, you’re indie game designers--hurrah, good for you, you fucking hipsters". Hipsters is right. There is such a lack of humility and humbleness compared to the friendly indie game devs I have met, that I think BlowFish don't deserve to be the defacto spokespeople of indie devs only because they are such outspoken elitist auteurs.

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Sucks about Fez 2 for now, but yeah, hopefully this just means Fish feeling better and uncancelling it, moving back and working on it away from the Internet.

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love ya scoops

great write up

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Patrick, I'm one of the users who generally dislikes your involvement with the site and would prefer you weren't a part of it. However, I'm sorry to learn that you've received hateful and threatening messages. There is no excuse for such behavior.

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@paisan13 said:

A bit one sided this was, yes?

Phil Fish is an asshole, and I'm glad he's gone. Of course thats not true, he'll be back in a month or two, cause theres paper to earn. Fish told Beer, a guy that has on the air talked about hes depressions and about trying to take hes own life, to kill himself, and i don't care if its from Futurama, its disgusting.

Now Beer is no quire-boy, but most of what he says is valid, he may be bullish, but the truth is that Phil Fish usually jumps at an opportunity to talk to anyone, the press, fans, podcasters, v-loggers, whoever wants to listen to hes opinions, but this time he wont say a word?

Sorry to be that guy, but this one just stood out a little too much. It's choir-boy.


The problem raised here is that Marcus Beer expects/ demands that Phil Fish pays attention and answers the press when they question them. As he said, a two-way symbiotic street. Obviously from this situation both Jon Blow and Phil Fish refused to answer until clarification or just not at all. If they say no, they don't have to answer any of the questions. Both parties have right of refusal. I'm 100% certain that Giant Bomb refuses game developers when they want to have press for them and vice versa. In this situation in comes Marcus Beer who lambasts both Blow and Fish for not answering when they they did not want to or did not have further clarification. He further stirs the pot by personally attacking Blow and Fish, which of course is going to get some kind of reaction.

The point here I making, is that it doesn't matter if Phil Fish usually jumps at an opportunity to talk. This time he refused which I'm also certain that he refuses a lot of talks, interviews as well. Beer criticizing and attacking Phil Fish for not commenting on X1 indie policy before Fish and Blow knew what it exactly was is pretty dumb. Fish's Futurama quote also pretty dumb and in poor taste, but hey how many times do you think Marcus Beer and Fish himself get told to die? It's not a justification, just saying.

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@paisan13 said:

A bit one sided this was, yes?

Phil Fish is an asshole, and I'm glad he's gone. Of course thats not true, he'll be back in a month or two, cause theres paper to earn. Fish told Beer, a guy that has on the air talked about hes depressions and about trying to take hes own life, to kill himself, and i don't care if its from Futurama, its disgusting.

Now Beer is no quire-boy, but most of what he says is valid, he may be bullish, but the truth is that Phil Fish usually jumps at an opportunity to talk to anyone, the press, fans, podcasters, v-loggers, whoever wants to listen to hes opinions, but this time he wont say a word?

Stop defending this asshole, he did one good game, and after that said so much stupid shit that even Notch can hang on, and Notch loves hes Twitter account.

On the other hand, don't defend Marcus Beer either, hes doing hes job. But f**k defending telling Beer to kill himself just because it's a reference to Futurama, thats just idiotic and pathetic, shame on you.

If Beer's gonna go around calling people names and telling people off, then he better be prepared for the same. You can't act like a bully then cry depression anytime someone returns the favor.

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I try to live my life by the old sayings, "Treat others the way you want to be treated." and, "If you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all." It doesn't always work out, but typically it's fine. No matter your opinion on Phil Fish, it doesn't make it right to be down right evil to the guy.

When someone is a dick to me I typically just walk away from the situation, lost some friends, but kept better ones this way. Phil and those being dicks to him need to just step back for a minute and ask themselves if calling someone names is worth their time. All that results when two or more people decide to be dicks to one another is a circle jerk of dickish behavior that only escalates.

In my opinion the endless internet crusades of making people feel or look bad need to stop, because in the end they make us all look like a bunch of dicks.

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From what I've seen of him, Phil Fish seems like a manic-depressive person who tends to lash out because he has difficulty acclimating himself to the situation that he's in. That doesn't excuse any of his behaviour (whether or not you believe it needs excusing), but he certainly doesn't come off as 'mean' to me; he seems to be sad more than anything.

I'm sorry to see that he has so much trouble dealing with the media side of game development as I think he's got a great talent and desire for making games, which is all I really care about when it comes to developers.

I hope Fez II isn't cancelled permanently, but I also believe that Mr. Fish won't stay away from making games for too long whether it's a sequel to Fez or not.

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@draxyle said:

@tomservo50 said:

Every time I read people complain about how awful Phil Fish is, I keep on wondering if I missed something. Was he secretly in charge of Team Bondi during development of "L.A. Noire" or something?

I do apologize for the length of this, but wanted to write down some thoughts. Fish seems like he's kind of a dick at times. So what? Why is there the constant need to critique his behaviour and actions? (and it seems like every time he does put his foot in his mouth, his statements are then exaggerated. I mean, calling an over-generalized but valid critique of modern Japanese games as being racist? Come on.)

Now if he ends up sexually harassing female attendees at the next GDC, or his next game turns out to be a Nazi-apologetic screed against the Elders of Zion, or he abuses his employees during the development of his next game, then yes, there will be ample grounds to attack him. But calling him out for being a "hipster" or "arrogant"? Who cares.

Marcus Beer's comments reminded me of the worst types of journalists in sports, who get pissy about a player who doesn't chat much with the press and then will rag on them constantly or hold off voting a player into the Hall of Fame because of some twisted "moral" reasons that the player wasn't a good person. I don't really care if a player is an asshole, as long as he performs on the field. But if he racks up a bunch of DUIs, hits his wife (hey there Brett Myers), rapes a woman (F U Josh Lueke), kills someone (kinda depressing how many American football players I could mention here), etc., then I can sit in moral judgement because these individuals deserve to be judged on their failings, moral and otherwise. There is a genuine difference between assholes and morally reprehensible individuals, and calling out the former is quite tiresome.

Yea, that's definitely what gets me too. What has Phil Fish actually done wrong? The worst thing you could say about him is that he's vocally antagonistic, but in some respects it's nice to see someone in the industry who's brutally honest about their feelings. I feel like a lot of people who hate Phil only know him through a game of "telephone" and only hear a distorted representation of his character; only the negative is what makes it to the front page of news sites after all.

Phil is no saint, but there are actual bad people in the industry that are getting a fraction of the attention that he does.

Yeah, both of these posts echo my thoughts on the issue as well.

It's always seemed to me like Phil Fish used twitter as a sort of stream of consciousness to just post whatever is on his mind at the time. While that's certainly not going to make him come off as professional, I hardly see a reason to consider it invalid or asshole-ish or even remotely worth hating him over. Almost everything vitriolic that he says is defensive/responsive to people who obviously dislike him; it's not like he does what Beer did and goes out of his way to be a jerk to other people. "Cancelling" Fez 2 comes across as somewhat immature, but since we all expect he'll probably be back, who cares? Oh no, a person showed human emotion on the internet, let's fucking crucify them. Bleh.

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@syed117 said:

I liked fez as much as the next guy, but sometimes the person behind the product matters.

Phil fish has never acted like a professional. He has made one commercially successful game and he proved that he's willing to bitch and moan publicly when things don't go his way. He acts like a misbehaved child and in turn gets all the hatred of the Internet. I don't know if I would go as far as to say he deserves all of it, but he definitely deserves some. He wants to trash talk people every chance he gets but when someone says something back, he throws a temper tantrum? That's not the way the world works.

I knew patrick would try to spin the quote being from futurama. That didnt need mentioning because the 99% doesn't know that and it was not said as some fun call back to that show. That is a despicable thing to say. There is no defending someone who would say that to another human being.

At the end of the day, Phil fish publicly acts like a piece of trash. Patrick chooses to defend him because Patrick is on the indie defense force. That's great, but I'm not ever going to like someone who says "your games suck" to a fellow developer at a public event while referring to the entire nation of Japan.

We all complains about evil activision and them milking COD to death and being terrible. I think people like Phil fish are the exact same but on the other end of the spectrum. Pretentious hipsters who think their games are more than what they really are. We need more people like Phil fish in games like we need another call of duty game every year.

Good riddance.

This. All of this.

Now, I don't know Phil Fish personally. He may be a wonderful person in private. But absolutely nothing about his pubic presentation suggests that. He's one of those miserable people that thinks they're so amazing they should be able to say whatever they want, but nobody should be allowed to call them on it.

That's my problem with the "indie gaming scene" in a nutshell. There are some real gems there but all too often they're wrapped around the planet-sized egos of their creators.

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I think a lot of people should consider the idea of hundreds of people criticising everything you do and say, holding off-the-cuff things you said years ago against you, while you're meant to be working exclusively on a product a lot of people have already decided is going to be shit. That's the life Fish has been leading for a long time now, and while it's easy to claim "other people manage it", it's a little harder to try to put yourself in his shoes.

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You are, Scoops. You are.

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your coming along real nicely patrick, your writing whilst smart and coherent is also very well articulated.

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You're awesome, Patrick. The 1% trolls have been, and always will be, wrong. For example: As a woman, I can't tell you what a relief seeing someone like you talking about sexism in games was. Especially since you always handle your articles--no matter the subject--with intelligence and grace. I never feel like you're talking down to anyone, and you're always trying to get better at what you do. That's rare, and it's great. While I can completely understand reacting the way that Fish did, I also know that approach often buys more trouble than it solves, especially with so many watchful eyes waiting and ready to jump at the chance to condemn. Anyway, I sincerely hope that you continue to find ways to cope with the strange, messy place that the internet can be, and keep bringing us kickass games coverage in the meantime. :)

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Keep it up Klepek. You're part of the crew and you did some amazing work in the past, be it articles, video things or contributions to the podcast. I hope you are able to continue to look at the posts that show support for you or criticise you in a constructive manner. Fuck the rest.

As for Phil Fish, he seemed like the person who just couldn't really handle his public image the right way. This leads to those kinds of discussions and if that's too much for him, then he shouldn't do what he does as a developer. It may sound harsh but you can't shut the Internet out anymore if you're cruising around on Twitter or whatnot. It's a shame that there might not be a Fez 2 but I won't shed a tear about it.

I like some stuff that Beer does but he goes overboard sometimes and I don't think that's necessary. I don't really like those "look at how fucking angry I am about videogames grrrrrr" shows either but it seems like it's pretty popular. I guess.

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Both of them are grade A assholes. At least Fish created Fez though.

P.S. Patrick, you're doing a great job at making the 99% happy.

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Both seem like complete assholes, Fish raging cause he's getting trolled by some other asshole, who had the sole intention of making Fish angry. Never heard of Beer, but he 'won' here. Fish seems like a whiny child. Make Fez 2, but don't come back to the internet.

EDIT: Also, I don't care if it was from Futurama, telling someone to kill themselves is not on. It's not the same as calling someone a fucking hipster

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Turn off comments.

Oh no, how dare people say what they think about someone you like, CENSOR THEM IMMEDIATELY!

Fish was a tumor of the industry, glad he's gone.

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Say what you will about Phil Fish, but I am super pissed at assholes like this AnnoyedGamer guy who go around like they're the kings of the world, criticizing others for the very things they are doing right there as they talk. Thanks to idiots like him, I'm not getting the sequel to a game I quite enjoyed, and I think that's more damaging to the games industry than any bitching and moaning about quotes for the press.

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Great article Patrick, it's sad to see GT becoming more and more like the videogame equivelant of Fox News with Beer at the front, I really like some of their stuff although Fish saying Beer is pathetic and sad, then cancelling his game as a result of something Beer said is more than a little silly.

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Hey Patrick, I agree with your stance 100%. No side of this industry is beholden to the other.

I think everyone should just realize that this was just something that escalated needlessly, like on some petty High School shit.

For Phil, this was probably the straw that broke the camel's back in terms of all the negativity he's gotten. Like you I think he'll still do Fez II. But man, if he's as stressed as those tweets lead me to believe, that dude should take a month or two for himself to let go of all that stress.

Marcus Beer on the other hand hopefully learned the idea of knowing when to hold back after making a statement or opinion. I'm not saying he shouldn't have made the statement, but to harp on it and outright insult people just because they don't want to speak on something isn't the way to go about it.

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@bgrngod said:

Beer is an asshole who was hoping that he would get a strong reaction. He's apparently always on the attack with his "brand" of assholishness.

Fish is an asshole who should have been able to identify that he was getting trolled. His assholery at least seems defensive when it comes out.

Regardless of my appreciation for Fez as a game, I hope Fish does change his mind and come back to doing something he is clearly very passionate about. I don't always care much for what individuals are passionate about, but always have an appreciation for people that ARE passionate about something. Fish has that in spades. The industry/community is better for having a guy like Fish as part of it, regardless of whether people hate him or like him.

Most of Beer's thoughts on games and the game industry are shallow and wrong-headed. I don't think he believes half of the things that come out of his mouth, either. He was given a platform to be a provocateur and dive traffic, and from what I have seen he does a pretty good job of that. It's his mastery of the social media microphone that makes him interesting to me, and on the Xbox One stuff and now with Mr. Fish he certainly accomplished the kind of "populist" controversy he is paid to stir up.

@patrickklepek is a journalist and commentator I do not always agree with, but who can always be trusted to be forthright and honest. Marcus Beer is a wrestling villain. There is a place for both of these types in industry coverage, but they are not comparable roles. What Patrick does is much more thoughtful and fair.

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Beer was attacking the fact that BlowFish were whining about the press asking for comments, not that they refused to comment. I think people turn too fast in hindsight when something big like this happens but when I look at what Beer was saying, I totally agree that BlowFish should be grateful that these journalists think their opinions matter instead of crying about it. If they don't want to comment, just say it instead of how terrible gaming journalists are. Also, if you whine and moan about something, don't expect the people who you whined about to sit there and just take it. Fish got exactly what he deserved and since he's a drama queen, does what he always does and flew way off the handle, and cancelled a game which had nothing to do with any of this.

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Turn off comments.

Oh no, how dare people say what they think about someone you like, CENSOR THEM IMMEDIATELY!

Fish was a tumor of the industry, glad he's gone.

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Not a fan of the way that Fish handled the situation. He's a great game designer, but perhaps keeping his cool is not one of his strong suits.

Annoying Gamer dude seems like an ass. Anybody that describes themselves as an asshole I do not want any part of. From what I read in the article it seems like he wants to be shocking and controversial just for the attention of it. And he seems super clever and original with putting BlowFish together (slow clap).

I hope that Patrick is right. I hope Phil puts out Fez II, because I love Fez. I will not be brokenhearted about it if he doesn't though. Plenty of great "Indie" development going on out there.

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This was supposed to be a paragraph long, oops.

The thing that this comes down to for me is that Marcus Beer is essentially doing a Charlie Brooker impression, meanwhile Jonathan Blow is responsible for Braid, and Phil Fish is responsible for Fez, two games that I found profound levels of enjoyment in.

Yeah, Phil Fish has said some shit he shouldn't have said on the internet, and sometimes he acts like a tosspot. And yeah, I get that nobody on the internet does that but Phil Fish so obviously we have to draw attention to that. And yeah, obviously it's impossible to enjoy a game without picturing in your mind the twitter feed of its primary creator. And yeah, I get that the only way to respond to someone like this is to do the one thing that will encourage them to repeat this behaviour... Okay, that bit's done now, I think you get my point.

In this incident Beer's point doesn't seem especially valid to me, but more than that, his stance on Phil Fish ("he's a fucking asshole") is ludicrously unhelpful. He wanted Fish to come out and react like he always does. Of course he did. And then all he has to do is sit back and watch Fish go into meltdown, and he can act rationally and calmly in response and voila, the Phil Fish is an asshole story gets perpetuated, while Marcus Beer hiding behind his Annoyed Gamer tag can say "It's part of my online persona". It's so obviously calculated.

Comedians have been doing this for years, but normally the target is a politician or celebrity of some major influence. It's all about applying pressure upwards. You can mock Donald Trump because he's Donald Trump. Here the target is one guy who struggled for a huge portion of his life to make a well-received game, who, while successful is hardly in a secure financial position, in the early stages of development on another ambitious project. What is the value of attacking Phil Fish? Are we somehow to believe if he gets poked enough he's going to back down and stop being Phil Fish? No, of course he isn't.

If I were Phil Fish, I'd have quit before Fez came out, which would have sucked. But he made it to that finish line, a victory that I think vindicates his hubris. And yet still, every time Fish opens his mouth on any subject, or any time his game is even mentioned in public, the comments are filled with personal abuse about the man's character. And it's the internet so if you make one transgression, that is never forgotten. Everything he ever did from that point forward was twisted to support the narrative that he's a petulant child.

It's a self-fulfilling prophecy, and the way to escape that? Get out while you can. I hope Fez II comes out. I hope Phil Fish makes more games. But this whole thing reminds me of George Lucas talking about the future of Star Wars before the whole Disney thing:

"Why would I make any more when everybody yells at you all the time and says what a terrible person you are?"

George Lucas

Why make Fez II, when every piece of media coverage from now until its release, and beyond, will be accompanied by a ceaseless and disproportionate torrent of hatred and abuse?

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Putting your self out their is hard, and while i disagree that being in a ''relationship'' with a games journalist is symbiotic, for example: Brad Mir, John Drake, just to name a few. It is a relationship, and journalists have to know when they are being broken up with, and when someone gets pissed at you for asking them a question, that's them braking up with you. Just because Natalie Portman played a stripper in a movie doesn't mean I should call her up and ask her about strippers. She would probably be pissed.